It definitely makes him a dick. If I’ve ever made a similar joke that makes me a dick too, especially if I did it to someone’s face.
I don’t understand the desire to judge a person based entirely on one relatively small offense.
I’m not judging his whole life and sentencing him to hell or whatever the fuck. Just calling him a dick, which is most certainly justified.
It definitely makes him a dick. If I’ve ever made a similar joke that makes me a dick too, especially if I did it to someone’s face.
I am tempted to watch this just to hear your commentary.
Same actually.
Writing a person’s name in “stutter” is clever? What world am I even living in?
But yeah just sounds like you are bitter.
I don’t understand why you would refuse to acknowledge that there’s a tiny bit of humor in this story. Even if you don’t think it’s funny, I don’t get why it’s so shocking to you that this pointless, waste-of-time story might make someone chuckle a little bit in spite of the fact that it’s about a mean barista. But yeah, sure, I’m bitter. I don’t like it when people pretend to care about other people. I’d rather just admit that they don’t care, because I always respect honesty more than moralizing bullshit.
Just because the barista was trying to make a joke doesn’t make it funny, it just makes him a dick.
Well, funny is subjective.
Yet you seem to be really worked up that Frink won’t admit there’s some “humor” to the joke.
And just because you don’t care about anyone else doesn’t mean everyone else feels the same way.
I do care about some other people. I didn’t say that you people don’t care about anyone. I don’t believe any of you really care about the people in this story, though.
There are levels to caring. I care insofar as the barista’s a dick and I feel kinda bad for the stutter guy. It’s not a big tragedy or whatever, but it still sucks. Don’t see what’s unbelievable about that.
Off the top of my head, here’s a list of things my parents have told me is satanic over the years (some of which they eventually reneged on).
-Pokémon
-Harry Potter
-D&D
-All non-conservative-protestant-evangelical-Christian religions
-Darwin’s theories, but only some of them
-“emogoth” music
-any music with bad words
-“the world”
-Monster energy drink
-most R-rated movies
-Gays (whoops)
-Anime (because the eyes are dark and creepy-lookin’)
-Foreign policy that isn’t neocon zionism
-“Imperfect” Jews (aka every Jew other than Jews for Jesus)Something else I just remembered: when I was a little kid, my dad told me that I was never to use the word “awesome” unless I was referring specifically to God, as any other use of that word was basically blasphemy. He eventually relaxed on that, but it took several years.
awesome.
Writing a person’s name in “stutter” is clever? What world am I even living in?
But yeah just sounds like you are bitter.
I don’t understand why you would refuse to acknowledge that there’s a tiny bit of humor in this story. Even if you don’t think it’s funny, I don’t get why it’s so shocking to you that this pointless, waste-of-time story might make someone chuckle a little bit in spite of the fact that it’s about a mean barista. But yeah, sure, I’m bitter. I don’t like it when people pretend to care about other people. I’d rather just admit that they don’t care, because I always respect honesty more than moralizing bullshit.
Just because the barista was trying to make a joke doesn’t make it funny, it just makes him a dick.
And just because you don’t care about anyone else doesn’t mean everyone else feels the same way.
Okay but all you guys implying that Citizen Kane isn’t fantastic can eat it.
AGREED.
I guess the difference is that Mark didn’t get the Luke or the movie he originally wanted, but he also understands that doesn’t make the movie bad.
That has been my understanding of his statements since day 1
Yessir.
I really do feel stupid. I know I’m supposed to love it, but I don’t, so I feel like the stupidest, fakest, “movie lover” on the planet. I really feel like don’t know a gaddam thing.
I once thought as you do regarding a great many things. Then I had an epiphany: “Fuck consensus.”
I tend to feel personally that in order to say “fuck consensus” you need to have an understanding of why that is the consensus is in the first place.
I really do feel stupid. I know I’m supposed to love it, but I don’t, so I feel like the stupidest, fakest, “movie lover” on the planet. I really feel like don’t know a gaddam thing.
It’s not as simple as that. For a young film viewer, much of its brilliance might not be as obvious on first viewing. When I first saw it many years ago, I just liked it as a good mob movie. Only after rewatch and more understanding did I come to see what made it so great.
At the time it came out, it’s excellence was a bit more obvious, but mainly because there had been nothing like it (gangster movies looked very different beforehand). Modern viewers take these elements for granted. But the things that make the film really great transcend its (at the time, though no longer) novel approach.
I assume most people who watch the original Star Wars for the first time as adults now have the same sort of shrug response.
coffee, it’s over. We’re done.
Dominic… Dom… Don… shit.
coffee, it’s over. We’re done.
