I wonder if she would be offended by my brother and his wife giving their adopted Chinese daughter our last name and an American first name. (I am not sure if they knew her original Chinese name or not)
Come on warb. She’s not a spokesperson for every Asian person you know. She’s talking about her own life and experiences.
Great article. Glad to see KMT push back against online trolls in a way that is strong, measured, but also humanizes her by allowing her to open up about her struggle.
I did have one comment about the following quote:
“It reinforced within me rules that were written before I was born, rules that made my parents deem it necessary to abandon their real names and adopt American ones — Tony and Kay — so it was easier for others to pronounce, a literal erasure of culture that still has me aching to the core.”
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with voluntary cultural assimilation (in fact I think it’s desirable to a certain extent) as long as you don’t let it erase your native culture. It is possible to have both.
It obviously sounds like they weren’t happy about but felt like they needed to do it.
I have just been revisiting the PT because I decided return to tackling them before trying TESB, ROTJ, or TFA. After watching them again I have to agree that ROTS is the most dramatic and is a great fast paced action film and tragedy. But I still feel that TPM got the universe right. Yes, we see the galaxy looking pretty good, but like fruit that is about to spoil, it looks good on the outside while hiding the rot on the inside. And the story goes where the characters are. The focus in the fall of the Republic so spending so much time on Coruscant makes sense.
I think one would argue though that the focus should not have been on the fall of the Republic, that should have merely been the backdrop to Anakin’s story. It isn’t quite in keeping with the other SW films to have galactic politics so far at the forefront of the story.
I disagree since the OT focused on the the rebellion against the Empire - something that is very much galactic politics.
Nope, that was merely the backdrop to the characters’ stories. We see more rebellion politics in Rogue One than we do in the entire OT put together (which isn’t saying much at all).
DominicCobb said:
Also, 2001 doesn’t have a score, that’s a soundtrack.It does have, but rejected : http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.5228/.f
(would love to see an edit with Alex North cues)
Actually it had (past tense) two rejected scores (apparently there’s another by Frank Cordell, unreleased). But is has (present tense) none.
But it’s a terrible progressive rock album.
Do you think that says “Don’t Look Back”? Because, no.
No I’m just saying if you tried to pass that movie off as a rock album, it would be received terribly.
You don’t know that for sure.
But it’s a terrible progressive rock album.
Do you think that says “Don’t Look Back”? Because, no.
is Jerry the villain of Tom and Jerry?
Youth is believing that Tom is the villain.
Maturity is knowing that Jerry is.
What does it say about me that I always thought Jerry was the villain, even as a kid?
Always smart to keep your eyes on eBay too. That’s how I just got the Qatsi trilogy for $30 (new and unopened, with a B&N price tag still on it for $79.99).
Paths of Glory is actually the only Kubrick older than Strangelove that I’ve seen.
Next BN Criterion sale, I want to pick up Paths of Glory and The Killing.
You’d be making a smart choice.
I have just been revisiting the PT because I decided return to tackling them before trying TESB, ROTJ, or TFA. After watching them again I have to agree that ROTS is the most dramatic and is a great fast paced action film and tragedy. But I still feel that TPM got the universe right. Yes, we see the galaxy looking pretty good, but like fruit that is about to spoil, it looks good on the outside while hiding the rot on the inside. And the story goes where the characters are. The focus in the fall of the Republic so spending so much time on Coruscant makes sense.
I think one would argue though that the focus should not have been on the fall of the Republic, that should have merely been the backdrop to Anakin’s story. It isn’t quite in keeping with the other SW films to have galactic politics so far at the forefront of the story.
And I think the end of ROTS could use some editing to get back the surprise of Luke and Leia’s parentage. The end is great for a 4,5,6,1,2,3 viewing order, but sucks for the 1,2,3,4,5,6 viewing order. And no, I would never do a machete order.
Why preserve the parentage surprise if you don’t preserve the surprise that Anakin fell to the dark side? That’s at least half the shock of the reveal in ESB. I don’t think chronological viewing order works at all if you haven’t seen the films before.
