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#1222337
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Mavimao said:

DominicCobb said:

Mavimao said:

Here’s an excellent article on The Last Jedi and why it has elicited such a backlash from fans.

http://observer.com/2018/07/film-crit-hulk-the-beautiful-ugly-and-possessive-hearts-of-star-wars/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Hmm

DominicCobb said:

Insightful look on the film and its response (I guess I should say I don’t agree with everything said, but it’s worth reading):

http://observer.com/2018/07/film-crit-hulk-the-beautiful-ugly-and-possessive-hearts-of-star-wars/

Sorry! I hadn’t seen your post!

Ha, no worries. Just funny that it wasn’t til you posted that people noticed. I think some people have me on “ignore” (and perhaps justifiably so).

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#1222324
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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I fail to see why her actions are illogical (or “throw the universe into chaos” haha okay), in or out of the world of the film, but whatever, you do you. You seem to be doing exactly what Hulk is suggesting, only accepting ‘what you would do’ as correct, and everything else as plot hole, whether it makes sense for the characters or not.

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#1222309
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

NeverarGreat said:

From the article, talking about the ‘fans’:

They never call it “bad logic” when it’s something they like.

Or when it’s something that makes them feel good. This reveals everything. Because there are plenty of things I find objectionable in a given film and could apply a logic argument to, but I don’t. Because that’s not the point of storytelling, nor why I’d really find the given issue to be objectionable. It’s all about how characters grow, change and are in conflict in one another.

I feel like a creator should always have the intended audience in mind, so as best to know when they can get away with narrative cheats. For example, if the audience is invested in a familiarly textured story, such as the first third of TFA, you can have one coincidence after another and the audience will buy it because they want to be immersed in this world.

However, if you’re giving the audience something new, something difficult and perhaps uncomfortable to deal with, you want to make sure that your story logic is absolutely sound because the audience will be closely examining the rules of the world to make sure that the movie still ‘works’ for them.

In regards to TLJ, he’s saying there’s no bad logic in the first place, just people projecting it onto situations they don’t personally like. Are you just saying they needed to go the extra mile to make the logic of everything clear? Just seems like unnecessary hand holding to me, and I’m sure you’d still get people criticizing that aspect of the film anyway.

In general, I agree with him. Criticisms about logic and plot holes are some of the basest anyone could come up with. Rarely do they have much to deal with what’s actually important about the movie’s story. Most movies are not logic puzzles, Star Wars especially.

Yet logic used in stories is like grammar used in poetry. We can forgive poetic license, since it serves a purpose, but in general the words should adhere to some grammatical structure (logic) to make sense. The existence of poetic license should not be used as a free pass for a poor grasp of grammar.

There is in story “logic,” and there is out of story real world logic, which may or may not even apply to the story depending on the complaint.

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#1222300
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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NeverarGreat said:

From the article, talking about the ‘fans’:

They never call it “bad logic” when it’s something they like.

Or when it’s something that makes them feel good. This reveals everything. Because there are plenty of things I find objectionable in a given film and could apply a logic argument to, but I don’t. Because that’s not the point of storytelling, nor why I’d really find the given issue to be objectionable. It’s all about how characters grow, change and are in conflict in one another.

I feel like a creator should always have the intended audience in mind, so as best to know when they can get away with narrative cheats. For example, if the audience is invested in a familiarly textured story, such as the first third of TFA, you can have one coincidence after another and the audience will buy it because they want to be immersed in this world.

However, if you’re giving the audience something new, something difficult and perhaps uncomfortable to deal with, you want to make sure that your story logic is absolutely sound because the audience will be closely examining the rules of the world to make sure that the movie still ‘works’ for them.

In regards to TLJ, he’s saying there’s no bad logic in the first place, just people projecting it onto situations they don’t personally like. Are you just saying they needed to go the extra mile to make the logic of everything clear? Just seems like unnecessary hand holding to me, and I’m sure you’d still get people criticizing that aspect of the film anyway.

In general, I agree with him. Criticisms about logic and plot holes are some of the basest anyone could come up with. Rarely do they have much to deal with what’s actually important about the movie’s story. Most movies are not logic puzzles, Star Wars especially.

