What about blaming the suits for making Rogue One bad? That film is obviously calculated to the T.
Nope.
Are you really going to pretend that R1 wasn’t a film that revolved entirely around getting characters from one Star Wars-looking location to the next?
I don’t really even understand what this means.
Yep.
It looks terrible. Is that picture an unfinished effect?
It’s practical (with, I believe, some digital enhancements).
It doesn’t matter if you liked it or not. I’m kinda hot and cold with it, but I’m not pretending the stuff I didn’t like is the product of corporate boardroom calculations.
What about blaming the suits for making Rogue One bad? That film is obviously calculated to the T.
Nope.
Love the animatronics.
Honestly, there’s antagonism on both sides. That side just happens to have more people.
Sure.
Classic warb.
Whomever was behind the decision making, I don’t like TLJ. I think I have the right to not like it.
Because we totally said you didn’t have the right.
But it was made quite clear my opinions weren’t welcome in the TLJ threads.
Warb, people complain about TLJ on this forum everyday.
Honestly, there’s antagonism on both sides. That side just happens to have more people.
The Disney films are the director’s vision being made with massive amounts of input from Disney/LFL overlords who don’t care about Star Wars.
Citation needed.
Would you prefer Solo to be directed by people who turn Han into a lovably comical rogue, or to have KK step in and replace them with a director who will do justice to the character?
I would prefer that Disney allows the people who they hired in the first place to make the picture they feel works best. And maybe I’m wrong about the studio execs not caring about Star Wars, and I apologize for making baseless claims, but I’m not getting any glimpses of the contrary from what has been happening with the new films.
Kennedy hired them, not Disney. Kennedy is the producer, she has the creative right to fire them, whether justified or not.
Kennedy is part of the Disney machine now. She runs one of their biggest moneymakers.
And it is in her best interest to make the best possible film (something she isn’t a bad authority on).
Also, just because you don’t like the movies they’ve made doesn’t mean your speculations are right. Baselessly blaming “studio interference” for everything is a completely sophomoric way of looking at things.
I blame studio interference when there is more attention to things (like shoving in recognizable crap from the original films) that are completely devoid of any artistic merit, because it seems like the most obvious reason.
But that’s still baseless. That kind of thing is usually referred to as “fan service.” Well, the filmmakers are fans, so…
Presumably they aren’t fans to the point of wanting to damage their film with distracting nonsense.
They probably realize that whether their movie has a Ponda Baba cameo or not isn’t really the type of thing that has much of an impact on the movie’s overall quality.
There’s a certain antagonism here toward people that don’t like the Disney movies. It’s similar to the antagonism directed toward people that don’t think the prequels are the worst films ever made.
You can like what you like. I just get annoyed when people make ridiculous claims about made up boogeymen. It encourages a very shallow type of film criticism that is all too common these days. I’d feel the same way even if I disliked the movies.
The Disney films are the director’s vision being made with massive amounts of input from Disney/LFL overlords who don’t care about Star Wars.
Citation needed.
Would you prefer Solo to be directed by people who turn Han into a lovably comical rogue, or to have KK step in and replace them with a director who will do justice to the character?
I would prefer that Disney allows the people who they hired in the first place to make the picture they feel works best. And maybe I’m wrong about the studio execs not caring about Star Wars, and I apologize for making baseless claims, but I’m not getting any glimpses of the contrary from what has been happening with the new films.
Kennedy hired them, not Disney. Kennedy is the producer, she has the creative right to fire them, whether justified or not.
Kennedy is part of the Disney machine now. She runs one of their biggest moneymakers.
And it is in her best interest to make the best possible film (something she isn’t a bad authority on).
Also, just because you don’t like the movies they’ve made doesn’t mean your speculations are right. Baselessly blaming “studio interference” for everything is a completely sophomoric way of looking at things.
I blame studio interference when there is more attention to things (like shoving in recognizable crap from the original films) that are completely devoid of any artistic merit, because it seems like the most obvious reason.
But that’s still baseless. That kind of thing is usually referred to as “fan service.” Well, the filmmakers are fans, so…
Whomever was behind the decision making, I don’t like TLJ. I think I have the right to not like it.
Never said you didn’t.
Giving George all the artistic credit for the OT vastly overlooks the many people on staff at the time who overrode ideas of his that would have ruined the films.
The OT was built out of more talented people bringing a good end product from George’s ever-changing vision for the story. The PT was built out of George’s (still ever-changing and seemingly unfinished) personal vision being controlled by himself alone because nobody else wanted to take the helm from him. Both were still built around his artistic vision, the thing that brought the OT to perfection was that everyone else added their own vision into George’s.