But, probably too subtle.
Pretty much.
I found out why the music for TPM is better. That was the last film John Williams scored an edit of the film. The following films have been more thematic scoring with the music edited in as needed. It does’t work in my opinion. I like the traditional way and I think it creates better music. That is not to say Williams’ talents have decreased one bit with age. His Rey theme is on of the best of the saga. But doing it piecemeal instead of with the film just doesn’t work. The music doesn’t fit as well. That is one reason I have never liked the score for 2001. It just doesn’t fit.
Even TPM’s suffered from some serious editing in the final third. AOTC and ROTS are both pretty rough, lot of recycled cues. It wasn’t the last time he did a proper SW score though. I think TLJ probably faced the least editing of any SW score since the original film (and it easily has the most scoring of any of them).
Also, 2001 doesn’t have a score, that’s a soundtrack. Lots of films have done that (90% of Tarantino’s work, for example), and I’d wager most would say 2001 is the best example of it. Cool it with the hot takes please.
Though I personally think ROTS is the better story, I find TPM much more interesting overall. I’ve also noticed that many film-buffs, as well as film students (like myself), tend to be very fascinated by TPM.
Certainly TPM has the most interesting/notable place in film history of the three.
So calm down and stop trying to look for a “gotcha” when there isn’t one and start actually paying attention to what I’m saying before you post. By acting like that, you are you’re participating in that same kind of combative and disrespectful fan discourse that you talk about.
Nonsense. Don’t try to turn this on me. I’m not the one calling people pathetic for expressing their opinion, or saying most of these people harrass the creators, and it’s not the first time such generalizations have been expressed on these forums either.
You’re putting words in my mouth, which is not exactly what I’d consider positive discourse. You’re saying I’m disrespectful and feeding into the toxic fandom. I can call some people pathetic without calling everyone pathetic, believe it or not. By generalizing my statements your perpetuating a false notion that anyone calling out harrasers is calling everyone harassers. You’re eroding the nuance of the discussion and furthering the polarization. I don’t appreciate it and I think it’s incredibly frustrating.
You eroded the nuance of the discussion the moment you stated most of “these people” harrass. That’s not putting words in your mouth. You said that.
Read my post again Dre. Who are the people I’m talking about? Am I talking about fans who criticize? Or am I talking about fans who act like children?
If you weren’t skimming my posts for things to get mad about you’d realize that and we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Try harder.
You criticized those that complain, and feel entitled. So far, so good, but then you stated these people are pathetic, and that most of them harrass. That is a generalization, and a pretty nasty one. I criticized you for it, and now rather than admit you made a mistake, you try to make it about me.
This is my exact quote:
A lot of the fans are entitled and honestly acting like children. I fully understand why they are, and I respect that they have a right to do so, but that doesn’t mean I can’t criticize them. Pathetic is the exact right word for it. Especially when most of these same people harass creators and others. At that point no respect is deserved and none will be given.
I made no mistake. I admit I should have said many, if only because, in fairness, it’s all speculation and I should’ve known someone would misinterpret. But I stand by what I said.
If you’re acting like you’re entitled to specific content that caters to only you, and then whine when you don’t get what you want, that is pathetic and childish. Simple as that. Saying that many of the people who do that end up being harrasers is not such an incredible leap to make.
And I’m not trying to make it about you. You already did that yourself by making a scene over a fairly inoffensive statement on my part. Now we’ve been arguing on a whole page because you got your pants in a tizzy because I made that impossible suggestion that maybe these childish, entitled fans are the ones who tend to harass.
Well I disagree. Just because entitled fans are more likely to harrass, does not mean that most or even many of them do. That’s an offensive statement. The fact that poor people are statistically more likely to commit street crimes, does not excuse someone for saying most poor people are street criminals, that many of these people end up being street criminals, or that many of these people tend to commit street crimes. That’s just prejudice.
