DominicCobb

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Frank your Majesty said:

SilverWook said:

Because either Rey’s parents were on that departing ship or they’re dead and buried on Jakku. It can’t be both.
And Kylo can’t be trusted.

I already asked this, but are we really sure we see Rey’s parents leave in that ship? Maybe it was just a random ship and Rey imagined her parents were in there, because that would make it easier for her.

Given Rey’s response to Ben, it’s clear that Rey has maintained a myth about her parents in her mind. Why can’t she have manufactured a memory? Not that unrealistic. Indeed, there are still Star Wars fans who maintain that Luke’s first go at the grappling hook missed when SW first hit theaters.

But doesn’t the vision show things that actually happened? I mean, besides Rey being at Cloud City and elsewhere, and besides Kylo Ren having his mask on during the forest battle, and besides Rey’s parents ship flying into the Starkiller Base sucking up the sun.

Here’s a pass that needs more work:
https://vimeo.com/250214190

Handman said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

chyron8472 said:

When I talk to my 14yo nephew about the Star Wars movies, he’s not really that big a fan and has a hard time remembering which Episode number goes by which subtitle. At one point, he asked me why I don’t just call them by their episode numbers, and I said that it wasn’t until the prequels came out that their numbers even were on the box or that Star Wars was marketed as A New Hope.

Then I showed him images of OT posters and VHS boxes to prove my point.

God those were awful posters.

We haven’t gotten anything better since for an official release.

Almost every official theatrical poster since has been better.

Jeebus said:

I am going to take a bold stance against all out-of-touch billionaires with no political experience running for president. No Trump, no Mark Cuban, and no Oprah.

I agree, but I don’t think all billionaires are the same level of out-of-touch.

Frank your Majesty said:

I find wearing headphones more comfortable than stuffing things in my ears.

Depends on the headphones. And the earbuds.

Collipso said:

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

yotsuya said:

First, what is the basis for Star Wars? While Lucas used Campbell’s mythical hero’s journey to craft the characters and a lot of the story, Star Wars is really based off of Flash Gordon, Buck Rogers, Foundation, Dune, and a host of others, not to mention some solid, real world history. But even if you go back to the classic myths, what is one thing that holds true for each and every inspriation? Victories don’t last. Flash fought Ming over and over again. Buck Rogers had a new foe with every adventure. The Foundation faced a critical crisis generation after generation. Dune had crisis after crisis, often costing characters their lies. And in mythology, every victory lasted until it was time to tell another story. How many victories did Hercules have? What was always going to be true of a sequel - things were going to fall apart.

So, what is the setup we have now? Things fell apart. The Republic never got strong (a very realistic approach - far more so than the EU New Republic), a powerful foe rose up on the Rim and is poised to seize power. Revolutionary governments do not last. Why did the US last? Because we cut off the head and left the structure in place. The first revolution in France and Russia didn’t last because it didn’t have anything to fill the power vacuum. So it is very realistic that the Republic created by the allies of our heroes has failed. And note, that they failed to heed Leia who was already leading a resistance to the First Order. Luke had a huge failure that drove him to find the first Jedi temple and to hide there when it didn’t give him any answers. Han lost the Falcon, but ended up with a bigger ship. Virtually all of the failures are no on our old hero’s heads, but on others. The Republic fails because they don’t listen to Leia. Ben falls because he is listening to Snoke, not Luke. Our heroes have not failed so much as been ignored by the next generation. When they should be retiring, they have to go back at it and lead a new fight. But along comes a new set of heroes to pick up the reigns and learn from the great heroes of the past. Classic mythological story telling.

And the story so far has taken place over weeks. The New Republic capitol was destroyed, the First Order is poised to take over, but they have not done so. They have to take over each planet, each system. They have to put a structure in place. Leia’s allies didn’t respond to her call because the are preparing to defend themselves from the First Order. But Luke showed up just when Leia needed him in just the way she needed him - larger than life, legendary, the great Jedi and hero. Luke’s last stand spread like wildfire with even a stable boy (there is nothing ever indicating he is a slave) and his friends on a far off planet hear about what Luke did. Luke again restored hope in a way he never did in the OT. His epic battle with the Emperor and Vader was private. No witnesses. What Luke did in TLJ is epic and witnessed by many on both sides. I wouldn’t be surprised if Leia set the base to film and broadcast it before they exited.

