DominicCobb

How is all manners of blood and violence “family friendly” but saying something is “fucking awesome” not?

Marcia Lucas, total dumb duck am I right?

suspiciouscoffee said:

Yep, senior in high school with no idea what the hell I’m doing with my life, where I’m going to college, or what to major in when I get there.

Which means that, and I promise you this is true, failing one test at this point honestly doesn’t matter in the scheme of things.

The irony of warb denying chyron’s ROTS head canon while refusing to accept the actual canon of ST09 over his head canon…

Snaketibe said:

Continuity errors bug the hell out of me as they smack of, at the very least poor planning, and at worst, poor film-making…

This is somewhat callous. Movies are not easy to make. Continuity errors are just tiny mistakes that happen here and there (and are pretty much inevitable). They have nothing to do with the quality of the film or the filmmaking at hand. There are far more important things that go into that.

Bingowings said:

DominicCobb said:

Bingowings said:

dahmage said:

Glad to finally hear you guys put an end to this constant search for flipped shots. they are flipped for a reason, as some posters above have clearly explained.

It doesn’t matter. The flipped elements can be partially or wholly flipped back and maintain composition. It’s just as distracting to see R2 mirrored as having him move counter to the flow of the action.

I disagree on your second point (flipped elements are only noticed by obsessive fans on repeat viewings, whereas a bad cut is obvious to anyone, whether or not they understand why), but yes, if the offending elements can be changed without flipping the whole shot back, then that should absolutely be done.

As someone with a fine art training in my experience people generally notice these things at a gut level. I noticed the flip shots in the phantom menace on first viewing.

I’ve seen that film more times than I care to admit and I don’t even know what they are off the top of my head. Also, since I guess we’re listing credentials, I work as a video editor.

Bingowings said:

dahmage said:

Glad to finally hear you guys put an end to this constant search for flipped shots. they are flipped for a reason, as some posters above have clearly explained.

It doesn’t matter. The flipped elements can be partially or wholly flipped back and maintain composition. It’s just as distracting to see R2 mirrored as having him move counter to the flow of the action.

I disagree on your second point (flipped elements are only noticed by obsessive fans on repeat viewings, whereas a bad cut is obvious to anyone, whether or not they understand why), but yes, if the offending elements can be changed without flipping the whole shot back, then that should absolutely be done.

flametitan said:

I remember hearing that were deliberately designed to be ludicrous, more of a propaganda reel than literally true, but that may be apocryphal attempts to excuse it.

Don’t know if that’s true but it makes sense.

Either way, it’s clear they used the different medium as an opportunity for some artistic license, not just in that one Windu scene, but throughout the series. It’s a fun series, and even the silly and over the top parts are easily enjoyable if you don’t take it seriously.

dahmage said:

I don’t play Battlefront, but why exactly does this remind your friend of that game? is it because the game has an overlapping plot? that this is a movie with an epic battle?

Battlefront is literally just large scale Star Wars battles, with the goal being to let the player immerse themselves in the Battle of Hoth, the Battle of Endor, etc.

So the more accurate thing to say would be that the battle at the end of Rogue One reminds them of the battles in ESB and ROTJ.

ray_afraid said:

I like both songs, but I rank em low as far as U2 tunes go.

No.

(and the album Beautiful Day is from (allthatyoucantleavebehind) is easily and clearly their absolute worst)

Yes.

ray_afraid said:

TV’s Frink said:

The continued support for ROTS, which failed on every level regardless of any voice dubbing, continues to amaze me.

I’m with U2.
And you, too.

Well, with or without you, I agree with Frink.

My problem with the Klingons in Discovery is that they’re so boring.

I don’t dislike the design, but making them all look like that (I mean really not a single one can have hair?) is definitely just different for the sake of different. To be clear though, I quite honestly don’t give a shit.

Snaketibe said:

ray_afraid said:

I don’t think these flipped shots were being pointed out as needing to be flipped back, but that certain elements in the shots can be corrected.

