DominicCobb

kk650 said:

DominicCobb said:

towne32 said:

Secondly - I was wrong, KK650. The yellow tint does seem to be applied evenly across the film based on what Dre is saying. I don’t get how applying a single setting on the top of a 2.5hr film is in any way what a professional in the industry should get paid for doing. shrug

There’s a lot more that goes into professionally grading a film than that.

Of course but it doesn’t change the fact that after all the scenes have been selectively colour graded, a final blanket tint is added over the whole film for many many releases these days. Like towne32 I don’t understand why they do it. Why do all the work selectively colour grading each scene just to add a blanket yellow/green tint to the whole film at the end that dullens all the colour choices they made before, I just don’t get it.

I just mean that it’s weird to act like the only thing they did was give it a blanket tint, which is what towne23 implied. There’s nothing wrong with disliking the tint, it wasn’t my favorite either.

towne32 said:

Secondly - I was wrong, KK650. The yellow tint does seem to be applied evenly across the film based on what Dre is saying. I don’t get how applying a single setting on the top of a 2.5hr film is in any way what a professional in the industry should get paid for doing. shrug

There’s a lot more that goes into professionally grading a film than that.

Hardcore Legend said:

DominicCobb said:

Well, I’m not arguing the semantics of the words “tragedy” and “redemption.” We know what I’m saying. Ben’s turn to the dark was lamentable, and I believe he should have the chance to turn back to the light.

Whereas Ben and (a handful of students with him) killed only the remaining students (less than a dozen) after his teacher tried to murder him.

Unless we are believing Luke is lying, Ben had already turned to Snoke by the time they had their fateful moment in the hut.

I don’t see any reason to doubt Luke, but we’re talking about Ben burning the temple and killing the other students, which happened after Luke entered his hut. Whether it would have happened anyway or if Luke pushed him over the edge is somewhat ambiguous at this point. But I think you could very easily make the argument that Anakin would’ve turned to the dark side without the extra motivation of seeing Mace swing a lightsaber at Palpatine.

Hardcore Legend said:

I think this is what got deleted?

DominicCobb said:

I honestly don’t understand this mindset but I now it’s very prevalent. The only way I can figure is people are used to Vader being redeemed because they saw that movie when they were a kid, while with Kylo he’s the guy almost singlehandedly responsible for ruining the lives of characters they loved when they were kids. That’s really the only explanation that makes sense to me.

I don’t think that has anything to do with it. Once you know Vader is Luke’s father, you look back and see that everything Vader does in ESB and ROTJ is to be reunited with his son. It shows a level of humanity for the monster. Also, his lines about the Force show that he still holds to a belief in something.

Reunited makes it sound like he wants to hang out with look and play catch. No, he wants Luke so he can have help in overthrowing the Emperor and ruling the galaxy himself, still on the dark side.

Everything Kylo has done is for revenge. Revenge against his father, his uncle, his mentor. He has no reverence for anything (kill the past). Other than his feeling of being alone, there is nothing there but hatred, petulance and rage. It would be difficult to create movement towards redemption with only 2 hours left in this saga.

Everything he’s done has been to prove himself to the dark side, whether that be for Snoke or his own sake. Deep down, he has a real heart, with the darkness being a front that has given him nothing but pain. Turning back to the light is easy, all he has to do is realize that he’s fucked up, something he’s been on the verge of for two movies straight.

Likewise, I don’t know how you create any conflict in Rey over not killing Kylo. We leave TLJ with her, Luke and Leia agreeing Kylo is a lost cause. Her doing a 180 in 2 hours is a tough sell, especially since she already spent last film going down that path.

It’s a lot more nuanced than you make it out to be. Rey created a strong connection with Ben. Just because she closed the door on him at the end of TLJ doesn’t mean she’s 100% resolved against him. I think her feelings will remain conflicted.

As for Luke, he never says Kylo is a lost cause, just that he can’t save him. I think there’s a clear distinction there, and a reasonable one (I can’t imagine Luke in particular having that ability with him).

As for Leia, she’s believed in the good in Ben for so long, and it’s only then in that one moment of despair when the weight of all the loss she’s ever experienced hits her as she thinks it’s all over that she says she thinks her son is gone. And then Luke, of course, says “no one’s ever really gone.”