Many comments here have taken the First Order superiority so far to be that they are in charge. There is no evidence of that. Not enough time has passed. The remains of Starkiller Base are not even cool yet. We have not heard of a single system that they have conquered and subjuated. The victory over the Empire has not been lost just yet, only the government that refused to prepare for the fight Leia could see coming. Only the Hosnian system and Takodana have been lost to the First Order, not the entire Galaxy. And after what Luke did and how it spread (the real purpose of that scene at the end), the legacy of the OT is intact. What they fought so hard for has not been lost yet, only endangered. Kylo Ren and General Hux still have to conquer something or all they have done is destroy the capitol.

This whole crapping on the OT nonsense is based on things that just aren’t in TFA and TLJ. Luke had a bad spell, but he came out of it. That is a very mythological thing to do. An old hero now fills the mentor role and is reluctant to get involved again due to some past tragedy. They ST is just following on with the same sources that inspired GL back in 74 to start this journey. And I think he is likely the source for the core story here. I think they threw out his characters and created some new ones that are more in tune with modern audiences like Luke, Han, and Leia were in tune with the 70’s and 80’s. I think that is one mistake of the PT, GL greated heroes that were in tune with some other period besides the 90’s and millennium. To me they feel more like the heroes of 50’s epics like Ben Hur.

So I think everyone who feels that TLJ is crapping on the OT is missing things and assuming things that any diehard Star Wars fan should be picking up on. Do you have to like it? No. But you need to see what the story is, and where it has been, and the origins of all of it before you come down on this movie like this. Sure it didn’t go where you expected. What is wrong with that. Sure it derailed the victory that the OT led to, but pay attention to the story. Not enough time has passed for that victory to be destroyed. They are building it up to create an even stronger victory. Luke may not have had success at rebuilding the Jedi, but he has passed on some important lessons to Rey. He passed on his failure so she can learn from it and the ancient texts of the Jedi. What the OT ended with was, in truth, uncertainty. It ended with the potential and intent to rebuild the Republic. But the government that resulted was weak. After the First Order are defeated, the galaxy will clamor for a strong Republic, like what we hoped they’d get. The ST won’t tear down what the OT left us with, but it has to throw a wrench in the works to shake things up so what we end up with is stronger than before. The ST heroes are there to finish what the OT heroes started.

Wow, you’ve really put a lot of thought into this post. Unfortunately I disagree with you in everything, especially the last sentence. The OT heroes finished it already. RotJ is an ending. You don’t have to destroy their victories so that the ST heroes can have their victories on top of the OT heroes’. That’s just, from my point of view, Rian Johnson doing whatever he can to destroy everything that’s within his reach simply because he can, to prove some sort of point to someone. To surprise everyone! Woohoo!! Plot twist baby, Darth Vader killed the Emperor!

Wait… didn’t he?

Yes, just like Kylo killed Snoke. Ironic

Classic Rian Johnson destroying everything, that rascal.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

At $330, they better have good sound. The headphones I usually use are less than $20.

At the risk of threadcrapping…this. I don’t get you fancy headphone people.

Haha this, except I do have headphones, but I got them for like $15.

Collipso said:

yotsuya said:

First, what is the basis for Star Wars? While Lucas used Campbell’s mythical hero’s journey to craft the characters and a lot of the story, Star Wars is really based off of Flash Gordon, Buck Rogers, Foundation, Dune, and a host of others, not to mention some solid, real world history. But even if you go back to the classic myths, what is one thing that holds true for each and every inspriation? Victories don’t last. Flash fought Ming over and over again. Buck Rogers had a new foe with every adventure. The Foundation faced a critical crisis generation after generation. Dune had crisis after crisis, often costing characters their lies. And in mythology, every victory lasted until it was time to tell another story. How many victories did Hercules have? What was always going to be true of a sequel - things were going to fall apart.

