DominicCobb

I feel like they are swagmasta/Bosk team accounts.

suspiciouscoffee said:

No, I’m about to go see it right now, so I’ll just take my chances. Thanks for the offer, though; I’d probably take it if I wasn’t seeing it for a few more days or so.

Do tell after, though.

SilverWook said:

Depends on where he keeps it? If it was on the Death Star planet it’s toast now. If it was on Snoke’s ship, also probably toast.

Aboard the Finalizer, which, if I’m not mistaken, makes it out of the movie intact.

ChainsawAsh said:

Hal 9000 said:

Some unconnected thoughts upon first viewing:

They put Luke’s X-wing underwater so they didn’t have to show it covered in bird shit.

Nice ‘Raiders of the Lost Arc’ moment with the Imperial laundry room.

Yoda looks the worst I’ve ever seen him.

Interesting that the only prequel-specific reference was to the name Darth Sidious. Regards to L8wrtr.

Someone earlier in the thread said they’d like to change Luke’s saber to green at the end. It seems likely that Luke had long since discarded his green saber. Plus, him using Anakin’s saber is a very good hint that he’s not actually there, because we already saw broken in two. (Assuming it will be reforged in 3,000 years’ time.)

I was so certain Leia was going to die in space. Then I was so sure she would simply remain unconscious; the characters were already grappling with how to continue in her absence. I know the story and plot were finished prior to Carrie Fischer’s sudden death, but it still surprised me. Not sure how Ep9 will address this at all.

I found myself in tears, but was a little surprised at when that occurred. For me, it was when Luke and Leia were onscreen together and John Williams’ “Luke and Leia” kicked in.

I’m happy with Rey’s parentage. Good. Less so about Snoke; I’d really have liked to hear who this guy is. Rey as a rando is good, Snoke as a rando is bad.

Why have ‘caretakers’ on Luke’s island? To me, that slightly undermines his solitude. I didn’t mind the porgs so much. Sort of made me want to go to Chik Fil A afterward.

Maz felt totally unnecessary. And WTF is she doing as Finn and company are talking with her?

I think it was a misstep to introduce Rose at all. Just keep Finn around and have him do something without going off on a side adventure.

Can’t put my finger on it, but it seems like having so many characters or things going on made it feel like an overstuffed blockbuster movie. Maybe like all these Marvel movies I don’t care about.

I found Luke perplexing toward the end, and not necessarily in a negative sense. I wonder why Luke died. I also wonder why he suddenly has such conviction that Rey will become a Jedi and that the Jedi will continue. I thought Yoda joined him in agreeing it was time for the Jedi to end.

The novelization doesn’t come out until March?!

I agree about most of this, but Luke’s death angered me more than confused me (though it did also do that). I feel like that’s the one thing they should have changed after Carrie’s death (as in, keep Luke alive).

But Luke dying doesn’t mean he’s not coming back.

And I think Yoda looked slightly better than TPM puppet Yoda. Maybe we can convince Ady to work his magic on that scene when the BR comes out…?

Better, but worse in different ways. I feel like they tried to hard to make him look like it was an 80s puppet but they went to far. Oddly enough he looked better in the closeups.

I really don’t like ranking so soon but I feel like I have a good idea where I’d slot it.

suspiciouscoffee said:

The more I think about it, the less legit that specific spoiler seems, but then again, what if? Ugh this is the worst. I think I’d rather have accidentally seen a spoilery image or clip because at least then I wouldn’t spend the whole movie worried about it.

ooh now I’m curious.

SilverWook said:

What is a casino supposed to look like in the GFFA? The whole point was to show the decadence that’s taken root in the galaxy. In the prequels, slavery was going on in backwater worlds, much to Padme’s surprise. Here it’s happening on a nice clean civilized planet.

In movie elapsed time, the New Republic and billions of people were wiped out not that long ago, and it’s not affected business. Surprised the Hutts weren’t shown to be behind the whole operation. They’ve got to be running amok with nobody keeping them in check.

For all the references to money in past films, this is the first time we’ve seen currency. And Han Solo’s reward doesn’t count, as we never actually saw what was in those boxes.

Yeah I dug all of that, even if I agree with the prevailing opinion that that portion of the film sagged just a tad.

The casino stuff pairs really nicely with Bloodline, actually.

Finn said cops when they were sneaking around the casino. Speaking of Daniel Craig, I just remembered that I had heard Tom Hardy was in this, but I didn’t catch him. Did notice the Gareth Edwards cameo though.