That comparison is absurd. Now I’m “prejudiced” against entitled fans? Being an entitled fan is caused by personality traits such as assholery and immaturity. These things also cause them to be harassers. The line between constantly commenting “TLJ ruined Star Wars” and constantly tweeting at Rian Johnson “you ruined Star Wars” is pretty thin. You’re splitting hairs that don’t exist.
The line is not thin. There are large numbers of articles, where fans respectfully argue why in their opinion Disney and Lucasfilm have damaged the Star Wars brand, and harshly criticize the films. They may be feeling entitled in your opinion, but most of them would never dream of harrassing creators and actors. That’s just your prejudism speaking. It is not based in reality. Entitled fans do a lot of barking online for sure, but barking dogs (almost) never bite.
I wouldn’t consider someone who respectfully puts their opinion into an article “entitled.” I’m not talking about those people. I’m talking about people who whine and incessantly complain on stuff like YouTube comment sections. People who criticize immaturely, not everyone who criticizes. Different things.
So calm down and stop trying to look for a “gotcha” when there isn’t one and start actually paying attention to what I’m saying before you post. By acting like that, you are you’re participating in that same kind of combative and disrespectful fan discourse that you talk about.
Nonsense. Don’t try to turn this on me. I’m not the one calling people pathetic for expressing their opinion, or saying most of these people harrass the creators, and it’s not the first time such generalizations have been expressed on these forums either.
You’re putting words in my mouth, which is not exactly what I’d consider positive discourse. You’re saying I’m disrespectful and feeding into the toxic fandom. I can call some people pathetic without calling everyone pathetic, believe it or not. By generalizing my statements your perpetuating a false notion that anyone calling out harrasers is calling everyone harassers. You’re eroding the nuance of the discussion and furthering the polarization. I don’t appreciate it and I think it’s incredibly frustrating.
You eroded the nuance of the discussion the moment you stated most of “these people” harrass. That’s not putting words in your mouth. You said that.
Read my post again Dre. Who are the people I’m talking about? Am I talking about fans who criticize? Or am I talking about fans who act like children?
If you weren’t skimming my posts for things to get mad about you’d realize that and we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Try harder.
You criticized those that complain, and feel entitled. So far, so good, but then you stated these people are pathetic, and that most of them harrass. That is a generalization, and a pretty nasty one. I criticized you for it, and now rather than admit you made a mistake, you try to make it about me.
This is my exact quote:
A lot of the fans are entitled and honestly acting like children. I fully understand why they are, and I respect that they have a right to do so, but that doesn’t mean I can’t criticize them. Pathetic is the exact right word for it. Especially when most of these same people harass creators and others. At that point no respect is deserved and none will be given.
I made no mistake. I admit I should have said many, if only because, in fairness, it’s all speculation and I should’ve known someone would misinterpret. But I stand by what I said.
If you’re acting like you’re entitled to specific content that caters to only you, and then whine when you don’t get what you want, that is pathetic and childish. Simple as that. Saying that many of the people who do that end up being harrasers is not such an incredible leap to make.
And I’m not trying to make it about you. You already did that yourself by making a scene over a fairly inoffensive statement on my part. Now we’ve been arguing on a whole page because you got your pants in a tizzy because I made that impossible suggestion that maybe these childish, entitled fans are the ones who tend to harass.
Well I disagree. Just because entitled fans are more likely to harrass, does not mean that most or even many of them do. That’s an offensive statement. The fact that poor people are statistically more likely to commit street crimes, does not excuse someone for saying most poor people are street criminals, that many of these people end up being street criminals, or that many of these people tend to commit street crimes. That’s just prejudice.
That comparison is absurd. Now I’m “prejudiced” against entitled fans? Being an entitled fan is caused by personality traits such as assholery and immaturity. These things also cause them to be harassers. The line between constantly commenting “TLJ ruined Star Wars” and constantly tweeting at Rian Johnson “you ruined Star Wars” is pretty thin. You’re splitting hairs that don’t exist.
