Oh no, medal is 100% gone. I think there’s a deleted scene that makes that work but until that emerges, it has no place in the film. I’m talking about the First Order captains medallion.
Is it the similar/same as with Hal’s? (Sorry I lose track) since his does implement the “broadcast” but it definitely comes across as more transmission then … announcement. Lol.
Yeah I maybe I worded what I said poorly but basically yes I liked how Hal did it so I’ll probably just copy him exactly.
I agree if you want to use part of the Fornite Broadcast to make it more like a transmission or even part of a conversation to the FO would be the best use for it since using it as is is more cheese than anything else, personally. It would be great if one could get like a line from either Pryde, Hux, or Kylo saying something and then you hear palp’s response to it/parts of the wording from the broadcast could be good and help sell it. If possible.
Could work, but I think it’s probably fine without it. The way it’s presented, I don’t think anyone would guess it’s supposed to be a “broadcast” unless you know the behind the scenes of where the audio comes from.
What’s new in the next workprint? Can’t wait for a good Rey nobody version
The usual fixes to things I noticed and/or people gave feedback on, plus
As well, a few people suggested I use the Fornite broadcast like Hal did, which I pushed back on. But now having watched his edit, you really don’t get the impression at all that it’s some silly “broadcast,” the implication seems more like a transmission from Palps to FO officers that they merely intercepted. So I’ll probably put that in.
I’m also toying with the possibility of an alternate version that cuts out both the medallion and the super lasers (I realized you can’t just cut the former). I’m gonna try some things now but that probably won’t be part of this workprint.
Also couple of other minor tweaks I’m considering, plus some more extensions no one will notice.
Anyone I haven’t gotten in contact with about a link - haven’t forgotten, just be patient, the last workprint has been taken out to pasture. New one should be done in the next week or two.
Two Quick question.
Does the chess scene was moved to the end (like Hal and some other faneditors did) in this edit?
I really like this idea but have decided not to do it myself, for a couple reasons - I personally like Rey making the journey by herself and I also like the scene as a sort of a resting beat in that first hectic third.
Does this edit contain other Hal’s change- Palpatine explaining to Kylo that if he kills him he ll overtake his body instead of stupid explaining it to Rey?
I think this is another interesting idea, but no, I didn’t do it. I think the information isn’t completely relevant at this point and would just cause confusion.
Is this a 100% Rey Nobody version?
I would say yes, but maybe depends what you mean by 100%?
I agree that the shot of the castle could use something more to feel integrated into the rest of the scene. I think some trees would certainly help. I also think it might make sense for the lava flow to be dried up and the castle more ruinous if possible.
Yes I think there was some talk about how it’d look more legit if the lights were turned off as it were in Vader’s castle. As well there’s probably some potential for more changes in the other shots - adding lava flow to the tree shot and some of the shots with Kylo, darkening the ground that Kylo’s on. Just ways to tie it all together. Beyond my abilities of course.
Re: the saber effects, are the shots that kewlfish made available or are we still waiting on that?
I think while John Williams should have been an executive producer for the music from the trilogy, i think Michael Giacchino should have been the main composer. His work on Rogue One helped implement the old music while also bringing something completely new.
I don’t like the idea of the music in the new trilogy simply being a ‘‘greatest hits’’.
Good thing it’s not that and Williams brought his A game with three scores that are better than Rogue One.
Has it been disproven, or was it abandoned as being his theme? I honestly had never heard about it before, and am curious if there is a legit source…
Does Finn have a theme in TLJ/TRoS? Does he have a theme at all?
There was never a source. People just speculated that it might be his theme since he was in the scenes featuring it, and the other new characters (Rey, Kylo, Poe) each received a theme. But the evidence is against it since there are moments in the film that are Finn specific without anything like that motif, and Williams only reprised it once in the next two films (when BB-8 fixes Poe’s X-Wing in TLJ - nothing to do with Finn). Since Williams reprised every other new theme he created for TFA, it seems unlikely that he would abandon just one.
More likely he didn’t have a theme, and never got one. It wouldn’t be unusual, Lando never got a theme, Padme never got a theme, Obi-wan and Luke’s themes both became more general, and Han didn’t get a theme until 2018.