Each OT film had the same general feel to them yet at the same time were each totally distinct. Thus far the ST has definitely had it’s own voice, separate from the OT, and with both movies having a distinct sense to them. Star Wars evolves, what really is the Star Wars feel anyway?

DominicCobb said:

Adding more Porgs will be the most popular fan-edit request/idea once the Last Jedi is released.

Maybe too early to say, but I think I’m right about this.

ChainsawAsh said:

Ha, funny because a lot of people took the TFA “sanitation” comment the same way I’m taking the TLJ “mopping” comment, but I didn’t have that issue with the TFA one at all!

It might stick out less on a rewatch, I dunno yet.

I just doubt that they would have stormtroopers that only mop floors. That just seems like one of their duties.

Mielr said:

DominicCobb said:

Mielr said:

DominicCobb said:

Mielr said:

DominicCobb said:

Mielr said:
And sure, there’s nothing wrong with that, but what you’re doing is asking for people to cease intelligent film criticism and discussion and just end it with a base level impression.

Nope. Not asking for any of that.

But you did say that people who like the film should stop trying to analyze it to explain why they do, didn’t you?

No I didn’t say that at all. I said that “I” didn’t need to analyze a film to know whether or not I like it.

I just think it’s ridiculous to dismiss everyone who has legitimate criticisms of the film and try to explain to them why they should like it. Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, etc. Flashback city.

Well okay but if the legitimate criticisms are countered with legitimate points, what’s the issue? There’s a distinction there.

You essentially have the same attitude, but from the other side…
I just think it’s ridiculous to dismiss everyone who has legitimate things they appreciate about the film and try to explain to them why they shouldn’t like it.

I don’t think there is such a thing as “legitimate” or “illegitimate” points when it comes to subjective tastes. This isn’t science—it’s art.

That was your word, though, you said “legitimate criticisms.”

Listen, I don’t care if you just like what you like and don’t like what you don’t. But intelligent film criticism is about exploring why you have those reactions, and I don’t see why there’s anything wrong with that. This doesn’t even have to do with my thoughts on the film itself. It’s just a weird thing for someone to say.

Mielr said:

DominicCobb said:

Mielr said:

DominicCobb said:

Mielr said:
And sure, there’s nothing wrong with that, but what you’re doing is asking for people to cease intelligent film criticism and discussion and just end it with a base level impression.

Nope. Not asking for any of that.

But you did say that people who like the film should stop trying to analyze it to explain why they do, didn’t you?

No I didn’t say that at all. I said that “I” didn’t need to analyze a film to know whether or not I like it.

I just think it’s ridiculous to dismiss everyone who has legitimate criticisms of the film and try to explain to them why they should like it. Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, etc. Flashback city.

Well okay but if the legitimate criticisms are countered with legitimate points, what’s the issue? There’s a distinction there.

You essentially have the same attitude, but from the other side…
I just think it’s ridiculous to dismiss everyone who has legitimate things they appreciate about the film and try to explain to them why they shouldn’t like it.

Mielr said:

DominicCobb said:

Mielr said:
And sure, there’s nothing wrong with that, but what you’re doing is asking for people to cease intelligent film criticism and discussion and just end it with a base level impression.

Nope. Not asking for any of that.

But you did say that people who like the film should stop trying to analyze it to explain why they do, didn’t you?

ModsRBad said:

SilverWook said:

In any case, this is a TLJ thread, not the OT.com bitchfest thread. Further derails will not be tolerated.

Since some need to reminded.
http://originaltrilogy.com/announcement/About-The-Last-Jedi-Spoilers-How-to-behave-when-the-movie-is-out-THIS-MEANS-YOU/id/52497

That’s right, so do what you do when people complain about the movies too much! Tell Dom to chill out! He gave his opinion now let everyone else give theirs! I’d like to hear!

There isn’t a line, you can give your opinion whenever you want. I don’t think I’ve even really said that much (I’ve barely stated my thoughts on the film beyond the most general of sentiments), although your bitching certainly makes me want to post even more.

Mielr said:

Everyone has their own tastes, of course, but trying to explain to someone why they should like this film is too reminiscent of what went on during the Prequel era.

I either like a movie or I don’t. I don’t have to analyze it to figure out “oh yeah, you’re right! This WAS a good movie!”

I mean, that’s fine if that how you go about it, but there’s nothing strange or unusual or annoying about having a debate about the quality of the film and backing up your position with analysis. I mean it literally just sounds like you’d prefer a discussion that went like this:

“I didn’t like the movie!”
“I did like the movie!”
“Fine whatever”
“Same”

And sure, there’s nothing wrong with that, but what you’re doing is asking for people to cease intelligent film criticism and discussion and just keep it to a base level impression.

