DominicCobb

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

I guess it depends on the nature of the rejection and how “persistent” the asker is.

Just because there’s no direct physical or psychological harm doesn’t make it okay though. Harassment doesn’t require those things. Consistent unwanted advances would qualify.

It depends on the type of advances and where they occur. Being annoying isn’t harassment; being an asshole isn’t even necessarily harassment.

It can be though.

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

I guess it depends on the nature of the rejection and how “persistent” the asker is.

Of course, it’s all situational. I think we get a little too carried away in modern times as to what’s appropriate behavior.

Just because there’s no direct physical or psychological harm doesn’t make it okay though. Harassment doesn’t require those things. Consistent unwanted advances would qualify.

Perhaps, again it depends on the situation.

It does, but I just think it’s important not to consider this type of behavior, in general, to be okay. There are cases where it can be (if the one being asked doesn’t mind), but it can easily be a very frustrating thing for the one being asked.

I have to say, honestly, that I have rejected more times than I’ve been rejected, and neither is very pleasant, but I really do think the former is worse, simply because you’re essentially telling someone you don’t like them. There’s a lot of things that go with that (it’s not just ‘no I don’t want to go on a date with you,’ it’s also ‘no, I don’t think it’s worth putting an effort into to trying to date’). Rejecting someone makes you feel like shit, and if they keep asking you because they think you’re wrong, you can end up with no choice but to explain to them why in more detail you don’t want to go out with them, which really sucks for both. Thankfully I haven’t had to deal with this sort of thing myself. As someone who likes being left alone when I want to be left alone, I don’t envy being in that situation.

I guess it depends on the nature of the rejection and how “persistent” the asker is.

Just because there’s no direct physical or psychological harm doesn’t make it okay though. Harassment doesn’t require those things. Consistent unwanted advances would qualify.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

The whole immigration debate is over-simplified. It’s so easy to lay it all on the undocumented worker - he/she broke the law. But the U.S. is totally complicit. There are enormous financial incentives for them to come, and for big agribusiness to hire them, and to maintain this as the status quo. Heck, it’s our nation’s breadbasket – and what politician is willing to incur the political fallout of rising food prices and angry big growers, by fixing a broken immigration system and stemming the steady stream of cheap labor that provides so much low-cost skilled farm labor?

People don’t realize how skilled these migrant workers are, and how much they get done for such low pay. They don’t just pick. They do the pruning, and care for the orchards. And just try picking grapes - you’ll be lucky to last one day (I know this first hand).

I hate seeing these struggling people used as political fodder. The politicians huff and puff, and act all big deporting some mother from the midwest, all to cheering followers who’ve been convinced they are the cause of all of our nation’s ills. All while doing nothing of substance. Why else do every one of our presidents end up granting amnesty to thousands of undocumented workers? It’s a sick game and the most unfortunate are the pawns, IMHO.

Agreed.

Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Or you could be like Nixon and ask the same person for a date for two years until they relent, in the classic screwball tradition. Only recommended for extraordinary circumstances.

This sort of thing is usually considered harassment.

In the 30s, it was romantic comedy.

I’m aware but that doesn’t make it okay, no matter what the quality of the film(s).

Handman said:

Or you could be like Nixon and ask the same person for a date for two years until they relent, in the classic screwball tradition. Only recommended for extraordinary circumstances.

This sort of thing is usually considered harassment.

I don’t see any point in arguing this with you any further.

Immigration laws are there for a reason, yes, and I agree with the reason. But breaking them is not so heinous a crime as murder or rape, or even assault or theft. Saying it’s their fault for being stigmatized is just blaming the victim. These people have lived a tough life. Do you think it was easy for them to leave their country and come here? Just because they broke the law doesn’t mean we should treat them like criminals. I would say that yes you are falling into a trap of rigidity of thought and making blanket judgements. I break the law nearly every day by jaywalking but that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be allowed to cross the street. And so why deportation can be such an overly harsh punishment. When I say these people are citizens of the land they call home, I mean just because they don’t have papers doesn’t mean they don’t live here. That woman who was deported has lived in America longer than I have. But she wasn’t as fortunate as I.

Hal 9000 said:

Humorous comparison between Rey and Luke: https://youtu.be/PE2at2Wo9sU

I would love to see a video that similarly misconstrues and ignores from the other way around.