Apparently, the “Pursuit” motif from TFA was meant to be a theme for Finn
Source?
It’s just a common fan theory that I would argue has been disproven by TLJ and TROS.
I processed and added the effects for Hal’s scene, do you want the files that sound more like radio chatter?
Hey, I might PM you about this. I like the way it’d one in Hal’s but am considering some slight retiming for my edit.
This is kind of a lame reasoning, but I think it makes sense:
I would argue against anything that tries to vary Rey’s lightsaber from Kylo’s, because if it looks somewhat similar but ultimately different, it’ll feel like a fan edit trying to replicate Kylo’s effect, but not being able to make it look right. Personally it feels cleaner to go the kewlfish/Luka Frik route, which seems legit to my eyes, rather than something that falls into sort of an uncanny valley territory.
I believe I suggested the idea as well awhile back. I can’t watch that scene without thinking of that missed opportunity. I’d love to see it if some wizard could possibly whip it up.
All credit to you if you posted it first lol. Either way I like the way ya think!
Oh I’m sorry I didn’t mean to take credit or anything, not even sure if I came up with the idea or saw it somewhere else. Just that there are others who want it too!
I know this has probably been decided now, but I think adding that shot someone made of the TIE fighters circling around Vader’s castle to the shot of them flying over the woods would be fantastic to add in.
This is my latest update to those shots for anyone interested.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ljyIlZ1PLpPmhSpuPNktDqtBWP2vZ_8O/view?usp=sharing
Looks great. I think someone suggested removing the red glow from Vader’s castle which would be great as it’s supposed to be abandoned.
I believe I suggested the idea as well awhile back. I can’t watch that scene without thinking of that missed opportunity. I’d love to see it if some wizard could possibly whip it up.
And then at 25 seconds ish these are two spots where the hair moves that seem a bit too clearly masked:
And this is the shot that too me makes Luke look awkwardly wide:
By the way, would strongly suggest anyone who hasn’t already look at a comparison between the original and jonh’s work. It’s truly insane, night and day.
Hello! These are the shots in which it has been possible for me to change Luke’s hair, there are other shots in which it is impossible: a thousand generations … it is impossible, for me at least.
I have also lost two kilos of weight to Lukehttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1wxCRU-kV6rx8nPENzKqWPD3lBv0a2c4F/view?usp=sharing
Great work jonh! We knew you could do it.
Couple little nitpicks:
- At around :14/:15 you can see some residual blue glow flare up in the background to the left of Luke
- At around :25 when the hair blows, the mask seems a bit obvious since the hair moves by the edge stays the same
I also wonder if there’s some way you could thin up the shot where Luke stands up and says “there’s something my sister would want you to have”? That one always stands out to me, I think it’s more a matter of the angle and the robe making him look bigger but he just looks strange there to me.
can you tell me where exactly? with screenshots, to fix it ?😉
At 00:00:15:07
It’s tough to see in still but look at that part of the frame in motion and you’ll see the blue flare up a bit.
Now that I got my fine toothed comb out, I also noticed some stray pieces of hair at
00:00:13:00
00:00:13:02
00:00:14:06 (and in the same spot the frame before and after)
00:00:14:08
00:00:15:12
I can give black robes in the final scene a shot, but I’m not entirely sold on the symbolism. Are they black because it’s a funeral of sorts, or to imply she’s integrated Ben Solo somehow, or to imply something about the force alignment of her new generation of Jedi?
I feel like the black robes would make most sense in the part of the movie where she’s worried about turning to the dark side, to draw a closer parallel to her vision of Sith Rey - but then you’d lose the white/black duality between her and Ben on Kef Bir and Exegol, which would be a shame.
Yes I agree it’d work better for the rest of the movie since it’s all about her struggle with the dark side. I think in the final scene it’d show some sort of reconciliation of the darkness within her. Moreover, I just think it’s lame that she wears the same exact thing as before. She’s changed a lot and is now on the next step of her journey. Even just change itself is a bit of symbolism.
Hello! These are the shots in which it has been possible for me to change Luke’s hair, there are other shots in which it is impossible: a thousand generations … it is impossible, for me at least.