So, what is the setup we have now? Things fell apart. The Republic never got strong (a very realistic approach - far more so than the EU New Republic), a powerful foe rose up on the Rim and is poised to seize power. Revolutionary governments do not last. Why did the US last? Because we cut off the head and left the structure in place. The first revolution in France and Russia didn’t last because it didn’t have anything to fill the power vacuum. So it is very realistic that the Republic created by the allies of our heroes has failed. And note, that they failed to heed Leia who was already leading a resistance to the First Order. Luke had a huge failure that drove him to find the first Jedi temple and to hide there when it didn’t give him any answers. Han lost the Falcon, but ended up with a bigger ship. Virtually all of the failures are no on our old hero’s heads, but on others. The Republic fails because they don’t listen to Leia. Ben falls because he is listening to Snoke, not Luke. Our heroes have not failed so much as been ignored by the next generation. When they should be retiring, they have to go back at it and lead a new fight. But along comes a new set of heroes to pick up the reigns and learn from the great heroes of the past. Classic mythological story telling.

And the story so far has taken place over weeks. The New Republic capitol was destroyed, the First Order is poised to take over, but they have not done so. They have to take over each planet, each system. They have to put a structure in place. Leia’s allies didn’t respond to her call because the are preparing to defend themselves from the First Order. But Luke showed up just when Leia needed him in just the way she needed him - larger than life, legendary, the great Jedi and hero. Luke’s last stand spread like wildfire with even a stable boy (there is nothing ever indicating he is a slave) and his friends on a far off planet hear about what Luke did. Luke again restored hope in a way he never did in the OT. His epic battle with the Emperor and Vader was private. No witnesses. What Luke did in TLJ is epic and witnessed by many on both sides. I wouldn’t be surprised if Leia set the base to film and broadcast it before they exited.

Many comments here have taken the First Order superiority so far to be that they are in charge. There is no evidence of that. Not enough time has passed. The remains of Starkiller Base are not even cool yet. We have not heard of a single system that they have conquered and subjuated. The victory over the Empire has not been lost just yet, only the government that refused to prepare for the fight Leia could see coming. Only the Hosnian system and Takodana have been lost to the First Order, not the entire Galaxy. And after what Luke did and how it spread (the real purpose of that scene at the end), the legacy of the OT is intact. What they fought so hard for has not been lost yet, only endangered. Kylo Ren and General Hux still have to conquer something or all they have done is destroy the capitol.

This whole crapping on the OT nonsense is based on things that just aren’t in TFA and TLJ. Luke had a bad spell, but he came out of it. That is a very mythological thing to do. An old hero now fills the mentor role and is reluctant to get involved again due to some past tragedy. They ST is just following on with the same sources that inspired GL back in 74 to start this journey. And I think he is likely the source for the core story here. I think they threw out his characters and created some new ones that are more in tune with modern audiences like Luke, Han, and Leia were in tune with the 70’s and 80’s. I think that is one mistake of the PT, GL greated heroes that were in tune with some other period besides the 90’s and millennium. To me they feel more like the heroes of 50’s epics like Ben Hur.

So I think everyone who feels that TLJ is crapping on the OT is missing things and assuming things that any diehard Star Wars fan should be picking up on. Do you have to like it? No. But you need to see what the story is, and where it has been, and the origins of all of it before you come down on this movie like this. Sure it didn’t go where you expected. What is wrong with that. Sure it derailed the victory that the OT led to, but pay attention to the story. Not enough time has passed for that victory to be destroyed. They are building it up to create an even stronger victory. Luke may not have had success at rebuilding the Jedi, but he has passed on some important lessons to Rey. He passed on his failure so she can learn from it and the ancient texts of the Jedi. What the OT ended with was, in truth, uncertainty. It ended with the potential and intent to rebuild the Republic. But the government that resulted was weak. After the First Order are defeated, the galaxy will clamor for a strong Republic, like what we hoped they’d get. The ST won’t tear down what the OT left us with, but it has to throw a wrench in the works to shake things up so what we end up with is stronger than before. The ST heroes are there to finish what the OT heroes started.

Wow, you’ve really put a lot of thought into this post. Unfortunately I disagree with you in everything, especially the last sentence. The OT heroes finished it already. RotJ is an ending. You don’t have to destroy their victories so that the ST heroes can have their victories on top of the OT heroes’. That’s just, from my point of view, Rian Johnson doing whatever he can to destroy everything that’s within his reach simply because he can, to prove some sort of point to someone. To surprise everyone! Woohoo!! Plot twist baby, Darth Vader killed the Emperor!

Wait… didn’t he?

paja said:

So if anyone was going to make a movie what camera would you use?

Depends on the budget/skill set.

ray_afraid said:

Collipso said:

I don’t think we need important things happening all the time.