I didn’t give the prequels a pass. I just said they are slightly less soulless.
I would argue the opposite because their writer/directors are people who actually care about making Star Wars.
I didn’t give the prequels a pass. I just said they are slightly less soulless.
I’m not sure though how working for Disney automatically leads JJ Abrams, Gareth Edwards, Rian Johnson, or Ron Howard (among the many others involved) to create soulless works.
The Disney films are the director’s vision being made with massive amounts of input from Disney/LFL overlords who don’t care about Star Wars. They care about money. George Lucas cared about money and his personal vision of Star Wars. I also might argue that Rian Johnson doesn’t care about Star Wars, but I don’t know how much of TLJ was interference from the studio heads, and I actually don’t want to argue about that because it would amount to flinging basement cat poo. I also don’t like JJ Abrams (as a filmmaker).
You don’t have to tell me you don’t know much, that’s plainly evident. Don’t talk about shit you know nothing about.
Could you phrase this as an actual response to my opinions? Because I have no idea what you’re referring to, and I also see no reason for the overall insulting tone.
I guess I’m just tired of people making ridiculous proclamations based on nothing more than speculation and the opinions of other cynical nerds on the internet.
If you want me to be specific, there’s been basically zero evidence of interference by Disney “overlords.” Everything anyone has said has been that Disney is pretty hands off with their subsidiaries, which actually just makes sense, put the trust in the creators to make good stuff and the money will follow. When studios interfere (like Fox did for awhile), you usually get bad results. Studios aren’t stupid.
Also, there’s no such thing as LFL “overlords.” Kennedy is the CEO but she’s also the producer on these films, which means not only is she allowed to be involved creatively, she is supposed to be. There’s also the story group, which is literally just a team of writers that the filmmakers can use to brainstorm with. Everything anyone has ever said about the team at LFL has been positive and in no way are they forcing input, just offering it. You could say “ah bullshit, they’re just lying,” though if you think about it that doesn’t really make sense. Obviously if you had an unpleasant experience you’re not going to be open about it and badmouth your employers, but you’re also not going to go out of your way to make up nice things about them. Also, it’s tough to lie when there are so many people involved with these movies talking about them. People on the internet make up so much shit about how these movies were made without doing any research. Most of it is documented in the “Art of” books.
As for what I was referring to in your post specifically, you said that Rian Johnson doesn’t care about Star Wars but you implied maybe the things you didn’t like it were studio interference, then you said you don’t know much about the subject, which I think is obvious. If you’ve read literally any interview with the man, you’d know he loves Star Wars. This is even clearer in his longer form interviews, and in the aforementioned “Art of” books (I imagine it’s obvious in the behind the scenes stuff too). Saying TLJ might’ve been the victim of studio interference is demonstrably untrue, when there’s literally a quote out there from Johnson explaining why he did what on pretty much every decision made on the film.
Also, there’s an incredibly obvious argument as to why you know Disney didn’t “interfere,” and how you know the big decisions were being made by the filmmakers. Do you really think they would’ve done that to Luke? Fuck no. If this was the meddling money grubbing conglomerate you guys claim, we would’ve gotten exactly what the fans “wanted”: https://twitter.com/EnnieArdi/status/976181971578707968
The Disney films are the director’s vision being made with massive amounts of input from Disney/LFL overlords who don’t care about Star Wars.
Citation needed.
Would you prefer Solo to be directed by people who turn Han into a lovably comical rogue, or to have KK step in and replace them with a director who will do justice to the character?
I would prefer that Disney allows the people who they hired in the first place to make the picture they feel works best. And maybe I’m wrong about the studio execs not caring about Star Wars, and I apologize for making baseless claims, but I’m not getting any glimpses of the contrary from what has been happening with the new films.
Kennedy hired them, not Disney. Kennedy is the producer, she has the creative right to fire them, whether justified or not.
Also, just because you don’t like the movies they’ve made doesn’t mean your speculations are right. Baselessly blaming “studio interference” for everything is a completely sophomoric way of looking at things.
I haven’t seen TLJ, but I don’t see how anyone could describe TFA or R1 as films with any kind of creative or artistic vision. I’m not even saying that as an insult to them. There are plenty of Bond movies or other films that I love and find entertaining as hell that have no real creative or artistic vision, but I don’t find the Disney SW films entertaining. And since they don’t entertain me or interest me and they don’t have heart, I can’t appreciate them as films.