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4. If YOU had to give this episode a title, what would it be?</div>I initially thought of this:
<span class=“Italics”>Star Wars Episode IV: Assault on the Death Star</span>
but then decided it sounds too much like a board game.The best I could come up with is <span class=“Italics”>Star Wars Episode IV: Awakening of the Force</span>. Although the idea of A New Hope refers in part to the optimism the Rebellion gained with its victories, I believe Luke himself is the “New Hope”. Therefore <span class=“Italics”>Awakening of the Force</span> seems appropriate as it maintains the “big picture” view of things, and fits the back-and-forth which-side-is-winning theme of the titles.
So very close
George really should have made a trilogy with the OT cast in the late 80’s/early 90’s. That would have been the second coming. Or not.
I’m not sure Hamill is biting the hand. The youtube videos that attempt to read between the lines of Mark’s public statements are on a level with the people who think The Shining is Kubrick’s confession to faking the Moon landings. 😉
I don’t think Mark wants to be the fandom fringe torch bearer either way.
Mark has been open that this wasn’t what he had in mind for the character, but he’s also been equally as open about how much he likes the film. Convenient how the YouTube videos ignore that. Reading between the lines is accurate because they bring his statements beyond what they’re plainly stating to conclusions that he clearly isn’t making, while in reality Mark has always been nothing but outspoken, honest, and straightforward in his opinions.
Remember when someone posted a video here of him and Rian doing some playful banter and tried to pass it off as them hating each other when it clearly showed the opposite?
what?
that’s not at all what i was saying. i never said people were trolling, jeez. no need to go full defensive mode.
in fact, i said i think spreading positivity and love is a great thing and i fully support it and i’m usually glad to know someone loved tlj.
BUT
on a number of occasions, the wording of the phrase and how people thst disagree with the shared opinion are treated lead me to believe that the person posted it because they love the film, yes, but with that extra grain of salt to tease and annoy haters.
I’m not being defensive, I’m just asking for clarification on a post that didn’t make any sense to me. The example of a tweet you used seemed entirely innocuous to me, and I legitimately don’t understand why someone expressing an opinion in that way is “annoying.”
Collipso, do you truly think someone who says “TLJ is one of the best Star Wars films” is just doing so to tease the haters?
in the context i described, yes.
Are people not allowed to profess they like something months after it came out? Is liking something considered trolling now?
DominicCobb said:
You couldn’t pay me enough to watch that trash.I’m curious, Dom: what would your response be if I said the very same thing about TLJ before having seen it? Would you consider that a reasonable stance, or unreasonable?
I feel that way about every Cinemasins video, even for movies I hate. It’s only just amplified when it’s a movie I love.
Collipso said:
i do believe that Episode IX has a much higher chance of sucking than the next Avengers though.Ha, well I guess we can continue to disagree.
“Everything Wrong With Star Wars: The Last Jedi”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oAi0hoJ_28&list=WL&index=2&t=0s
You couldn’t pay me enough to watch that trash.
Collipso, do you truly think someone who says “TLJ is one of the best Star Wars films” is just doing so to tease the haters? Don’t you think they’re just doing so because they love it? Are people not supposed to say they love things for fear of inadvertently annoying people with other opinions?
The extent of the equation is simply “time is running out.” Nothing more complex than that.
If they wanted to do a simple ‘time is running out’ plot, they could have had the First Order take a planet hostage and say it would be razed in X hours/days unless the Resistance surrendered.
Badabingbadaboom done.
Agree to disagree, as they say.
The extent of the equation is simply “time is running out.” Nothing more complex than that.
The movie gives an incredibly basic and surface level attention to the subject. They can track us through lightspeed, and we only have so much fuel to outrun them. That’s it. No more technical than lightspeed doesn’t work, so now we have to find a planet that’s close enough by to get repairs. I don’t see any invitation to draw up complicated math equations.
Alright, so I finally had time to sit down and watch this. First of all, the video quality was great. It almost looks like you added film grain, but I could’ve just been imagining things. I also really love the color correction.
If you watched the more recent file, yes I did add grain. And thanks, that’s good to hear.
The shortening of the opening space battle was seamless.
That’s mostly Hal, honestly, though I got rid of the buzz droids (I should probably post a cut list, shouldn’t I?).
I like the music you added for when the Anakin and Obi-wan land their fighters. My only complaint is that maybe it goes on a bit too long. The music keeps playing even after all the droids are dead and they’re just talking, which felt kind of weird. Still, I’d much rather have the music than not.