Anybody else think it’d be cool if TFA was titled Ep. 10? Even if a middle trilogy was never made (and I’d hope it wasn’t), it would inspire imagination the way titling ANH Ep. 4 did and be a cool way to acknowledge that some important things have happened in the meantime. Maybe just me.

Yes, I’ve had that thought (and mentioned it here) a few times before.

Collipso said:

DominicCobb said:

Part of the thing is that Luke/Leia/Han are no longer the central heroes. So expecting them to show us these big events in their lives is expecting a different approach entirely. They are no longer the focus.

Plus, part of the idea here is starting at the lowest point (or near close to it) and finding the hope and fighting forward for the light from there.

I agree with you, but starting at the lowest point with a new hope is literally the plot of the OT, and we’ve already seen it.

No, it is the premise of the OT in simply the vaguest of definitions.

NeverarGreat said:

Here’s a test of the scene at night:
https://vimeo.com/250045636
Password: sand

I had to selectively brighten our heroes and key out the water, which was only moderately successful.

That’s great, I’ve taken a different approach entirely (more of a twilight look) so we’ll see what people think.

Part of the thing is that Luke/Leia/Han are no longer the central heroes. So expecting them to show us these big events in their lives is expecting a different approach entirely. They are no longer the focus.

Plus, part of the idea here is starting at the lowest point (or near close to it) and finding the hope and fighting forward for the light from there.

ray_afraid said:

DominicCobb said:

People who are mad that things got turned upside down in the ST didn’t truly want the ST to begin with (and that’s okay).

That’s not true. Just because someone didn’t want things reset to our heroes being a small band of rebels against a huge empire again doesn’t at all mean that they didn’t want more stories. It’s not as if there’s no other story to tell.

I’m not saying the ST had to be this exact story, but, barring something stupid as shit like an extragalactic threat, it was always going to be some sort of version of this.

For the ST to have stakes and not be entirely worthless and without meaning, the victory at the end of ROTJ had to be challenged to some extent, and the characters had to be something other than the boring, irreproachable and unharmable “heroes” we got in the EU.

I think it’s pretty disingenuous to say they’ve killed all the OT heroes. They only killed Han and Luke. We have no idea what they’ll do with Leia, and if they do kill her, it’s very possible that they only did so because their hands were tied.

Not to mention saying that Luke died as a failure… well obviously if you think that you missed the point entirely.

Victories aren’t forever, everyone dies. Once again, I go back to what I keep saying. People who are mad that things got turned upside down in the ST didn’t truly want the ST to begin with (and that’s okay).

Frank your Majesty said:

SilverWook said:

Why should Kylo be telling the truth? He’s misled Rey once already.

I don’t think he’s lying. Before he reveals who Rey’s parents are, he says she should know it and then he’s surprised that she doesn’t. Maybe Snoke manipulated his vision of Rey’s parents, as he established the connection between Rey and Kylo in the first place, but personally, I like the idea of Rey Random too much to believe that.

She does know it though. She’s the one that says they’re nobody.

You could probably make the argument that no film in history has had as much an impact as Star Wars.

Matt.F said:

Dom, quite possibly, but why didn’t they include Zuvio’s scene on the Blu Ray? One possible and legitimate reason to exclude it might have been because it had been partly repurposed for the vision scene?

Well there was a lot of deleted stuff that wasn’t included, who knows why. Maybe because it was too short, too long, unfinished, part of a subplot that was dropped, no idea. I sincerely doubt it was repurposed for the vision scene for a LOT of reasons, the most obvious being that the guy in the vision looks nothing like Zuvio, beyond a vaguely similar hat.

I’d be interested to hear, what is your interpretation of the Kylo massacre snippets we see?

I think it’s just a random massacre to show the menace of Kylo Ren/the dark side (perhaps their first mission once they joined Snoke). I think it’s entirely possible that it was originally intended to show the massacre of Luke’s students, but that’s obviously no longer the case.

Yep, they only make action figures for significant scenes.

Most likely he was just in an extended scene of Rey at Niima Outpost.

Hal 9000 said:

Here is the nighttime scene for anyone to take a stab at. I’ll edit the prior post to include it:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ijkUtOTbBsQu3OChi0hRm9FMjU3tdq0K

I’ll go for it, shouldn’t be too hard.

