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- The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Thanks. Typically I use Handbrake or just Adobe Media Encoder. Will have to see what works.
Thanks. Typically I use Handbrake or just Adobe Media Encoder. Will have to see what works.
Oh yeah maybe it’s a Mac thing. Hmm. Do people have go to conversion/transcoding softwares they use?
Here’s my clip of Vader’s Castle with dimmed lights
http://www.mediafire.com/file/yqc05kidwmuzfkk/Fortress.avi
Anyone here with Premiere having issues trying to use this? Not sure if it’s the avi wrapper or whatever codec was used.
Same goes for Luka Frik’s lightsaber clips. Wonder if Premiere just doesn’t play well with .avi? Anyone know?
I can’t see the difference between a dark/navy blue and purple or blood red and woodland green. It’s a nightmare being a colour blind graphic designer.
Damn, just thought. I’m not sure if my source footage has the Skenera’s LUT added. Once these scenes are done it shouldn’t be an issue to switch them out if I make a mistake. (Be awake 25 hours and counting)
This is what I was wondering. Would definitely be best if you remove any LUT before exports.
Yeah, it’ll try to remember for the next lot of scenes. I’m wondering how the LUT will change this effect.
Just to recap, tone down blue or lighten blue? And reduce the mist in the cave?
Reduce mist yes. The blue is hard to say without seeing the effect on an uncolor corrected shot. To me the shot looks overwhelmingly blue compared to the original, but I don’t know how much of that is added blue glow and how much is potentially the LUT.
Good practice in general is to do the effects on uncolor corrected footage, and then apply the LUT on a layer above both. Things can get weird if you change the order of operations, but also if you’re sharing the work it’s just better for generation loss if everyone applies the LUT on their end.
Hope that all makes sense!
I can’t see the difference between a dark/navy blue and purple or blood red and woodland green. It’s a nightmare being a colour blind graphic designer.
Damn, just thought. I’m not sure if my source footage has the Skenera’s LUT added. Once these scenes are done it shouldn’t be an issue to switch them out if I make a mistake. (Be awake 25 hours and counting)
This is what I was wondering. Would definitely be best if you remove any LUT before exports.
Looks excellent as usual. Will say the mist is a really nice touch but a bit too obvious, would tone that way down. As well I kind of think the added blue glow is a bit unnecessary, sort of overpowering. But then I’m not sure how much of that is what you’ve changed for this and what you’re doing in general in terms of color correction, as I’ve noticed, color-wise, your clips look a bit different than the film.
Can we add a scene of Ben pulling Vader’s ship out of the water, set to the Yoda Theme?
But actually, I don’t suppose it would be possible to place the model of [whichever ship is chosen] somewhere on the Death Star? It’s not something that ruins anything for me, but it would be a way of addressing a potential plot hole.
You know what I call a “potential” plot hole? Not a plot hole.
The profit-making shit show that is Fixing Disney Star Wars
Dude, let it go! You have no idea how much they’re spending on each project nor how much is being donated. Non profile doesn’t mean designers/vfx artists/voice actors works for free. 🤦🏻♂️
Who ever it was used EbSynth from what I recall.
Yes, it’s true that there isn’t necessarily any profit-making involved. However, that still doesn’t give them the right to collect funds to create content based upon intellectual property that isn’t their own. Star Wars Theory funded his fan film entirely through his own funds, and he didn’t restrict access to seeing his work based upon whether you are paying him directly or not. If the Fixing Disney Star Wars team had a Patreon, and simply posted their content for everyone to see on YouTube while saying, “Hey, if you like us, feel free to support us financially through donations” then it wouldn’t be a problem. It becomes a problem when the content itself (which isn’t their property even if they create it) is an incentive to supply funding. Yes, it sucks to have to spend that much money on stuff, but they aren’t being forced to do any of that work. It should be coming solely from their ambition as fans of the franchise.
You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. Star wars theory funds his films with donations and YouTube money. He even says “without you guys these fan films wouldn’t be possible”. It’s kinda boring having the same argument on different threads so I’ll leave it there.
No you don’t know what you’re talking about. I clearly made that distinction in my argument. I have no qualms with donations. The problem comes when you restrict access to content that isn’t intellectually yours based upon whether you donated or not.
Their team literally just said that for 2 months the only way you will be able to see their fan edit is if you pay them via SubscribeStar. If that isn’t illegal then I don’t know what is.
Yeah that’s not a grey area, that’s plainly just money in exchange for a product using someone else’s intellectual property - a clear violation of copyright law.
For the continuity nerds/sticklers/what have you, who’s to say that Vader is the only one with a TIE advanced?
Oh it’d be subtle for sure, which I’m fine with
I think the shuttle looks pretty ridiculous, personally.
I posted a test of black robe Rey earlier in the thread, which might be the one you’re thinking of. I used EBSynth but it still required a lot of manual masking because the tracking wasn’t great. You can see around her shoulders where I had to mask the original footage back in because EBSynth kept wanting to spread the black to the background as the shot pans (probably would’ve made more sense to start with the ending frame and process it backwards…).
I did try a test of one shot of the end scene using Rotobrush 2.0 instead, but I couldn’t get that to track any better, so it still required me to do a bunch of almost frame-by-frame masking - ultimately I decided it added basically nothing to the film for the time investment and stopped working on it.
