YOU CAN’T PROVE WHAT WAS IN THAT ENVELOPE
Well could if someone took and showed the contents right on camera . . . oh wait . . . That is exactly what happened!
That was a different card.
Come on now.
Warren Beatty, you are a jackass! I am willing to bet you were either drunk or high or combination thereof.
edit: Daye Dunaway is also an idiot since she is the one that actually said La La Land had won.
You do realize they were given the wrong card, right?
Well I don’t know what the hell happened, cause on camera they pulled the card right out of Beatty’s hands and it said “Moonlight” on it. I know he claimed the card he had said “La La Land”, but on camera they pulled the card right out of his hand and showed it to the camera and it said “Moonlight”. Either way, Beatty still looked off to me, either somewhat drunk or somewhat high.
Or old?
I didn’t actually watch the end so I didn’t see it, but you are the first person I’ve heard say the card had Moonlight on it. Did anyone else see this? Every story I’ve read said he was given the wrong envelope.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/27/business/media/pwc-oscars-best-picture.html
He explained it himself when it happened. There are apparently two envelopes for every category, and he was mistakenly given the second envelope for the previous category (Best Actress - Emma Stone). You see when he reads it he got confused. He was probably unsure of what to do and showed it to Dunaway to be like “what’s happening here?” and she saw La La Land and just said that.
I know all that, I’m wondering if anyone else can back up Warb’s assertion that the card he was given said Moonlight.
I don’t think it can be backed up because that’s not what happened.
The OJ doc winning was really dumb - even though I really liked it.
Technically it had a theatrical run. I do think it’s a bit of a cheat, but it’s still an incredible work.
And Zootopia winning seems really dumb - even though I haven’t seen it.
Well then why call it dumb?
Warren Beatty, you are a jackass! I am willing to bet you were either drunk or high or combination thereof.
edit: Daye Dunaway is also an idiot since she is the one that actually said La La Land had won.
You do realize they were given the wrong card, right?
Well I don’t know what the hell happened, cause on camera they pulled the card right out of Beatty’s hands and it said “Moonlight” on it. I know he claimed the card he had said “La La Land”, but on camera they pulled the card right out of his hand and showed it to the camera and it said “Moonlight”. Either way, Beatty still looked off to me, either somewhat drunk or somewhat high.
Or old?
I didn’t actually watch the end so I didn’t see it, but you are the first person I’ve heard say the card had Moonlight on it. Did anyone else see this? Every story I’ve read said he was given the wrong envelope.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/27/business/media/pwc-oscars-best-picture.html
He explained it himself when it happened. There are apparently two envelopes for every category, and he was mistakenly given the second envelope for the previous category (Best Actress - Emma Stone). You see when he reads it he got confused. He was probably unsure of what to do and showed it to Dunaway to be like “what’s happening here?” and she saw La La Land and just said that.
We would be here all day if I listed all the ways Moonlight is unlike other Best Picture winners, but suffice to say it doesn’t really fit into any of the usual boxes.
Was it a drama? Most Best Picture winners are dramas.
It was a drama unlike many I’ve seen. It’s not just a unique winner, it’s a unique film, period.
The Greatest Show on Earth
As boring and bland a winner as any other. I can’t think of any other with this exact subject matter, but I can think of many that are the same type of movie.
Rocky
Feel good underdog tale. Classic. Chariots of Fire comes to mind, as does the recent King’s Speech. Million Dollar Baby is another boxing winner.
The Godfather
Certainly a bit of a trailblazer at the time, but it was the biggest film of the year and an instant classic. Sort of fits with other family epics and definitely The Godfather Part II and The Departed.
Gigi
I get this movie mixed up with My Fair Lady all the time.
A Man for All Seasons
Period costume drama based on a popular play. One of many.
Patton
All Quiet on the Western Front
Two war films. Obviously not exactly the same, but the type.
The Broadway Melody
Don’t even remind me of this boring POS. Another show business musical.
Gone With The Wind
A big epic. Classic Oscar fare.
This are all vastly different movies and all Best Picture winners.
I think vastly is a bit of an overstatement. Best Picture winners usually fit into boxes: big budget epics, war dramas, feel good stuff, period dramas, etc.