ModsRBad said:

DominicCobb said:

Yeah, okay… holy fucking shit!

JEDIT: haha of course you guys hated it, what else should I have expected from this joyless site

DominicCobb said:

It honestly seems like there’s no pleasing people. I really don’t know why I’m surprised.

DominicCobb said:

I guess somehow I’m an odd man out even though beyond this site I feel like the response has been overwhelmingly positive.

To address a couple complaints… One of the bigger surprises was that I had no idea this would be the funniest Star Wars film. All of the comedy was pitch perfect, I thought. And am I the only one who LOVED that Leia moment? The only scene that brought tears to my eyes.

I’m very neutral on Luke’s death, I can see both sides of that. Need to watch again.

The biggest disappointment is that they so clearly set up a story that can’t be told anymore.

DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

DominicCobb said:

I guess somehow I’m an odd man out even though beyond this site I feel like the response has been overwhelmingly positive.

To address a couple complaints… One of the bigger surprises was that I had no idea this would be the funniest Star Wars film. All of the comedy was pitch perfect, I thought. And am I the only one who LOVED that Leia moment? The only scene that brought tears to my eyes.

I’m very neutral on Luke’s death, I can see both sides of that. Need to watch again.

The biggest disappointment is that they so clearly set up a story that can’t be told anymore.

Which story thread specifically? I do agree that this feels like the end of a saga/trilogy and I’m honestly fine with that. Depending on how episode 9 turns out, I am fine with this as the last film of the saga. Not a cut and dry fairy tale ending but you still feel that Kylo lost and the heroes won. I know it sounds crazy but the emotion feels that way. Not the actual galactic situation.

It seems pretty clear that Leia was going to have a big part in IX, obviously in leading the Resistance but also in mentoring Rey and most likely saving Ben.

DominicCobb said:

What’s funny to me is people complained that TFA played it too safe, now this did the opposite of that and people are still complaining.

DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

DominicCobb said:

What’s funny to me is people complained that TFA played it too safe, now this did the opposite of that and people are still complaining.

That’s the thing. At least fans should be a bit consistent. I personally really, really enjoyed The Force Awakens but my main gripe was that it played it too safe. So no wonder the Last Jedi felt so refreshing and amazing to me.

I personally felt that both served the purposes they needed to. As happy as I am that JJ will be back, I do still wish they brought in someone else to bring it somewhere else (though here’s hoping JJ can deliver).

Also, since I guess my review will just come out in random fragments, here’s something I just realized: my least favorite scenes in TFA were Snoke scenes, my most favorite scenes in TLJ were Snoke scenes.

DominicCobb said:

adywan said:

The casino planet actually added quite a bit to the story and for what is to come. Little threads in the film that lead up to the ending and also showed that not everything is black and white (the resistance is dealing with the same people who deal with the first order). The resistance has now become the rebellion and is all but gone at the end of the film. Something that was said earlier on (and again later). “We are the spark that will light the fire that will burn the first order down”.

Canto Bight is a planet where the rich and elite congregate in luxurious overindulgence while the rest of the inhabitants live in extreme poverty and slavery, including the children. Finn and Roses interactions with those inhabitants is a major factor here. they show the willingness to fight for freedom. At the end we see the children telling their story and then a single child use the force to grab the broom, he has the rebellion ring. The seeds of rebellion are planted. So Finn and Rose are that spark that will light the fire that will burn the first order down.

There are so many little details that are easily missed on a single viewing. I’ll write a proper review once i have seen it again. So far i liked it.

Exactly.

DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

The animal cruelty message just felt kind of forced in for me. I feel like despite there being some cool stuff on Canto Bight, I feel that cutting it down significantly would benefit the pace of the movie as a whole experience. Each man to their own. Glad to hear about some more people who enjoyed the film.

It wasn’t really an animal cruelty message, that was just used more as a specific example of the pervasive inhumanity of the casino/galaxy at large.

DominicCobb said:

People are going to warm up to this one. It’ll take some time, because it’s so different. But it will happen.

DominicCobb said:

Jeebus said:

DominicCobb said:

People are going to warm up to this one. It’ll take some time, because it’s so different. But it will happen.

I think you’re right. I can already feel myself warming up to it a bit, definitely gonna have to watch it again.

I’m excited to watch again too. The funny thing is I guess I’m the opposite of everyone - the first time I saw TFA I just thought it was pretty good, with some issues, but I eventually warmed up to it and really loved it on my subsequent viewings. With TLJ it was an intense love affair from start to finish.