…Boba Fett’s flipped shots in Jabba’s Palace leap to mind…

That one’s easy, just cut Boba out entirely.

How many billions of people live in the galaxy? 10,000 is a relatively paltry number. Not to mention that the PT portrays them as mostly hanging out round the temple, rather than exploring.

Also, how old was Han when they went extinct? 15 at the oldest? Even if Han had seen a Jedi use the force at a young age, it’s not hard to believe an older, more cynical version of himself would pass that off as simple tricks and/or nonsense.

I’m not a fan of this thread in general, and it should really only be posted in when someone’s changed their mind on their ranking or if a new film has been added.

Needlessly repeating your opinions on which is better or worse is tedious enough, but when you state those opinions in an inflammatory way, that’s when you’ll get called (accurately so) a troll.

imperialscum said:

I was only expressing my opinion, for which I explained the underlying reasons several times in the past. I do not see the point of explaining the same reasons to the people who are already familiar with them whenever I want to repeat my opinion. Especially since whenever I do restate my reasons behind my opinion I get these kind of responses:
http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1056497

Ironic you use the word “opinion” but you respond with stuff like this: http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1056578

Surprising absolutely no one the film finally has the official title Solo: A Star Wars Story.

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

You probably need to get over yourself then.

Or you need to get over yourself for judging me for being uncomfortable. This would fall under the argument that people on the left are only inclusive (and/or tolerant) to people who agree with them.

Again, I am NOT being judgmental toward people who are gay. I am simply uncomfortable around certain varieties of eccentricity. There is nothing wrong with that.

What you just said was “why won’t you tolerate my intolerance?!” and that’s very silly.

Valheru_84 said:

One does have to ask though, why then isn’t this 180 rule taken into consideration much more when actually filming the scenes? Is this not part of the directors job?

It 100% is but everyone makes mistakes. The majority of the time they factor it in and it works fine. Sometimes one shot of a scene could be done days or weeks before the next (not often, but possible on an effects picture like this) and it’s easy to slip up. Sometimes they did two shots that they didn’t necessarily envision cutting together (maybe there was supposed to be a cutaway but that’s gone and now its jarring). And of course, any rule is just a guideline, so maybe they knew they were breaking 180 but thought it would work okay, but ultimately it didn’t.

oh_riginal said:

Most common reason a shot is flipped is to avoid breaking the 180 degree rule.

This is never the fault of the editor, as they have to work with the footage they have in order to make a scene work shot-to-shot. Breaking the 180 degree rule is far worse for flow of a scene than a reversed image, hence why they tend to pop up a lot in many movies. We only notice them more in Star Wars because we observe them repeatedly, much more than any other film.

Yeah, definitely not the fault of the editor, they’re the one trying to fix it. Looking at the Leia/Jabba pics on a bigger screen, that’s definitely to fix 180. As the the skiff and barge heading to the sarlacc, that’s a combination of keeping the flow of movement from left to right, and also keeping the same position of the two vehicles the same, relative to each other, throughout the sequence.

A month sounds harsh. I don’t even remember what he did wrong.

Those continuity issues are of the least concern when it comes to editing. I’ve never noticed them before and I still can’t see what they are (on my phone). Far more jarring would be something like the skiff pointing in one direction in one shot and another in another.

I would have to watch the scenes in question to get a better idea of it (and that is how a cut should be judged, not just by looking at stills), but at the end of the day no matter what you have to realize that if a professional editor flipped a shot there was a damn good reason for it, and an eagle eyed fan pointing out Carrie’s birthmark is in the wrong spot is not a good enough reason to flip it back.

Shots aren’t flipped by accident. Always a reason (usually screen direction - flow of action).

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

The fact that this is all we’ve been debating for the last couple pages suggests this was a pretty good film.

That reasoning is debatable.

They’re sassy? I didn’t notice that.