Moonlight is an intimate drama about an individual growing up. Honestly the closest that I can think of is Boyhood, but that didn’t even win (and is still VERY different). And there’s the matter of identity. As I said before, 12 Years a Slave is about race, but not really about an individual’s racial identity (and there’s no film that’s won about any LGBT identity).
It’s just not stylistically what they go for. It’s also not super well known. Yeah, Oscars don’t always go for the biggest box office successes, but still, this is the lowest grossing winner in decades.
They just don’t go for these small indie films. I don’t know how clearer I can be about that.
Being hyperbolic, spewing buzzwords at people, yelling at them that they’re wrong about everything, calling them demeaning names, shutting down all conversation by calling someone a Racist! Sexist! Homophobe! Bigot! is why Trump won. People got sick of being patronised by people who refuse to step outside their own little echo chamber.
Out of everything you said, this one actually is a good point and it’s something that has always bugged me about democrats lately. I’m not saying I’m on the side of conservatives by any means, but very few of them actually are those things.
I think it’s a bullshit argument. You get called a sexist so you decide to vote for the most sexist candidate in recent history? Where’s the logic in that?
Some people take things out of hand with their accusations but most of them are coming from a reasonable place, but people just aren’t listening. It’s incredible how sensitive people on the right (and in general) are to criticism and refuse to believe that anything they do could be wrong or harmful. The hypocrisy of people on the right talking about echo chambers is overwhelming.
I wasn’t saying it excused voting for trump, I was only saying the name calling is not productive in converting people to your side. Not that conservatives don’t do it too.
Fair, but I think it’s often more than a simple matter of “name calling.” There can be legitimate reasons for the accusations that just end up getting routinely dismissed (with some jabs about the “tolerant left” of course).
Being hyperbolic, spewing buzzwords at people, yelling at them that they’re wrong about everything, calling them demeaning names, shutting down all conversation by calling someone a Racist! Sexist! Homophobe! Bigot! is why Trump won. People got sick of being patronised by people who refuse to step outside their own little echo chamber.
Out of everything you said, this one actually is a good point and it’s something that has always bugged me about democrats lately. I’m not saying I’m on the side of conservatives by any means, but very few of them actually are those things.
I think it’s a bullshit argument. You get called a sexist so you decide to vote for the most sexist candidate in recent history? Where’s the logic in that?
Some people take things out of hand with their accusations but most of them are coming from a reasonable place, but people just aren’t listening. It’s incredible how sensitive people on the right (and in general) are to criticism and refuse to believe that anything they do could be wrong or harmful. The hypocrisy of people on the right talking about echo chambers is overwhelming.
But if they don’t like Hillary, why would they vote for her? I don’t understand this logic. If they don’t like her, they probably wouldn’t have voted for her regardless of who else is on the ticket, and most likely did not think Trump was that bad. Furthermore, frankly it’s long overdue a third party had power in government. I do not see how not voting for your candidate is childish.
Obviously it all comes down to opinion. I personally don’t think just “not liking” someone is enough to disqualify them. The job is bigger than that and you need to look at the alternatives and decide what is really the best outcome for the country. If almost any other candidate was on the Republican ticket, I’d agree. Vote for whoever you want. We definitely need a third party, I agree. But there’s a time and place for these things. Trump was an extraordinary circumstance that had to be stopped. That’s just the way I saw it, and seeing how he’s handling things, I’m not too sure I was wrong.
“Being an adult” in this case is as simple as recognizing the dangers of a Trump presidency and doing whatever you can to stop it from happening.
Voting with your heart is cute on paper, but in reality it achieves nothing.
For one, I get the feeling that this film will totally ruin Han’s arc in ANH. He goes from “cynical smuggler who cares only about himself” to “rogue who sacrifices his own interests to save his friends” in the course of the film. That’s his character. If they try and make Han out to be a good guy in the standalone movie (which they will; this is Disney we’re talking about here) it will spoil his character progression. This will make his whole subplot in ANH completely pointless.
Han is a good guy deep down though, I think that’s always been there. They shouldn’t forget his arc in SW but they shouldn’t make him a complete dick either.