PT references in TFA

• Tekka mentions “balance in the Force”
• Kylo Ren mentions clone army (though the concept of warring clones dates back to the original film)
• Maz mentions “the Sith” (though the word has been around SW lore since the 70s)
• Super debatable, but Kylo Ren’s hairstyle could be purposefully reminiscent of ROTS Anakin
• Ewan McGregor Obi-Wan voice cameo

PT references in RO

• Turbo tank (though this was an ESB concept)
• Jimmy Smitts as Bail Organa (thought the character has of course existed since the original)
• Genevieve O’Reilly as Mon Mothma (though the character is of course in ROTJ, and the actress played her in deleted scenes, not the actual film)
• Flashback on Coruscant (though the planet existed pre-PT)
• Vader’s castle on Mustafar (though this was also an ESB concept)

Bottom line, if you think one has more than the other (or that they are significant in either), you’re wrong.

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

I’m sure glad Trump is deporting all the violent criminals like this one, who put everyone’s life at risk.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/02/09/for-decades-immigration-authorities-gave-this-mother-a-pass-wednesday-when-she-checked-in-with-them-they-seized-her/?utm_term=.f82e59eeeeff

You know, it is not that I don’t want to show mercy and understanding and concern especially for her kids, but she was technically in the country illegally, yes? I don’t know what should be done in cases like this, I don’t want her split up from her kids. But I don’t think the fact that she was here illegally should just be forgotten. I think this is part of problem we have we when discuss this with the more conservative minded. It is like we want to just forget that she technically broke the law when she came into this country. Yes, she was not putting anyone life at risk, and she was peaceful. That should be fairly considered. I just don’t think the bit about her technically being here illegally should be forgotten though. (This should not be read to mean I think she should have been deported. I don’t know what should be done with cases like her’s and many others)

The solution is simple: a path to citizenship.

Perhaps. I am certainly open to that.

Deportation is just an absolute cruelty, there’s no other way around it.

It is really? When she is here illegally and the law says it is perfectly legal to deport here?

It is not an absolute cruelty in every case. But in this, and many others, it is. If you don’t think deporting a loving mother from her children is cruel, I don’t know how to explain it. The issue is (as always with everything) people make blanket statements and judgements with no regard for all the nuanced differences. Deportation might work for a real criminal, but if your only crime is seeking a better life for yourself, I think we need to reconsider if tearing apart a family for that is really the best solution.

How she got in shouldn’t matter -

I disagree. I think it does matter that she came here illegally.

In the scheme of things it really shouldn’t. She sought the American dream of a greater life. She did it outside the parameters of the law, but is that really so terrible a crime to complete dismiss her simple because of the current laws? Our laws are not infallible, and some are far worse than others, and just because you break them doesn’t make you a terrible person undeserving of a chance.

the laws here that don’t have statutes of limitations are heinous crimes and there isn’t anything heinous about what she did.

This isn’t about a statute of limitations. Deportation is not that same as arresting someone and charging them with a crime. Just because someone that illegally crossed the border, somehow managed to evade deportation for certain amount of time does not change that person’s status from being here illegally to being here legally. It doesn’t make said person a legal immigrant, it doesn’t make them a citizen, you don’t get visa just for evading deportation for a certain amount of time. Let me put it another way: lets say someone steals something from your house. You might be able to argue that after a certain period of time, that person should be charged for the theft. But should that mean that what the person stole now legally belongs to him/her?

I am aware that is not as it is. I mean to say that is not as it should be. The current mentality is that every day an “alien” spends in this country, they are breaking the law. But I tend to see their infraction as more of a single occurrence.

Your analogy to theft is exactly the issue when it comes to the perception of these people. They are not stealing our country from us by being here, despite what many think. Their coming here is not an invasion. Just because they don’t have citizenship under the letter of the law of our constructed nation does not prevent them from being citizens of the land they now call home. Our nation is built on immigrants. People say that all the time but they rarely stop to think of what it means. Yes, all those who immigrated to Ellis Island did it ‘legally.’ But for over a hundred years people we’re immigrating to America before there even were these United States. I have ancestors who came here in the 17th century. Their journey was a long one and a hard one. But so are the journeys of Mexican immigrants now. And just like them, my ancestors didn’t come here ‘legally’ because that didn’t mean anything at the time - and that’s not because it was unclaimed land because there were people living here. My point is, we are a country that has always accepted everyone that wanted to live here - that is what is most important, not their means of getting here. That’s not to say we should completely ignore it if they did it ‘illegally,’ but we should be willing to forgive them for their methods and not stigmatize them for it. Rather we should be embracing them, as this land has always done.

