DominicCobb

Jeebus said:

Interesting article indeed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/02/01/how-much-coverage-did-cnn-actually-devote-to-clintons-emails-heres-the-data/?utm_term=.002e715ef333

Yes because the one thing the election was missing was more talk about Clinton’s emails.

NeverarGreat said:

It’s intended to be a surprise to the Resistance, certainly. But remember, the briefing scene comes directly after Hux’s psychotic rant against the Republic and the senate in particular. So in juxtaposing two conflicting pieces of information, the audience will hopefully understand that the Republic is always the true target, with the Resistance deliberately misinformed so as to lull the Republic into a false sense of security.

I just think it would play as confusing when watching, considering no one acknowledges the disconnect.

As for the problem with blowing up the Starkiller, I assumed that it would have multiple uses after absorbing the star, it is logical to destroy the planet. Also, nobody has called off the Resistance attack, and why would they? Even if the planet had no further shots to fire, there is still a massive amount of FO equipment there.

I would assume the same (though I seem to recall Hal seeing it in his version as a one and done), which is why the firing again solution should work. Without it, the immediacy of the attack is gone. It’s just not like Star Wars to have aimlessness like that.

This isn’t a great comparison for a number of reasons, but imagine the original Star Wars if they had already destroyed Yavin when Luke started his trench run. Sure, logically he’d still have plenty reason to destroy the station, but imagine how much tension would be zapped out of it.

NeverarGreat said:

There may be a way to easily fix this, however. During the Resistance briefing scene, simply re-insert the line from Leia that ‘our system is the target’ (eliminate ‘next’, obviously). This way, the Republic will assume that the First Order means only to destroy Leia and the Resistance, a group that the Republic dislikes anyway. Then we could record a line that is said by someone in the crowd to the effect of ‘The Republic won’t help us!’, and then re-insert C-3PO’s line: ‘Without the Republic fleet, we’re done for!’.

I’m not sure I follow. If we are to believe that the Resistance is the target, won’t it be confusing when they turn up fine but the Republic is demolished?

This does actually reminds me of a suggestion that I had in mind when I watched the Restructured version. One of my biggest sticking points with the restructure is that when the base succeeds in firing which pretty much kills any stakes and tension the rest of the non-Kylo Ren climax has. The X-Wing battle/trench run already feels a bit like window dressing in the theatrical, and here it’s nigh pointless. What’s it supposed to be, you destroyed our planet so now we destroy yours? I don’t know, doesn’t sit right with me as something the heroes in a Star Wars movie would do. Personally, I think that the implication should be that, after they harness the power of the sun, they have an undetermined number of shots. So right after the Hosnian system is destroyed, SKB sets it’s next target as the Resistance system (D’Qar is it?). That way you keep the high stakes of the trench run (if anything higher stakes as we’ve just very recently seen what the SKB is capable of) and it feels like they’ve accomplished something beyond just saving Rey.

Poe Dameron also spends a couple scenes with blood all over his face.

Weird random childhood memory: I used to think it was Yoda’s birthday in ROTJ.

Well, no. Kylo Ren does bleed in the film (in the same scene even), just not from that wound.

Jetrell Fo said:

Handman said:

The Democrats are not doing well, they didn’t show up to the hearings for Trump’s nominees so the committee rules were suspended to allow them to continue without the party, and now the Senate will revoke the filibuster for the Supreme Court nomination.

If Dems continue to be a no-show, we’ll effectively end up in a one-party system fast.

I just remember Dominic saying that it was only the Republican’s who were making it all about “sides” and I did not agree. I certainly don’t relish being right at least some of the time but it’s been more than obvious that it is happening. People fear change but change is here and we either go down complaining or we find a way to make it positive for everyone as best we can.

Why do I even bother

Tobar said:

You guys forget how much of a special case Star Wars is. The dvds for things like Droids and the Ewok films go for hundreds of dollars on the second hand market.

A boxset packed with special features for the OUT? They could and probably would set the price in the hundreds.

Yeah but before those went out of print I was seeing them in the $5 bin at Walmart.

I got the initial Blu-ray release day one at Target for $70. Doubt a set with less movies would go for more (even if we knew it was better). 4K would change things, but not that much.

These are Star Wars movies, were talking about let’s not get crazy. I don’t even know if I’d feel comfortable spending <$40 on an OOT set, and I’m cheap as fuck.

Wazzles said:

TV’s Frink said:

Well I feel old now.

It was the second movie I saw in theaters. I was 6.

I was 3. First movie I saw in theaters twice.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Too soon

stealthboy said:

I’m praying for no prequel references. That’s all. I honestly don’t care about anything else.