So calm down and stop trying to look for a “gotcha” when there isn’t one and start actually paying attention to what I’m saying before you post. By acting like that, you are you’re participating in that same kind of combative and disrespectful fan discourse that you talk about.
Nonsense. Don’t try to turn this on me. I’m not the one calling people pathetic for expressing their opinion, or saying most of these people harrass the creators, and it’s not the first time such generalizations have been expressed on these forums either.
You’re putting words in my mouth, which is not exactly what I’d consider positive discourse. You’re saying I’m disrespectful and feeding into the toxic fandom. I can call some people pathetic without calling everyone pathetic, believe it or not. By generalizing my statements your perpetuating a false notion that anyone calling out harrasers is calling everyone harassers. You’re eroding the nuance of the discussion and furthering the polarization. I don’t appreciate it and I think it’s incredibly frustrating.
You eroded the nuance of the discussion the moment you stated most of “these people” harrass. That’s not putting words in your mouth. You said that.
Read my post again Dre. Who are the people I’m talking about? Am I talking about fans who criticize? Or am I talking about fans who act like children?
If you weren’t skimming my posts for things to get mad about you’d realize that and we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Try harder.
You criticized those that complain, and feel entitled. So far, so good, but then you stated these people are pathetic, and that most of them harrass. That is a generalization, and a pretty nasty one. I criticized you for it, and now rather than admit you made a mistake, you try to make it about me.
This is my exact quote:
A lot of the fans are entitled and honestly acting like children. I fully understand why they are, and I respect that they have a right to do so, but that doesn’t mean I can’t criticize them. Pathetic is the exact right word for it. Especially when most of these same people harass creators and others. At that point no respect is deserved and none will be given.
I made no mistake. I admit I should have said many, if only because, in fairness, it’s all speculation and I should’ve known someone would misinterpret. But I stand by what I said.
If you’re acting like you’re entitled to specific content that caters to only you, and then whine when you don’t get what you want, that is pathetic and childish. Simple as that. Saying that many of the people who do that end up being harrasers is not such an incredible leap to make.
And I’m not trying to make it about you. You already did that yourself by making a scene over a fairly inoffensive statement on my part. Now we’ve been arguing on a whole page because you got your pants in a tizzy because I made that impossible suggestion that maybe these childish, entitled fans are the ones who tend to harass.
So calm down and stop trying to look for a “gotcha” when there isn’t one and start actually paying attention to what I’m saying before you post. By acting like that, you are you’re participating in that same kind of combative and disrespectful fan discourse that you talk about.
Nonsense. Don’t try to turn this on me. I’m not the one calling people pathetic for expressing their opinion, or saying most of these people harrass the creators, and it’s not the first time such generalizations have been expressed on these forums either.
You’re putting words in my mouth, which is not exactly what I’d consider positive discourse. You’re saying I’m disrespectful and feeding into the toxic fandom. I can call some people pathetic without calling everyone pathetic, believe it or not. By generalizing my statements your perpetuating a false notion that anyone calling out harrasers is calling everyone harassers. You’re eroding the nuance of the discussion and furthering the polarization. I don’t appreciate it and I think it’s incredibly frustrating.
You eroded the nuance of the discussion the moment you stated most of “these people” harrass. That’s not putting words in your mouth. You said that.
Read my post again Dre. Who are the people I’m talking about? Am I talking about all fans who criticize? Or am I talking just about fans who act like children?
If you weren’t skimming my posts for things to get mad about you’d realize that and we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Try harder.
So calm down and stop trying to look for a “gotcha” when there isn’t one and start actually paying attention to what I’m saying before you post. By acting like that, you are you’re participating in that same kind of combative and disrespectful fan discourse that you talk about.
Nonsense. Don’t try to turn this on me. I’m not the one calling people pathetic for expressing their opinion, or saying most of these people harrass the creators, and it’s not the first time such generalizations have been expressed on these forums either.