I’m not sure you’re the best person to judge if a movie “has a heart.” (joking, I guess I need to clarify)
Giving George all the artistic credit for the OT vastly overlooks the many people on staff at the time who overrode ideas of his that would have ruined the films.
The OT was built out of more talented people bringing a good end product from George’s ever-changing vision for the story. The PT was built out of George’s (still ever-changing and seemingly unfinished) personal vision being controlled by himself alone because nobody else wanted to take the helm from him. Both were still built around his artistic vision, the thing that brought the OT to perfection was that everyone else added their own vision into George’s.
I didn’t give the prequels a pass. I just said they are slightly less soulless.
I would argue the opposite because their writer/directors are people who actually care about making Star Wars.
I didn’t give the prequels a pass. I just said they are slightly less soulless.
I’m not sure though how working for Disney automatically leads JJ Abrams, Gareth Edwards, Rian Johnson, or Ron Howard (among the many others involved) to create soulless works.
The Disney films are the director’s vision being made with massive amounts of input from Disney/LFL overlords who don’t care about Star Wars. They care about money. George Lucas cared about money and his personal vision of Star Wars. I also might argue that Rian Johnson doesn’t care about Star Wars, but I don’t know how much of TLJ was interference from the studio heads, and I actually don’t want to argue about that because it would amount to flinging basement cat poo. I also don’t like JJ Abrams (as a filmmaker).
You don’t have to tell me you don’t know much, that’s plainly evident. Don’t talk about shit you know nothing about.
I didn’t give the prequels a pass. I just said they are slightly less soulless.
I would argue the opposite because their writer/directors are people who actually care about making Star Wars.
They also have more memes.
Because they are bad.
Obviously there is no right or wrong when it comes to opinions, but I find it strange that TLJ is your favorite with tfa being your least favorite.
It’s certainly a unique opinion.
No.
I am right on the OOT point.
Sorta. We haven’t been given an official explanation. The closest was speculation from an LFL employee that they are adhering to George’s wishes. You’d think the corporate asshole in them would be eager to do the double dip.
I saw someone somewhere saying they got a zip folder of their Facebook data and it included record of every phone call with their partner’s mother of the last several years, but didn’t seem to list many other calls.
Same guy as the article.
Alright, exported and uploaded. I’ll be sending out shortly.
No deadline for feedback or whatever, just get back to me when/if you can. Any and all notes are welcome, though I will say stuff like “I don’t like this scene” isn’t necessarily helpful, unless you give reasoning as to why. I’d specifically say that I’d like notes on the narrative structure (particularly the first half), and how you feel about the believability of Anakin’s turn. Technically, I didn’t export full quality, so don’t worry too much about compression or whatever. I would like people to keep an eye out for my color correction (if it works, it it looks good, if it’s gone too far in spots, whatever) and especially my audio editing (no my strong suit).
(by the way, if you’re wanting to take a close look at the color, I’d recommend playing in VLC, no Quicktime, which I’ve recently learned messes with the saturation)
There are other things I’ll ask for feedback on after people have watched, but I don’t want to color your opinions about these things beforehand.
Also, don’t feel like you have to give a lot of feedback or whatever, only give as much as you can/are willing to. No obligations here, just happy for whatever help I can get.
No.
Why do you find specifically Disney’s treatment of star wars so bad compared to before? We didn’t have the oot then either, so yes that’s bad but it’s not something Disney put in place. And I understand you don’t like the sequel trilogy and while I do I understand people not liking it but I don’t see how anybody could rationally say they aren’t better than the prequels. Even if they are less original than the prequels, they are way more competently made.
I can appreciate that the prequels at least came from somewhere that wasn’t a corporate board-room meeting. Rogue One being almost entirely reshot is an example of the soulless corporate meddling and the lack of any real vision. I get that the films are more competently made, but there’s nothing particularly interesting, memorable, or stylistic about the technical aspects so it doesn’t mean too much to me since I find the Disney movies at least as boring as the PT. I also think that the PT was slightly more creative than the new movies, and that means something to me.
Nope.
My hair’s dirty blonde but I want to dye it black.
Now the question of whether or not you’re emo has finally been answered.
Yeah I suppose I am, I’ve started wearing all black as well.
Sending my condolences to your future, embarrassed self.
I like to use strong language.
EDIT: I also hate how Disney is monopolizing the industry and buying up every entity in sight.
Don’t disagree with you there.