Johnson is a noted prequel devil’s advocate. There’s little chance he’ll litter the film with references, but if the Jedi is to be a large part of it (and at this point that’s probably a safe assumption), then one can expect a passing reference or two to the old Jedi order. And if that’s the case, there’s no way it won’t align with what’s in the prequels.

So yeah, don’t expect the film to be devoid of PT references, though I doubt there’ll be too many more than in TFA.

NeverarGreat said:

Humby said:

I think ‘The Last Jedi’ refers to Luke abandoning the conceptual ideals of the Jedi, which is what led to their downfall in the first place (and possibly what led to his failure with Ben and the loss of his students).

Luke will be the Last Jedi because he abandons those ideals when he trains Rey. Rey’s training will embrace both the dark and the light, but only in an attempt to do what is right and just. We saw him sort of embrace that in ROTJ, and maybe that scared him, but after losing all of his students and reexamineing the ideals of past Jedi, he realizes that suppressing the dark side isn’t the best way to go. So he teaches Rey to embrace love, and to accept possesion and attachment as a natural part of life and the force.

So he, in the end, truly is the last Jedi. That would be a good way to both acknowledge the prequels, but also distance itself from them.

But I do think he will at least make it to Episode IX

If this is how it shakes out, Ep 8 may become one of my favorite Star Wars films. I just hope we’re not building a brilliant movie in our heads only to find out that there’s nothing more to it than Luke deciding not to train Rey. Keep those expectations low!

“Expectations low” is a bad way of looking at it. Realize that if the film does something other than what you expected, that it doesn’t mean that something is automatically worse, just different.

Doesn’t look like it to me.

TV’s Frink said:

When I see something like this, I can’t help but wonder if we should just go by popular vote.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/under-a-new-system-clinton-could-have-won-the-popular-vote-by-5-points-and-still-lost/

This would be a disaster. Republicans have already stolen the White House and Congress from the majority of Americans thanks to gerrymandering and uneven political weight given to less populace states in the Senate and electoral college. This would be the death knell to any sort of opposition.

Tyrphanax said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I don’t think that anyone should kid themselves by saying that people are willing to blow themselves up and kill innocent men, women, and children purely because a small number of people in the United States are mean to them. If we look at instances in history where groups of people were genuinely oppressed in Western countries, they didn’t result in the mass-murder of unarmed civilians. Black people before the Civil Right Movement and Jews under Nazi Germany to say the least. I hate this justification of terrorism. It’s true that the invasion of Iraq was a disaster and it upset the balance of power, but Iraq under Sadaam Hussein was just as much of a shit hole as it is now, except the murder is coming from sectarian conflict instead of a violent dictator.

I think you also missed the point. The point is not to justify or say “this is the only reason people become terrorists,” the point is that it sure doesn’t help, does it? Every time someone is an openly racist prick, it makes radicalization that much easier when you feel spurned, hated, and isolated. It makes justifying violence that much easier when you feel spurned, hated, and isolated. When you’re a refugee or immigrant or minority or a white dude or anybody in a community that supports and helps and accepts and loves you, you’re not going to be as likely to want to blow them up.

There’s a great Invisibilia episode about this sort of thing.
https://www.npr.org/player/embed/485602601/486026312

moviefreakedmind said:

I don’t think that anyone should kid themselves by saying that people are willing to blow themselves up and kill innocent men, women, and children purely because a small number of people in the United States are mean to them. If we look at instances in history where groups of people were genuinely oppressed in Western countries, they didn’t result in the mass-murder of unarmed civilians. Black people before the Civil Right Movement and Jews under Nazi Germany to say the least. I hate this justification of terrorism. It’s true that the invasion of Iraq was a disaster and it upset the balance of power, but Iraq under Sadaam Hussein was just as much of a shit hole as it is now, except the murder is coming from sectarian conflict instead of a violent dictator.

It’s not a “justification,” it’s simply a fact that it is being used by terrorists to recruit. They have a narrative that America is evil, and when people here are Islamophobic, or when our country invades and bombs their country, it only feeds into that narrative.

Come on Possessed. Don’t be silly. I understand things are tough for you now and you’re tired of it, but that doesn’t mean the only solution is to end everything.

I know you thought treatment for your alcoholism was unnecessarily costly, but did you ever get treatment for your depression? A good person to talk to and depression meds can really help with these things. If you already tried, maybe you just weren’t talking to the right person or using the right meds. I know it can be hard to be motivated mentally to even want to get better, but just know that getting help could completely change your perspective.

If you really do feel like you want to leave your life behind, have you ever considered doing something that isn’t so permanent? If you’re really tired of where you’re at, why don’t you move away? Get a different job? Do something crazy? It’s a big world out there with a lot to offer. To think that the best option for your future is just death is honestly pretty naive.