By the way, if anyone else wants to take a stab at that “Padme” Boleyn footage, be my guest, it is a pain in the ass and will take me more time to crack than I thought.

Also, couple thoughts on Mala’s suggestions:

• I found a very easy way to incorporate the beginning of the elevator scene, basically once Obi-wan and Anakin slice up the battle droids, we cut to the elevator going up the elevator shaft and stopping at Dooku’s. I can upload a preview to show what I mean if you want. Thing is, I’m thinking about cutting it out anyway, because the scene ends up kinda pointless without any elevator antics to pay it off. Rather than use any of the R2 stuff, though, I think the easiest and shortest solution would just be to cap the scene with the “Roger, roger” joke from the deleted scenes. But I don’t have an upscaled source of that, so as is the scene is just kind of there.

• The way I included the third rebellion scene and the apartment scene is back to back, right after Obi-wan goes to hyperspace. Though you need to also include the nightmare to make this work, but basically you go from Palpatine sensing betrayal in Padme to Anakin dreaming about Obi-wan delivering the baby, adding a bit of jealous paranoia there that was cut out of the theatrical film. The tricky thing is to place the scene here, you need to cut out Padme saying “he came by this morning,” which is possible, but tricky.

I am positive if Kevin Sorbo was a liberal, no one would even know.

Matt.F said:

Mocata said:

Matt.F said:

Dude Kylo kills doesn’t look much like a ‘student’ looks like Zuvio.

Just a design coincidence. Zuvio is still in a few frames of Jakku.

So Jedi padawan students wear helmets now? Okay…

Just because it’s not Zuvio doesn’t mean it’s a Jedi student. In fact, it’s neither (we have no idea who it is).

Hardcore Legend said:

DominicCobb said:

Hardcore Legend said:

Collipso said:

What’s the problem with Rey’s vision of seeing her parents leave in a spaceship? I’m sure that would be extremely traumatic. Why do they have to be important people simply because she saw them leaving? Yes, the way it was setup left the audience wondering who are those people, and if we knew them. But the characters weren’t giving any fucks at all, except for Rey. I don’t see what’s the big deal about it. Simply because we saw them leave, it doesn’t make them more important or less, or changes who they are.

They were junkers that sold her for beer money but had a fancy ship they could leave the planet on? I guess they could have sold her for passage off the planet but Kylo says they are buried there on the planet.

I assumed the ship crashed. I honestly didn’t even consider it a potential discrepancy, I mean I suppose there is room for different interpretations (and who knows maybe JJ will incorporate the parents somehow?) but either way I don’t think it’s that big a deal.

Furthermore, it is implied Kylo knows her (or at least JJ was leaning that way). Besides the “what girl” line, in the novelization he says to her in the forest “it IS you!”

“What girl” is precisely because he doesn’t know her - “why is there someone else on Jakku who would be helping the droid escape and a kid, no less?”

When he says “It is you” he’s referring to the awakening he and Snoke felt. This is really the only reasonable interpretation in the context of not only TLJ but just TFA by itself. The line doesn’t make sense in any other way, unless you’ve built up an elaborate alternate completely unspoken of series of events in your head. (It’s likely they cut it out of the film because people would read things into it that weren’t there)

Why would you assume the ship crashed? There is nothing to imply it does. Rey cries out to the ship “come back” and she spends the entire film talking about waiting for her family to come back and get her.

Why would I assume that? Because the question is (has been since TFA), if Rey’s parents left, why haven’t they come back? When Kylo speaks to Rey, the answer is because they’re dead. Which is why I assumed the ship crashed, though I suppose any manner of things could have happened.

All of it could have been misdirection by JJ, but there is a list of things that imply that everyone knows more about Rey’s family than she does:

No, the opposite.

-Kyle’s “WHAT girl?”

I just explained this.

-the way JJ cuts away from Maz the second she asks Han “who’s the girl”

Because Han is explaining information we already know. When we next see Maz, and she talks to Rey, she says that Han told her about wanting to go back to Jakku.

-the vision she has of the ship flying away and the girl crying out to it

I don’t see the problem here? Like, at all? Rey’s parents left here. That remains unchanged.

The idea that seeing this contradicts with what Kylo said is kinda silly. Did we really need him to spend five minutes explaining everything that happened?