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

Yeah, I will watch it again tomorrow as well. Perhaps I will warm up to it too, but I will say, that despite it’s weak execution in the prequels, Lucas’ six episode saga had some underlying themes of hope and redemption that have gone by the wayside with this installment, like for example Luke who transcended his masters’ pessimism by believing in his overtly evil father’s capacity for good, now contemplating killing his nephew for having dark thoughts, and Leia ultimately giving up on her son at the end of this film. I know most people wanted to originality for TLJ, but this seems like throwing out the baby with the bath water.

If you think they abandoned the theme of hope in this… I don’t know what to tell you but… watch the film again, I think you’ll see it’s very much there.

Incessantly posting that you hate these movies and backing up with arguments = warnings and bans

Incessantly posting how much you love these movies and arguing with people about their own opinions = great job!

Jay’s once great site now SUCKS!

Okay, first of all, little creepy, no?

Second of all, what the f are you talking about?

bromeo said:

I can’t wait for The Last Jedi: A Not-So-Gentle Restructure v1.0!

DZ-330 said:

TLJ contains no contradictions to your edit whatsoever, but I am eagerly looking forward to TLJ: A GIANT Restructure

No thanks!

ChainsawAsh said:

One thing that every edit needs to cut out:

Finn’s “Who do you think mopped up on that Star Destroyer?” comment (or whatever it was he said).

I didn’t mind the “sanitation” thing in TFA, since it was implied that he was only in sanitation while stationed at SKB, and he almost certainly had other, more stormtrooper-y posts when he was stationed at other locations.

But TLJ implying that he was also in sanitation on that Star Destroyer implies that a janitor is all he ever was. Which doesn’t sit right with me at all.

I didn’t take it that way.

DrDre said:

Yeah, I will watch it again tomorrow as well. Perhaps I will warm up to it too, but I will say, that despite it’s weak execution in the prequels, Lucas’ six episode saga had some underlying themes of hope and redemption that have gone by the wayside with this installment, like for example Luke who transcended his masters’ pessimism by believing in his overtly evil father’s capacity for good, now contemplating killing his nephew for having dark thoughts, and Leia ultimately giving up on her son at the end of this film. I know most people wanted to originality for TLJ, but this seems like throwing out the baby with the bath water.

If you think they abandoned the theme of hope in this… I don’t know what to tell you but… watch the film again, I think you’ll see it’s very much there.

Jeebus said:

DominicCobb said:

People are going to warm up to this one. It’ll take some time, because it’s so different. But it will happen.

I think you’re right. I can already feel myself warming up to it a bit, definitely gonna have to watch it again.

I’m excited to watch again too. The funny thing is I guess I’m the opposite of everyone - the first time I saw TFA I just thought it was pretty good, with some issues, but I eventually warmed up to it and really loved it on my subsequent viewings. With TLJ it was an intense love affair from start to finish.

ZigZig said:

99. TLJ (I’m so disappointed, it is not a bad movie, it’s just not a Star Wars movie)

But… you’ve already seen it 3 times?

People are going to warm up to this one. It’ll take some time, because it’s so different. But it will happen.

darthrush said:

The animal cruelty message just felt kind of forced in for me. I feel like despite there being some cool stuff on Canto Bight, I feel that cutting it down significantly would benefit the pace of the movie as a whole experience. Each man to their own. Glad to hear about some more people who enjoyed the film.

It wasn’t really an animal cruelty message, that was just used more as a specific example of the pervasive inhumanity of the casino/galaxy at large.

adywan said:

The casino planet actually added quite a bit to the story and for what is to come. Little threads in the film that lead up to the ending and also showed that not everything is black and white (the resistance is dealing with the same people who deal with the first order). The resistance has now become the rebellion and is all but gone at the end of the film. Something that was said earlier on (and again later). “We are the spark that will light the fire that will burn the first order down”.

Canto Bight is a planet where the rich and elite congregate in luxurious overindulgence while the rest of the inhabitants live in extreme poverty and slavery, including the children. Finn and Roses interactions with those inhabitants is a major factor here. they show the willingness to fight for freedom. At the end we see the children telling their story and then a single child use the force to grab the broom, he has the rebellion ring. The seeds of rebellion are planted. So Finn and Rose are that spark that will light the fire that will burn the first order down.

There are so many little details that are easily missed on a single viewing. I’ll write a proper review once i have seen it again. So far i liked it.

Exactly.