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

I’m sure glad Trump is deporting all the violent criminals like this one, who put everyone’s life at risk.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/02/09/for-decades-immigration-authorities-gave-this-mother-a-pass-wednesday-when-she-checked-in-with-them-they-seized-her/?utm_term=.f82e59eeeeff

You know, it is not that I don’t want to show mercy and understanding and concern especially for her kids, but she was technically in the country illegally, yes? I don’t know what should be done in cases like this, I don’t want her split up from her kids. But I don’t think the fact that she was here illegally should just be forgotten. I think this is part of problem we have we when discuss this with the more conservative minded. It is like we want to just forget that she technically broke the law when she came into this country. Yes, she was not putting anyone life at risk, and she was peaceful. That should be fairly considered. I just don’t think the bit about her technically being here illegally should be forgotten though. (This should not be read to mean I think she should have been deported. I don’t know what should be done with cases like her’s and many others)

The solution is simple: a path to citizenship. Deportation is just an absolute cruelty, there’s no other way around it. How she got in shouldn’t matter - the laws here that don’t have statutes of limitations are heinous crimes and there isn’t anything heinous about what she did.

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Spuffure said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

Spuffure said:

How did this

end up in this?

Because all the marketing people told all the hacks that made that awful movie that it would make it sell.

Please reboot batman!!

Done:

I’m in

I firmly believed, right up until I saw BOTFA, that the 3 movie decision was the right choice. I still think there was the potential to make all 3 worthwhile, but I’m not sure they quite managed it. I need to see the extended BOFTA to know if it’s even possible to do justice to the 3 film concept, if not, I’ll jump ship to the 2 film solution.

Jeebus said:

Improving the Original Star Wars

Thought this was pretty interesting, and might be controversial around here. Not sure if I agree with all of it, but I definitely agree with making Owen and Beru more likable. I got the same feeling of ‘relief’ when they died, honestly. I felt like they were an obstacle in the way of Luke’s destiny.

They’re supposed to be. There’s a beauty in the simplicity of the original film. Sure, there are some ways that would “improve” it, but those things would also take a little something away. The movie isn’t perfect as a part of a larger saga, and I think we’ve all had thoughts about how it could have been different to fit better with the other films (narratively and tonally), but for what it is - a classic, standalone adventure it really is kind of perfect in its own way (and I’d argue the proof of that is in its insane popularity and staying power).

Jetrell Fo said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF_42xLINO0

Sean Spicer giving Liberal reporter the slam. Damn double standards that don’t exist. I love it.

There’s nothing to love, that’s just more misconstrued “double standard” bs. Yes, there’s nothing wrong with criticizing a judicial decision, no one is saying there is. The problem is that Trump is insulting judges personally and questioning their qualifications. Obama never did that.

I’m glad we’re all holding the president to the Frink standard now.

LuckyGungan2001 said:

DominicCobb said:

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Nah man, Jesus Obi-Wan was awesome.

N64

Yeah the premise is definitely pretty silly and super fanfic-y, but I think it ends up working because it doesn’t feel like SW at all (which, in contrast, a fanfic would try very hard to do). So it just feels like a weird, fun curiosity.

Yeah, it’s funny, when I first saw the account I thought “that’s funny, but it probably takes a fair amount of skilled VFX work,” and it turns out the guy who runs it is literally the one professional VFX artist I know.

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Dark Empire is mostly pretty fascinating. Kind of crosses over into the surreal almost. Worth a read to see something so different than what you’d expect a SW story to look like.

For me, as soon as I found out that the Vong invasion was a thing, I immediately swore to never read anything dealing with it.

In an odd turn of events, it turns out I know the guy who runs the “Trump Draws” twitter account:
https://medium.com/@mikegaines/that-time-i-created-a-viral-twitter-account-79254aecceb1#.oqp73vcre