I like the music added for the “spring the trap” joke. Not sure if it’s a different piece of music, or just a continuation of the previous one, but it worked.
All the same track. I’ll look into how it plays if I drop it out for a bit.
I like the idea of moving the opera scene to where you did. Cutting right to Anakin sitting with Palpatine leaves the impression that maybe Anakin sought out Palpatine of his own volition, setting up their relationship a lot better. Putting the scene where you did also makes Palpatine’s arguments about the Jedi seem more convincing. We hear Palpatine’s side of the story before the Jedi’s, and that really works. Also, learning about Plagueis so early sets up Anakin’s motivations right from the get-go.
Glad to hear it worked for you. Can’t take credit though, stolen idea from L8wrtr.
I feel like the movie kind of jumps around with all the scenes on Coruscant. It’s like one second Anakin’s here, the next second he’s somewhere else, then Obi-Wan is doing something, then we’re back to Anakin; but I suppose that’s not really a problem with the edit, that’s just how the movie is, and that can’t be fixed short of filming new material.
Yeah, this is something that has always bugged me, but ultimately it’s really an issue with the material given. I’ve attempted to keep the perspective on Anakin for the most part, so at least there’s something to latch on to (his story).
Not sure how to feel about the music during the scene where Anakin and Padme talk about what’s happening to the Republic. On one hand, it felt a little out of place, especially towards the end of the scene where they’re hugging as the music gets louder and more intense. On the other hand, I kind of like what it represents. It sounds fascist, militaristic. Hearing that theme as Anakin rejects Padme’s pleas for peace and diplomacy gives the impression that Anakin is actually on board with how Palpatine is running things. It feels like we’re seeing a side of Anakin that we haven’t really seen since he advocated for dictatorships in AotC. I also like that the next scene is Anakin telling the council that Palpatine requested he be the one to go after Grievous, lending itself to the idea that Anakin’s loyalties lie more with the Chancellor than with the Jedi.
I flip flop on this a lot. I definitely see the pros and cons like you do. I might have to post the scene in this thread to get some more eyes on it.
Something weird happens with the audio at 1:41:31. It’s like the audio in the left ear/channel gets a lot louder for a second, then fixes itself.
Will look at fix (if I haven’t already).
Overall, I really enjoyed the edit.
Thanks for the feedback and kind words. Much appreciated.
No one is perfect, and therefore it’s not necessarily reasonable to expect a character to make all around perfect decisions (as FilmCritHulk points out, there’d be no conflict if so). There’s obviously supposed to be an air of suspicion around Holdo at first, which is why we question her decisions and don’t see her perspective and decision-making (only Poe’s). In the end, we learn her heart and mind were in the right place, and her plan would’ve worked just fine if not for Poe.
As for why she didn’t lock up Poe, I don’t think it’s illogical at all to think “I don’t want this guy in on decisions or on the bridge, but I don’t think going as far as literally jailing him is necessary, especially when his biggest crime was disobeying one order and yelling at me.” Not sure why it’s a binary “either tell him the plan or lock him up,” that’s doesn’t sound like the only acceptable logic to me at all. Holdo didn’t trust Poe with the plan. That doesn’t seem crazy to me. Her biggest mistake was actually underestimating how little she should trust him. Again, not perfect, but there’d be no conflict if she was.
As for the logic of her plan, I don’t think we need to have that endless debate either. I don’t know if if it’s Cinemasins or just years of nerd porn EU books misleading a certain generation of fans to think this is a hard sci-fi franchise, but for some reason people love to nitpick the “logic” of these things to death as if the main determiner of a film’s quality is the “realism” of its wiki plot summary. I’ll just say what I always say: cinema (and fantasy and Star Wars in particular) is about the possible. It’s just as easy to come up with a reason to explain away these perceived “plot holes” as it is to claim they’re “impossible” to explain and therefore movie-breaking. I don’t think it’s worth it to worry or waste time with the latter.
Here’s an excellent article on The Last Jedi and why it has elicited such a backlash from fans.
Hmm
Insightful look on the film and its response (I guess I should say I don’t agree with everything said, but it’s worth reading):
http://observer.com/2018/07/film-crit-hulk-the-beautiful-ugly-and-possessive-hearts-of-star-wars/
Sorry! I hadn’t seen your post!
Ha, no worries. Just funny that it wasn’t til you posted that people noticed. I think some people have me on “ignore” (and perhaps justifiably so).
i disagree with pretty much everything you have said about everything since your first post in the thread you first posted in.
Oh really? Are you sure you don’t want to find working download links for Hal9000’s first ROTS edit from 10 years ago where he only changed like three things about it?