Wow, that actually looks excellent.
That said, I can only imagine the time such an endeavor would take so I get it. But if some brave wizard ever decides to one day take up the challenge, I’d forever be in their debt. In the meantime, if it’s only for the one scene, maybe there’s someone out there who would be willing to take the time? No? No one wants to put their whole life aside for this small change? Well, I can dream…
Well the music isn’t an issue. Ed Slushie had that music in his upload, but we can literally just put any audio there.
As for the visuals, I think with some more tweaks it can become passable enough to be worth what it adds to the setting. It will always look CGI, but there are already way uglier effects in this movie.
Well certainly on the music you’re right, that’s obviously changeable. But I disagree on the second part, there isn’t anything in the film that looks like this.
I mean those help (and there are ways to push it further - proper frame rate as you mentioned, film grain, higher contrast/darkening the shadows), but I just doubt it’d ever look legit.
The other big issue is the music choice, which is too upbeat for this moment.
Also tbh we’re kinda killing time while stuff like Rey’s blade and Luke’s hair are worked on.
Well if that’s the case, speaking of ways to slow down the movie’s pacing: here’s a small edit I made that adds an establishing shot of the cave on Ajan Kloss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVGEK6ENDiQ&feature=youtu.be
As much as I appreciate the idea, it just looks very obviously like a video game to me unfortunately.
I think that’s a very good point. I had the same thought and have looked on and off for a better second shot with burnt trees to match, but so far no dice.
Anyways, just hard a spark of inspiration. You know that rust colored cloth that Rey wraps the sabers in? What if it was recolored to be black, and we saw there was a bit of a hole in it. So now she’s not just burying Luke and Leia’s belongings, but Ben’s as well?
Hey, Dominic. I know I’m going to sound oblivious for saying this, but is your edit done, and will it be released in 5.1 surround sound?
Edit is not done, working on a second workprint right now. 5.1 will happen at some point, either upon official V1 release or maybe a V2.
When the title was first revealed, I assumed it referred to A) The rise of the Skywalker legend, with tale of Luke’s heroics spreading throughout the galaxy and igniting the spark of rebellion, and B) Ben Solo, the last Skywalker, rising from darkness, like Jake said. I even considered the idea the film would’ve revealed that Luke ascended to a higher plane of the Force, where he could interact with the living more directly, as if he rose from the dead. Either way, I think if those first two plot points I mentioned were kept or emphasized more, then the title still works.
Basically there’s three different things that go into making the title work. Luke’s legend, Ben’s turn, and Rey’s taking the mantle. The film as is dropped the first bit, did the second one in the background mainly, and made the third one explicit. This is my thought though. I’m trying to reintroduce the first bit, but it’s still very minimal. If I remove the explicit third bit, and leave it as a subtle thing, that’s essentially three background/subtle explanations for the title. In every other film I think the title is a bit more obvious, so that’s where I’m at with that.
They have a link to their Parler account in the description. That’s gonna be a very hard no from me.
I think I’ve mentioned wanting to cut the medallion in here before. I’m not really crazy about some of the edits you have to make to have it work, but it is a really egregious piece of business. As if the film needed yet another mcguffin to explain.
Anyway the thing I realized too is that without it there’s kind of no reason to suspect that Zorii hasn’t left Kijimi, so the weight of destroying the planet isn’t really there. So if you cut the medallion you gotta go whole hog and cut the planet destroying weapons too, I feel. Which I’m not 100% against but personally I don’t really find necessary. So that’s why I’m saying it’d be an alternate cut.
The other alternate cut thing I’m toying with is removing “Rey Skywalker,” and replacing with “Just Rey.” The thing here is I kinda wonder if you do that, do you then need to change the title at that point. Arguably the idea that Rey is fulfilling the Skywalker legacy remains but I feel like the film as is is too messy to get that point across enough for it to be the title without this scene, if that makes sense. I don’t like changing titles, so that’s where “alternate cut” comes in. In this scenario, I’d name it Duel of the Fates to at least be in keeping with what was at one point the title of the film officially.
Awesome, thanks!
In your cut do the heroes simply sneak onto the destroyer?
Removing the medallion would be in an alternate cut, but yeah pretty much.
Speaking of making their romance more explicit, it does remind me of a test clip that I found on my laptop that I totally forgot I made. https://streamable.com/pwg1wp
@poppasketti
(would be interesting to see in Rekindled)Amazing how well that all lines up! RL, is there an edit point in the music? Either it does time out nicely. I don’t think I’d use it for Rekindled, because I prefer some moments to just be generally quieter.
Having said that, I do think the music tweaks just made during the duel in Ascendant works quite well! I agree that I think it swells a bit too loud at around 1:01, and maybe the actual DotF theme could come down a little, but great work.
poppa! Maybe I missed it, but did you make those Coruscant shots available to download?
Oh no, medal is 100% gone. I think there’s a deleted scene that makes that work but until that emerges, it has no place in the film. I’m talking about the First Order captains medallion.
Is it the similar/same as with Hal’s? (Sorry I lose track) since his does implement the “broadcast” but it definitely comes across as more transmission then … announcement. Lol.
Yeah I maybe I worded what I said poorly but basically yes I liked how Hal did it so I’ll probably just copy him exactly.