I have also lost two kilos of weight to Lukehttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1wxCRU-kV6rx8nPENzKqWPD3lBv0a2c4F/view?usp=sharing
Great work jonh! We knew you could do it.
Couple little nitpicks:
I also wonder if there’s some way you could thin up the shot where Luke stands up and says “there’s something my sister would want you to have”? That one always stands out to me, I think it’s more a matter of the angle and the robe making him look bigger but he just looks strange there to me.
While we’re imagining up visual changes to make Rey more interesting in this film, I know we’d all have loved if she wore black throughout, but that seems like a big ask, VFX-wise. But what if she wore a black or even a gray outfit in the final scene? Or maybe black with white wraps? Might be more doable.
Kind of building on the idea of the crackly Skywalker saber, I think it could be interesting if during Kylo and Rey’s duel on the Death Star, that Rey’s saber was almost becoming “overloaded” from the constant saber-clashing, and starts shorting out by the end of the duel. For example, in the shot where Rey sort of shakes her hand, you could have the saber fluttering in and out. Then finally, when Kylo keeps hammering away at Rey while she is on the ground, we could see the saber give out while Kylo is raising his to deliver the final blow. This would give a reason for why Rey grabs Kylo’s saber and stabs him with it, rather than just using her own.
I think it would add an interesting aspect to the duel that we haven’t really seen before, where our characters are dealing with a malfunctioning weapon. It also gives Rey a practical reason for why she inevitably builds her own.
Love it!
That is extremely cool, and your version of the entire opening works well!
For TROS:A I’d love to add just the modified RO castle shot and add the castle over Kylo’s shoulder. I wonder if the RO shot could even lose the red glow, as though it’s just dead and static inside even?
Yeah I was thinking the same things.
I didn’t have the effects & presets option ticked. This is a game-changer. 😃 What grain settings do you use?
Here’s a second pass
https://vimeo.com/496432736
pw: faneditLooking at it now, Maybe the trees should be roto’d but that’s a little out my league for now.
In the final second you can just about see the whole thing drifting to the right a bit. And the whole thing seems a little bit too dark. Otherwise looks good!
Dom, Frink’s perma-ban was for ‘continued derailing threads / and spread unrelated forum drama across the site - despite multiple previous requests & warnings not to do so, and then followed by temporary bans.’
This was after a temp-ban a few weeks earlier for ‘repeated derailing of threads, flaming/baiting, personal attacks etc… despite multiple requests, PMs, and warnings not to continue’.
Before this, there were other similar issues over a considerable length of time with Frink - with him even admitting he had derailed threads on here.
Haha, the constant derailing of threads was my favourite part about this place. 😃 But to each their own.
I agree. Not to keep this going on much longer, but that’s exactly the sort of thing that I meant when I mentioned the change in modding style. Sometimes a discussion naturally moves onto something else for a bit, sometimes people make jokes that don’t directly contribute to the discussion. But those are the reasons that many people like forums, they’re the things that make them feel alive, like real communities. The stricter modding and excessive organization can kind of kill that energy.
I think a lot of us still remember TV’s Frink being permbanned years ago, not for rule breaking, but for just “being annoying” according to Jay. Have to imagine there’s still some bitterness towards the general style of moderation that has lead to some of these longtime users feeling like the site has become a different place. People seemed to like Off Topic much more when it didn’t have such strict and sometimes confusing moderation.
But it’s fine. The projects sections still live on. Not every site needs an off topic section that people care about.
I understand how you feel RL. I actually kind of think the movie’s biggest sin is what it did to Finn and Rose, separately and together. No follow through whatsoever. It’s frustrating because it’s easy to think of so many little things they could have done - the star destroyers are remote or manned by Sith Troopers who are clones or robots, or Finn uses the comms tower to send a message to the crews of the SDs to abandon ships. Finn could have had a line to Jannah to convince her to join the Resistance, Finn and Jannah and co. could have had stormtrooper armor in the final battle to signify where they came from. But no, no, no. Unfortunately I don’t know how much we can do.
I recall hearing that in TROS, they intentionally keep Luke’s right hand concealed within his cloak. Not sure why; of course he doesn’t have a robot hand as a ghost. Right?
Yeah I noticed this. Clearly just didn’t want to have to answer that question.