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#1222287
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Mavimao said:

Here’s an excellent article on The Last Jedi and why it has elicited such a backlash from fans.

http://observer.com/2018/07/film-crit-hulk-the-beautiful-ugly-and-possessive-hearts-of-star-wars/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Hmm

DominicCobb said:

Insightful look on the film and its response (I guess I should say I don’t agree with everything said, but it’s worth reading):

http://observer.com/2018/07/film-crit-hulk-the-beautiful-ugly-and-possessive-hearts-of-star-wars/

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#1222090
Topic
The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
Time

snooker said:

Random thoughts:

Would the ‘Asteroid Field’ from the ESB soundtrack work during Obi-Wan vs Jango in the asteroid field? Or does that song only work with the falcon?

I think that scene works pretty well without music.

Would Tie Fighter Attack work anywhere, either?

I have a spot for it in my AOTC edit.

JEDIT:

I remember an older version of the “New Canon Cut” of Ep 3 having ‘Luke and Leia’ playing over the birth of the twins and it sounded pretty rad.

Interesting.

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#1221953
Topic
All Things Star Trek
Time

chyron8472 said:

DominicCobb said:

pittrek said:

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

m_s0 said:

Meanwhile, in Discovery news:

https://deadline.com/2018/06/star-trek-discovery-james-duff-joins-executive-producer-overall-deal-jenny-lumet-olatunde-osunsanmi-promoted-1202419818/

EXCLUSIVE: The Closer creator James Duff has joined CBS All Access’ Star Trek: Discovery as executive producer. It is part of an overall development deal he has signed with series producer CBS TV Studios.

Additionally, writer Jenny Lumet (Rachel Getting Married), who joined the series as a consulting producer at the start of Season 2, has been promoted to co-executive producer. Co-executive producer Olatunde Osunsanmi has been upped to executive producer and will serve as the series’ producer/director based on set in Toronto.

Yes, let’s bring more people in who are in no way veterans of the franchise or know what makes Trek feel like Trek.

That’s ridiculous. Only people who are Trek veterans are allowed to work on Trek? Come on.

Well having SOME people who understand Star Trek on board would be nice

You don’t have to be a veteran to “get” Star Trek.

Also, I don’t think the show’s main issue is “not getting Star Trek.”

What would you say the main issue is?

Subpar writing in general.

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#1221906
Topic
All Things Star Trek
Time

pittrek said:

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

m_s0 said:

Meanwhile, in Discovery news:

https://deadline.com/2018/06/star-trek-discovery-james-duff-joins-executive-producer-overall-deal-jenny-lumet-olatunde-osunsanmi-promoted-1202419818/

EXCLUSIVE: The Closer creator James Duff has joined CBS All Access’ Star Trek: Discovery as executive producer. It is part of an overall development deal he has signed with series producer CBS TV Studios.

Additionally, writer Jenny Lumet (Rachel Getting Married), who joined the series as a consulting producer at the start of Season 2, has been promoted to co-executive producer. Co-executive producer Olatunde Osunsanmi has been upped to executive producer and will serve as the series’ producer/director based on set in Toronto.

Yes, let’s bring more people in who are in no way veterans of the franchise or know what makes Trek feel like Trek.

That’s ridiculous. Only people who are Trek veterans are allowed to work on Trek? Come on.

Well having SOME people who understand Star Trek on board would be nice

You don’t have to be a veteran to “get” Star Trek.

Also, I don’t think the show’s main issue is “not getting Star Trek.”

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#1221900
Topic
Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
Time

Collipso said:

well, if characters were to survive after an explosion and getting sucked to space, space battles would have no tension at all. not when force users are the pilots at least.

Of course there’s still tension, the same way there’s tension in an Earthly aerial dogfight. If your fighter explodes, you’re likely not making it. If you are lucky enough to make it out alive, even if you’re a force user, there’s still the danger of a battle still on going, and where exactly you’re going to go to save yourself.

i do recall a clone wars episode where plo koon and three clones survive outisde for a very short period of time - and they explicitly say that plo koon survives because of the mask he uses and that the clones survive because of their armor.