I’d just say, consider the fact that there’s absolutely a scenario in which you twenty years from now are loving life and are thankful your younger self didn’t let his depression and alcoholism make his decisions for him.

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

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DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Yes let’s stop believing all the countless press institutions that have stood for generations on the principle of objective reporting and start listening to random YouTube guys instead! They’re the ones who really know what’s up.

The person whose video it was was not the point of the post. But of course, deflect if you must, the fact is these press institutions you revere bow to dollar bills. You and I do not factor in to that unless we’re watching and believing.

Why is it so difficult for some of you to use your own brains instead of letting all these news outlets feed you what you believe to be the god’s honest truth just because it caters to your emotional opinion?

Maybe frievous is right, maybe this country is going to hell in a handbasket, I’m glad I don’t count on that ride to be happy.

You should really listen to your own advice.

What matters is simply the facts. I’m sorry your side has tricked you into believing otherwise.

There is no side, we are Americans. Where did you even learn that?

Yes, we are. But your side feels the need to keep making it about “sides” even when things like decent American principles are at stake.

It is not about sides and I wish you’d stop saying “my side”.

It absolutely shouldn’t be about sides but unfortunately that’s what’s being pushed from the right.

This would indicate that the “left” is pushing it as well, correct?

It’s no secret that the country is becoming more polarized. But my point was that the right is choosing to make bipartisan issues partisan. When things like basic American principles are at stake, sides shouldn’t factor into it, and yet that’s exactly what’s happening on the right.

Jeebus said:

He’s smarter than I thought.

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Yes let’s stop believing all the countless press institutions that have stood for generations on the principle of objective reporting and start listening to random YouTube guys instead! They’re the ones who really know what’s up.

The person whose video it was was not the point of the post. But of course, deflect if you must, the fact is these press institutions you revere bow to dollar bills. You and I do not factor in to that unless we’re watching and believing.

Why is it so difficult for some of you to use your own brains instead of letting all these news outlets feed you what you believe to be the god’s honest truth just because it caters to your emotional opinion?

Maybe frievous is right, maybe this country is going to hell in a handbasket, I’m glad I don’t count on that ride to be happy.

You should really listen to your own advice.

What matters is simply the facts. I’m sorry your side has tricked you into believing otherwise.

There is no side, we are Americans. Where did you even learn that?

Yes, we are. But your side feels the need to keep making it about “sides” even when things like decent American principles are at stake.

It is not about sides and I wish you’d stop saying “my side”.

It absolutely shouldn’t be about sides but unfortunately that’s what’s being pushed from the right.

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Yes let’s stop believing all the countless press institutions that have stood for generations on the principle of objective reporting and start listening to random YouTube guys instead! They’re the ones who really know what’s up.

The person whose video it was was not the point of the post. But of course, deflect if you must, the fact is these press institutions you revere bow to dollar bills. You and I do not factor in to that unless we’re watching and believing.

Why is it so difficult for some of you to use your own brains instead of letting all these news outlets feed you what you believe to be the god’s honest truth just because it caters to your emotional opinion?

Maybe frievous is right, maybe this country is going to hell in a handbasket, I’m glad I don’t count on that ride to be happy.

You should really listen to your own advice.

What matters is simply the facts. I’m sorry your side has tricked you into believing otherwise.

There is no side, we are Americans. Where did you even learn that?

Yes, we are. But your side feels the need to keep making it about “sides” even when things like decent American principles are at stake.

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Yes let’s stop believing all the countless press institutions that have stood for generations on the principle of objective reporting and start listening to random YouTube guys instead! They’re the ones who really know what’s up.

The person whose video it was was not the point of the post. But of course, deflect if you must, the fact is these press institutions you revere bow to dollar bills. You and I do not factor in to that unless we’re watching and believing.

Why is it so difficult for some of you to use your own brains instead of letting all these news outlets feed you what you believe to be the god’s honest truth just because it caters to your emotional opinion?

Maybe frievous is right, maybe this country is going to hell in a handbasket, I’m glad I don’t count on that ride to be happy.

You should really listen to your own advice.

What matters is simply the facts. I’m sorry your side has tricked you into believing otherwise.

Yes let’s stop believing all the countless press institutions that have stood for generations on the principle of objective reporting and start listening to random YouTube guys instead! They’re the ones who really know what’s up.

imperialscum said:

DominicCobb said:

Galen didn’t construct the DS, only the laser.

The film suggests he was in charge of the whole thing, since Tarkin took over the control of the Death Star from him.

Krennic was in control, not Galen.