-after talking to Han, Maz telling Rey the lightsaber “it belonged to Luke’s father, and Luke and now it calls to you” as if there is an importance to that line

They were both powerful Jedi/force users. Meaning, the lightsaber is calling to Rey because she has that power. If Maz thought they were related, she would have just said that, instead of saying “your parents are never coming back.”

-we now know all the visions have been things that actually happened, including Rey being there when the Knights of Ren and Kylo massacre the rest of the students in the rain and then he turns to attack Rey

That’s a completely unrelated massacre. And even if it was the temple, how does that imply Rey is related to someone?

The implication is Han, Maz and Kylo know who she is and that she is important. Maz makes her lineage seem important. Kathleen Kennedy has said that the saga films are about “the next generation of Skywalkers”. For the saga films to not die with this trilogy: Kylo has to be redeemed (which would be tough), Rey has to be a Skywalker, or Kylo wins and survives ending this trilogy on a down note.

No one has said they’re continuing the saga films after IX. In fact, they’ve said the opposite. Of course I don’t doubt they’re considering it, but don’t count on this being a reason.

Again, all of this could be classic JJ mystery box stuff but even RJ said that Abrams did not tell him where he was going with Rey’s parents so it appears RJ took all of these clues JJ left and threw them in the trash.

Rey’s parents have always been the same thing. JJ and RJ were on the same page about this.

Which is why I still think that when JJ returns he gives Rey a Skywalker parent.

The one thing I could actually see would be to make Rey an honorary Skywalker of some sort (like maybe Leia adopts her?). Not likely, but possible.

Handman said:

NeverarGreat said:

I thought there was a good point about villains in this article:

“Our current reality is a complicated one, colored in shades of gray, and we’re well past the fairy-tale idea that in this world there is good and there is evil just because. Movie villains that are simply cackling wrongdoers in this day and age register as false.”

Maybe this is one reason why people have so much of a problem with paltry and secondhand Snoke character elements lifted from the Emperor - the Emperor was a villain from a more morally polarized age.

I call bullshit on that. Star Wars was meant to be a fairytale amidst all the morally gray films we were getting in the 70s. It was never meant to parallel reality. Why should it?

That’s not exactly correct, the goal was more so to bring back fun into cinemas, while all the other films were dreary and depressing.

Nowadays, things are different. In the multiplexes you’ve got plenty of Star Wars-esque fun entertainment. Which means it’s time for SW itself to upgrade past unambiguously evil villains (the kind which have taken a toll on stuff like the MCU for years).

Not to mention, from the beginning George was inspired by real life politics (Nixon, Vietnam) so I don’t necessarily think telling a morally black vs white story was ever the main goal (there are plenty of things in the OT that don’t quite adhere to that anyway). Obviously the idea was always for the films to reward morality and decency and selflessness and compassion, but that doesn’t mean they had to be so strictly moral all the way through.

Hardcore Legend said:

Collipso said:

What’s the problem with Rey’s vision of seeing her parents leave in a spaceship? I’m sure that would be extremely traumatic. Why do they have to be important people simply because she saw them leaving? Yes, the way it was setup left the audience wondering who are those people, and if we knew them. But the characters weren’t giving any fucks at all, except for Rey. I don’t see what’s the big deal about it. Simply because we saw them leave, it doesn’t make them more important or less, or changes who they are.

They were junkers that sold her for beer money but had a fancy ship they could leave the planet on? I guess they could have sold her for passage off the planet but Kylo says they are buried there on the planet.

I assumed the ship crashed. I honestly didn’t even consider it a potential discrepancy, I mean I suppose there is room for different interpretations (and who knows maybe JJ will incorporate the parents somehow?) but either way I don’t think it’s that big a deal.

Furthermore, it is implied Kylo knows her (or at least JJ was leaning that way). Besides the “what girl” line, in the novelization he says to her in the forest “it IS you!”

“What girl” is precisely because he doesn’t know her - “why is there someone else on Jakku who would be helping the droid escape and a kid, no less?”

When he says “It is you” he’s referring to the awakening he and Snoke felt. This is really the only reasonable interpretation in the context of not only TLJ but just TFA by itself. The line doesn’t make sense in any other way, unless you’ve built up an elaborate alternate completely unspoken of series of events in your head. (It’s likely they cut it out of the film because people would read things into it that weren’t there)