They’re out there for quite awhile with no issue. Interesting that they don’t implode or whatever people think happen.

and the kanan example shared above lasts for basically 5-10 seconds, and you can clearly see that he was almost, well, freezing to death already. i was under the impression leia was floating in space for a couple of minutes at least.

Don’t think it was that long for Leia. Also notice that Kanan is back on his feet immediately, while Leia is in a coma for most of the rest of the film.

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#1221887
Topic
<em>Solo: A Star Wars Story</em> — Official Review and Opinions Thread — <strong>SPOILERS</strong>
Time

dahmage said:

DominicCobb said:

I don’t think Disney is worrying even a microscopic bit about their investment. If they haven’t already recouped the $4bil, they will soon, or at the very least at some point in the next hundred years (hint, it won’t take more than a couple more years at most if it hasn’t happened already).

yeah, i doubt they are having buyers remorse. I mean, there is so much more to owning a property like star wars than just movies (Which are doing just fine). The theme park tie-in’s haven’t even opened (have they?), and our family just bought us some awesome personalized star wars merch for our son, so yeah, overpriced merch is still around 😃

And it’s not just Star Wars, they have a new Indiana Jones coming out in a couple years too.

Solo failure or not, Disney probably still feels lucky it was only $4bil.

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#1221861
Topic
<em>Solo: A Star Wars Story</em> — Official Review and Opinions Thread — <strong>SPOILERS</strong>
Time

I don’t think Disney is worrying even a microscopic bit about their investment. If they haven’t already recouped the $4bil, they will soon, or at the very least at some point in the next hundred years (hint, it won’t take more than a couple more years at most if it hasn’t happened already).

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#1221848
Topic
All Things Star Trek
Time

chyron8472 said:

m_s0 said:

Meanwhile, in Discovery news:

https://deadline.com/2018/06/star-trek-discovery-james-duff-joins-executive-producer-overall-deal-jenny-lumet-olatunde-osunsanmi-promoted-1202419818/

EXCLUSIVE: The Closer creator James Duff has joined CBS All Access’ Star Trek: Discovery as executive producer. It is part of an overall development deal he has signed with series producer CBS TV Studios.

Additionally, writer Jenny Lumet (Rachel Getting Married), who joined the series as a consulting producer at the start of Season 2, has been promoted to co-executive producer. Co-executive producer Olatunde Osunsanmi has been upped to executive producer and will serve as the series’ producer/director based on set in Toronto.

Yes, let’s bring more people in who are in no way veterans of the franchise or know what makes Trek feel like Trek.

That’s ridiculous. Only people who are Trek veterans are allowed to work on Trek? Come on.

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#1221583
Topic
TV shows you have loved
Time

ChainsawAsh said:

DominicCobb said:

ChainsawAsh said:

TV’s Frink said:

NBC had a couple of great “Must See TV” Thursday lineups.

The Cosby Show / Family Ties / Cheers / Night Court
Mad About You / Wings / Seinfeld / Frasier

Friends / Seinfeld was hard to beat but there were never good shows in the other two slots.

You’re forgetting The Office / Parks and Recreation / 30 Rock / Community. Best comedy lineup of the last decade.

They still have the best comedy line up on network TV right now (though that’s a very low bar) because of The Good Place and Superstore.

They’ll be adding Brooklyn Nine Nine to that lineup soon! Haven’t seen Superstore though, how is it?

Yeah I’ve finally started watching B99 and it is good. Superstore is pretty consistently funny and would definitely recommend.

I’m sorry to say though that I’ve seen the pilots for the new NBC comedies this Fall and they are not great.

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#1221576
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Last movie seen
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DuracellEnergizer said:

TV’s Frink said:

Sure.

Shucks, Frink — you’re right. After all, a movie featuring

  1. Undead women with damaged, decaying bodies
  2. Charred, smoking corpses
  3. Creepy, crying nuns who glide rather than walk

isn’t the least bit macabre. That’s just typical family fare.