And I think we can put aside all that “this is Disney” bullshit by now.
Secondly, Emilia Clarke. I am not being at all hyperbolic when I say she is the worst actress who has ever lived.
I’m no Clarke fan, but yeah, this is absolutely hyperbolic.
I have elaborated. Many times. As have many other people. Why would I bother doing it again when it’ll just be another three pages of the group of you circlejerking each other?
There’s no point trying to debate any of you because you’re too arrogant to even consider for a second that you might not be the smartest people in the universe.
Not all of us are narcissistic enough to always make every thread about ourselves so I’m not once again having this discussion in an unrelated thread.
I only see one person here making this all about themselves.
A Han Solo/Boba Fett movie would also cover a lot of bases.
That’s certainly plausible. It is very interesting that the Boba Fett film hasn’t yet been confirmed. The rumor’s been around for what, four years now? and has been backed up by so many sources there’s almost no chance it isn’t true. It seems like that was the movie Josh Trank was working on (and was slated for 2018 release), but you have to wonder why they at the very least pushed it back when they lost the director.
Trank was clearly I nightmare but I suspect there might be some concern over a Fett standalone. A bounty hunter film with a mask wearing protagonist is quite a big leap to make for the franchise (not to mention the actor controversy). Might be easier to do a crossover with Solo.
Who thinks Boba Fett, Jabba the Hutt and Vader will appear in this?
Hutt possibly, Fett maybe not, Vader definitely no.
I think the real reason that Han Solo has such an attachment with the Falcon, is because he lost friends near to him on that ship.
I hope the Falcon looks a little different, as he made a lot of modifications to that ship. I pray they get that right. I see the cockpit inside looks different, that’s good.
I also hope that from day one, the Falcon still has hyperdrive issues and just shuts down all the time. I can see Woody asking Han, “You still haven’t fixed that thing?”
I feel like there’s a good chance Solo won’t have the Falcon at the start of the film.
I don’t know if you’ve seen Moonlight, but I’ll just say, as someone who has seen all 90 Best Picture winners, it is nothing like the rest of them.
interesting considering that there are vast differences between the rest.
As I said, I’ve seen them all, so I’m aware there are differences. The point is the degree of difference.
If La La Land had won, it’d be the eleventh musical to win, and the fourth film about the entertainment industry to win this decade.
We would be here all day if I listed all the ways Moonlight is unlike other Best Picture winners, but suffice to say it doesn’t really fit into any of the usual boxes.
That was a very clear, articulate, and well-thought-out response. I have not seen all of the Best Picture winners, only about half, and haven’t had a chance to even see Moonlight, so I’ll take your word for it. It’s not an issue I take much time to think about, honestly, so the added clarification was helpful. My thought-process allowed an accurate prediction, though of course everything is always more complicated than that.
Thanks. The Oscars are a topic I care about far more than I should (not all of those Best Picture winners were worth my time). It was a smart prediction. Sometimes knowing so much about Oscar history can get in the way of recognizing when something’s happening that’s actually different. I’ve noticed a LOT of La La Land backlash recently, so I can’t say I 100% went into the night thinking it was a sure thing, but I figured the voters must have really loved it to tie it for the record number of nominations. I knew too that Moonlight was the most likely upsetter, but again, my knowledge of past winners got in the way and I thought they’d play it safe, as usual.
Moonlight, by the way, is a fantastic film. I can’t say for sure that everyone would love it, but I think if people saw it they’d know what I mean about it being a very atypical winner. It’s not even just the subject matter either, it’s the style. Certainly a unique film. In the end, I think it’s kind of cool that it won, and I think history will look back well on the choice, even though personally my favorite film of the year was, in fact, La La Land (and my favorites never win! haha I should have remembered that).
The thing is that #OscarsSoWhite isn’t because the Oscars only look at white movies, it’s because there just aren’t that many movies being made about minorities (or any that get any attention). To the same point, it’s not that the Oscars don’t ever reward black films, it’s just that there’s rarely ever a chance to (and on the other hand, it’s not like every time they get a chance to they jump at the opportunity). Many people might point to the diverse set of nominees this year and say “hey, the Oscars are trying to improve,” but it’s just that this year happened to have more diverse films in general. Next year we could very easily slip back into 20 white acting nominees. The Academy doesn’t really have much of say in how this breaks down, honestly, it’s a systemic issue in the film industry, not a problem with racist Academy members.