Well, I’m not arguing the semantics of the words “tragedy” and “redemption.” We know what I’m saying. Ben’s turn to the dark was lamentable, and I believe he should have the chance to turn back to the light.

As for Anakin, trying to save Padme makes his turn slightly more noble, but no less greedy and selfish. And his sudden “Palpatine must stand trial” appeal is ridiculous, yeah he knew it’s not the Jedi way, but that hasn’t stopped him before, and it was clear Palpatine was a deadly threat who was literally just trying to kill Mace. Not to mention he had very little reason to buy Palpatine’s story that the Jedi were plotting to take over. Whereas Ben and (a handful of students with him) killed only the remaining students (less than a dozen) after his teacher tried to murder him.

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

If Swiss Army type knives are allowed, I don’t see what the problem is. I can’t think of a single good reason to be carrying a knife besides those listed. Honestly I’m struggling to find what’s wrong with anything in that law.

The main problem I see is that there is no clear and universal definition for a “disguised knife.” What about a switch-blade? I own one of those.

I’d imagine so. It’s illegal in a lot of states here too.

If Swiss Army type knives are allowed, I don’t see what the problem is. I can’t think of a single good reason to be carrying a knife besides those listed. Honestly I’m struggling to find what’s wrong with anything in that law.

If you consider the prequels canon, Vader was a school shooter too, and a much bigger school at that.

The situations are different. Sure we know Anakin was “a good friend,” but that then he was “seduced by the dark side of the Force.” On the other hand, we are told that Ben seemingly struggled with a darkness inside him from a young age (due to the “Vader in him”), and was manipulated and seduced by Snoke specifically. So while Vader is implied to have turned because of a greedy quest for power, Ben is implied to have turned because he was exploited and possibly (in a way) brainwashed into doing so.

I’d honestly argue that Ben’s story is more tragic, and to see him die a full villain would just be plain sad.

Did some posts get deleted here?

Hardcore Legend said:

DominicCobb said:

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Hardcore Legend said:

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Hardcore Legend said:

DominicCobb said:

Vader was a much worse person.

In the OT? Nah.

After we have his backstory fleshed out, yes. The poor younglings!

Yes in the OT. Sorry that you like Han Solo more than Obi-wan.

He didn’t kill Obi-Wan

Um, what?

Darth Vader did not kill Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan became one with the Force before the blow was struck.

That’s a frankly ridiculous hair to split that has essentially no bearing on this conversation whatsoever.
You brought it up, not me.

Even if you believe Vader killed ObiWan, he did so in battle. Kylo murdered his unarmed father.

If you think Vader wouldn’t kill an unarmed Obi-wan you are deluding yourself. Not to mention when he makes the killing blow, Obi-wan has stopped fighting and has left himself open to being cut down.

ImperialFighter said:

DominicCobb said:

Did you just say Lando has bad hair?

…and a suspect taste in shirts too.

Oh now you’re asking for it

Did you just say Lando has bad hair?

Hardcore Legend said:

DominicCobb said:

Hardcore Legend said:

DominicCobb said:

Hardcore Legend said:

DominicCobb said:

Vader was a much worse person.

In the OT? Nah.

After we have his backstory fleshed out, yes. The poor younglings!

Yes in the OT. Sorry that you like Han Solo more than Obi-wan.

He didn’t kill Obi-Wan

Um, what?

Darth Vader did not kill Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan became one with the Force before the blow was struck.

That’s a frankly ridiculous hair to split that has essentially no bearing on this conversation whatsoever.

Hardcore Legend said:

DominicCobb said:

Hardcore Legend said:

DominicCobb said:

Vader was a much worse person.

In the OT? Nah.

After we have his backstory fleshed out, yes. The poor younglings!

Yes in the OT. Sorry that you like Han Solo more than Obi-wan.

He didn’t kill Obi-Wan

Um, what?

Hardcore Legend said:

DominicCobb said:

Killing Threepio would be the worst thing that could ever happen in a Star Wars movie.

I would like, if possible, for one last film where C3PO, R2, Chewie are vital supporting characters to our lead.