Just because a movie features those elements doesn’t make it horror. It’s never played for scares, always for laughs.

I also don’t remember any charred and/or smoking corpses.

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#1221573
Topic
TV shows you have loved
Time

ChainsawAsh said:

TV’s Frink said:

NBC had a couple of great “Must See TV” Thursday lineups.

The Cosby Show / Family Ties / Cheers / Night Court
Mad About You / Wings / Seinfeld / Frasier

Friends / Seinfeld was hard to beat but there were never good shows in the other two slots.

You’re forgetting The Office / Parks and Recreation / 30 Rock / Community. Best comedy lineup of the last decade.

They still have the best comedy line up on network TV right now (though that’s a very low bar) because of The Good Place and Superstore.

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#1221459
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Last movie seen
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Been awhile -

Solo: A Star Wars Story (2018) - A film that comes dangerously close to generic summer blockbuster with too much fan service, but makes it out very much alive do to a unique sense of style and approach to the Star Wars galaxy, and a great cast with a fantastic lead performance. The emotional core doesn’t quite transcend the way the best summer blockbusters do, but it’s still fun and funny. Could have been even more so, but this will do just fine. B+

Silverado (1985) - Pretty good old fashioned western. Plot’s a little all over the place, but you’re really there for the characters and their interactions (and the action). B

Fahrenheit 451 (2018) - Bit of some wasted potential. Good cast, good aesthetics, good reinterpretation of a classic. Kinda falls apart. C+

You’ve Got Mail (1998) - Pretty silly with or without the dated AOL stuff. Yet… still a diverting experience. Didn’t hate it at all. C+

Hereditary (2018) - Beautifully twisted work of terror, both in the ‘horror’ scenes and in the family scenes. It’s a good one. B

Demolition Man (1993) - Dumb all around, but in an enjoyable way I suppose. C+

Con Air (1997) - Dumb all around, but in an enjoyable way I suppose. C+

Bad Boys (1995) - Michael Bay’s name kept me away from this one for awhile, which is kind of unfortunate. As juvenile as this movie admittedly is, it’s actually a whole lot of fun. That’s mainly to do with Smith and Lawrence, honestly the action parts are when I zone out. B

Bad Boys II (2003) - Basically the first one turned up to eleven, except this time the action’s pretty good. B+

Ocean’s 8 (2018) - Fairly straightforward in terms of Ocean’s heists, but just as satisfying as ever, with the new cast making it worth the trip.

The Incredibles 2 (2018) - What more could you want? An absolutely fantastic follow up to a classic that feels of remarkably of a piece with the first, all the more, uh, incredible because of the long gap between. Worth it. A-

The Lost World (1925) - A really quite impressive (effects-wise) proto-King Kong sort of feature. Plot and characters are basic, but that’s not why you’re watching. B

The Impossible (2012) - A finely crafted, harrowing film. You’re enthralled almost from go. B+

The Orphanage (2007) - Another finely crafted, harrowing film. Freaky and spooky, but also rooted in depressing realness. B+

Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018) - I saw this and liked it. Then I saw it again, and almost loved it. There’s something really captivating about this film, and something that makes me think it’s almost definitely the best since the original. Despite plot and structural similarities to other in the series, it feels like they’re finally doing something new. Ultimately, it’s all because of the aesthetics and execution. This is a gothic horror film from start to finish, and somehow, despite not really caring about the characters any more than I did during the first one, I’m fully invested. Bayona actually knows how to create a suspenseful sequence, and this is filled to the brim with them. Lot of fun. B+

American Animals (2018) - An endlessly fascinating portrait of when the angst of becoming an adult goes too far. Unexpectedly one of the most thrilling films I’ve seen in awhile. Probably because it all feels so real, and makes more sense than it should. A-

Treasure Island (1950) - Pretty basic with a fair few bits of genuine excitement. B-

Death Becomes Her (1992) - While I appreciate the wacky and unique sense of humor (and what at the time were cutting edge effects), ultimately it’s not as funny as it wants to be, and Willis’s turn in the climax is unearned and seems to undermine the satire. Still, not bad. C+