The question of whether Moonlight would get more praise if it was a white teenager is, really I don’t even know what to say about that. That’s one of those hypotheticals where you’re changing the fabric of the film to much to ask it. I don’t know if anyone could say either way with any certainty if it’d get more praise.
I say I didn’t want to go there because there’s so much more to films than the simple surface level “what color is the cast,” and I think the decisions that go into what gets the Best Picture Oscar are a lot more complicated than that as well.
Moonlight is atypical for Best Picture because of all its other qualities. First of all, I think the argument that 12 Years a Slave won only for racial politics is absurd, because the film is a masterpiece regardless (and the Ellen joke is just that: a JOKE; I shouldn’t have to explain it). But Moonlight is about race in a completely different way than that film. I don’t think Moonlight was remotely like 12 Years a Slave at all. That film was about black history and the atrocities they’ve faced. Moonlight is a far smaller and more personal film about racial identity today, the issues of racial oppression are of course there but not in any direct or explicit way. So maybe it’s not “monumental” for a film dealing with race in the most general of terms to win but it definitely is monumental in every other way. I can’t really think of any other winner that deals so intimately with the personal identity of a single character in this way.
I don’t know if you’ve seen Moonlight, but I’ll just say, as someone who has seen all 90 Best Picture winners, it is nothing like the rest of them.
Remotely? 12 Years a Slave?
Because they both have black people in them? I didn’t want to go there but that’s the only similarity.
I expected Moonlight to win, but I’m being told it was a shock. I don’t understand, had the ceremony taken place in early January instead of late February, La La Land would have won. As time went on, I saw a lot of hype for Moonlight leading up to the ceremony that it became expected. The switcheroo was a shock, though. But calling the win “monumental” is a bit over-the-top.
Definitely a shock. The buzz for Moonlight has been building since before it was released, but La La Land has always been the frontrunner, and surprises rarely, if ever happen for Best Picture. In this case, it was just a matter of La La Land backlash taking over.
I think the “monumental” element is more when you just look at the fact of the matter. La La Land is a classic BP winner. I can’t think of any other winners remotely like Moonlight.
I don’t think Bernie bros necessarily lost the election for her, but they didn’t help. The Hitlerly is the devil sort of rhetoric they pushed really demonized her for a lot of people. I mean, yeah she’s not great, yeah she’s a two faced politician, but people got too caught up on that narrative and failed to see how much worse the alternative was.
I don’t think anyone needs chaos on this scale. What is happening to the country now is abhorrent. Just because the DNC slipped too far into the status quo doesn’t mean they, or any of the millions of Americans being affected, deserve what is happening now.
Hillary was so bad, we had to elect someone infinitely worse in every single way! Blame her for destroying our nation!
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/321191-perez-appoints-ellison-deputy-dnc-chair
Ellison sold out!
Figured I’d listen to it again after “Redbone” (unsurprisingly) showed up in Get Out.
I too think that’s a better way to do it. You can still keep the TIE shot where it was, just need to rearrange the music.
I sure hope so, but I’m worried about the Bernie bros throwing another fit because they didn’t get their again.
Well he did support Shillary so you know we might as well throw in the towel and let Trump win again because they’re basically the same.
Credit where credit is due, this one is pretty funny.
Congratulations to Thomas Perez, who has just been named Chairman of the DNC. I could not be happier for him, or for the Republican Party!
In fairness to the chairman, here’s his response
Call me Tom. And don’t get too happy. @keithellison and I, and Democrats united across the country, will be your worst nightmare.
Thinnest skin ever.
I will not be attending the White House Correspondents’ Association Dinner this year. Please wish everyone well and have a great evening!
Oh my god haha of course he’s not.
I think there might even be a chance a Solo sequel will be the third anthology film, hence why they still haven’t announced what that’ll be yet.