They haven’t been since the OT. I think we just gotta accept that. Though I would argue that Chewie in TFA has a fairly sizeable role (and he’ll be big in Solo!).

Let’s go look for Lando, Kylo’s real father!

I am hoping they fit Lando in IX somewhere.

Hardcore Legend said:

DominicCobb said:

Vader was a much worse person.

In the OT? Nah.

After we have his backstory fleshed out, yes. The poor younglings!

Yes in the OT. Sorry that you like Han Solo more than Obi-wan.

Killing Threepio would be the worst thing that could ever happen in a Star Wars movie.

dahmage said:

DominicCobb said:

Remembering all those who claimed they wouldn’t release a second Solo trailer before the film came out. Praying they have the strength to make it through this difficult time.

Was I one of those?

Not sure. I can pray for you either way.

Remembering all those who claimed they wouldn’t release a second Solo trailer before the film came out. Praying they have the strength to make it through this difficult time.

Vader was a much worse person.

Hal 9000 said:

I remember hearing a rumor that Leia’s role in Ep9 would be to beckon Kylo Ren back to the light side of the force, that she would be his path to redemption.
With Carrie Fischer having left us, I wonder how it would work to still have that point be the thematic core of his arc, but to focus on her absence. At the end of TLJ, Kylo Ren is left empty and alone with a great deal of power. He decided to spare Leia from death when he had the chance early in the film, and the act of Rey closing the Falcon door on him to me spoke a message something to the effect of, “You are captive to the decisions you make, and you cannot count on others to hold out hope for you forever; there is a point at which it is too late.”

What if Ep9’s story related to Kylo Ren explores that idea? Part of Kylo assumed that Leia being alive would always allow for an “out,” but now she is gone and he is totally alone and self-absorbed. It could be a way to address Leia’s real-life absence in a thematically meaningful way, whether he is redeemed and/or dies or not.

I’ve had similar thoughts. It is a true shame that we’ll never have a scene of them together, but there is still a way to delve into that relationship. If Leia dies before a face to face encounter with Kylo, I could easily see how that might impact Ben emotionally in ways he didn’t expect. The lack of closure there could be a powerful motivator in making him realize the emptiness and loneliness that he has in his position with the First Order on the dark side.

I’ve probably said it here before, but if Kylo’s going to turn to the good, he’s going to have to be proactive and do it himself. The Vader method of Luke meeting up and lending a hand hasn’t worked, we’ve seen Han, Rey, and Luke (kinda) make that effort with him, and he’s rejected. They can’t keep trying, if Ben’s going to go that way, he’s the one who’s going to have to put that effort in, and he’s going to have to see for himself that that’s what he really wants.

Also, just uploaded the second workprint cut, will be sending it out. If you’ve already seen the first, feel free to skip this one, as the changes are pretty minimal (mainly just fixing the glitches and some other small things). I’ve done a new crawl too, but I might post that by itself soon too to get some wider feedback on that specifically.

RogueLeader said:

I got halfway through your first cut, but I would like to see your second one too Dom.

Sure thing. I hope there were reasons you didn’t make it all the way through that don’t have anything to do with the quality of the edit!

I did have a question about the first cut as well. If I’m not mistaken, I noticed that you had reordered a number of scenes between the Chancellor rescue and Anakin’s turn. I was wondering if you would care to elaborate on your motivation to move around some scenes (either in this thread or in a private message).

Yes I did, mostly going off L8wrtr’s reordering though with some additional heavy borrowing from Hal. The main idea being to put emphasis on Anakin’s relationship with Palpatine. With the big change of putting the Plagueis convo upfront, we’re getting Palpatine is the first and best solution to Anakin’s problem that he’s hearing. After that, hearing the Jedi method from Yoda (basically do nothing and get over it), doesn’t sit well with him. Everything that happens after on goes further to put Anakin on Palpatine’s side and against the Jedi.

I could go more in depth but I’m weary of boring people.

Zerome, what you said was inconsiderate and immature (at best). That’s not me name calling, that’s just how it is. Hopefully this won’t take up ten more pages.

Anyway, mfm, have you tried the Song of Ice and Fire books?

Stuff gets posted here constantly without any sort of credit.