You’re putting words in my mouth, which is not exactly what I’d consider positive discourse. You’re saying I’m disrespectful and feeding into the toxic fandom. I can call some people pathetic without calling everyone pathetic, believe it or not. Or can I not criticize some fans? How does that make sense? By generalizing my statements you’re perpetuating a false notion that anyone calling out harrasers is calling everyone harassers. You’re eroding the nuance of the discussion and furthering the polarization. I don’t appreciate it and I think it’s incredibly frustrating.
I honestly enjoy seeing you always try to spin what I’m saying back around on me. It’s quite enjoyable really and happens without fail, even if you have to twist yourself into nonsensical contortions to do so.
Respect and empathy is something I value more than most honestly, but sometimes you just have to call it like you see it. A lot of the fans are entitled and honestly acting like children. I fully understand why they are, and I respect that they have a right to do so, but that doesn’t mean I can’t criticize them. Pathetic is the exact right word for it. Especially when most of these same people harass creators and others. At that point no respect is deserved and none will be given.
Also, if you’re implying I blew my fuse during the PT, you couldn’t be further off base.
I’m not spinning anything. You are not just criticizing toxic elements in the fandom, you are conflating criticisms and negative reactions to a property with harrassment. You are generalizing when you state, that most of these same people harass creators and others. That is what is nonsensical, and disrespectful.
Well perhaps I could have said many not most, but to be clear I’m not talking about all people who criticize and I never was. I’m talking about people that go out of their way on comment sections to endlessly complain, who specifically dislike a video to try to prove a point - I’m talking about fans acting like children, and I think I actually made that pretty clear in my post. The thing is you’ll find many of these same people responding to Rian Johnson et al. saying that they ruined Star Wars and their childhood and all that.
So calm down and stop trying to look for a “gotcha” when there isn’t one and start actually paying attention to what I’m saying before you post. By acting like that, you are you’re participating in that same kind of combative and disrespectful fan discourse that you talk about.
I honestly enjoy seeing you always try to spin what I’m saying back around on me. It’s quite enjoyable really and happens without fail, even if you have to twist yourself into nonsensical contortions to do so.
Respect and empathy is something I value more than most honestly, but sometimes you just have to call it like you see it. A lot of the fans are entitled and honestly acting like children. I fully understand why they are, and I respect that they have a right to do so, but that doesn’t mean I can’t criticize them. Pathetic is the exact right word for it. Especially when most of these same people harass creators and others. At that point no respect is deserved and none will be given.
Also, if you’re implying I blew my fuse during the PT era, you couldn’t be further off base.
More likely ST haters trying desperately to prove such.
There’s no doubt TLJ was a divisive movie, and that enthousiasm for the ST era has dropped considerably in parts of the fanbase because of it. So, there’s no need to prove anything. If there’s less appeal in the ST era, it’s because the powers that be failed to generate it. That’s not the fans’ fault.
It’s not a matter of enthusiasm. If fans were just unenthusiastic they would just not watch the trailer and not bother to press dislike. The dislike ratio is just indicative of petty and pathetic fans trying to prove that “new Star Wars bad, Clone Wars good” as if anyone cares.
Why is it pathetic to express dislike in the direction taken by your favourite franchise? Not being enthousiastic about the future of a property is not considered a good thing by fans of that property in general, and people tend to respond to that sort of thing, just like they did in the PT era. If you’re a fan, being indifferent to a new series is considered to be the anti-thesis of what being a fan is all about, and so in the eyes of those fans it is an extremely negative thing. Your reaction is akin to telling people to just not care, and stop being a fan.
It’s pathetic because their “dislike” isn’t necessarily indicative of their actual feelings for the trailer, but to try to prove a tangential point of some sort.
As for the rest, that’s silly. Star Wars puts out plenty of stuff. Being a fan doesn’t mean you have to have a strong reaction to anything. In fact that mindset is part of the problem these days. You don’t have to have a strong reaction to everything, especially not a 1 minute trailer for a show that’s not necessarily even for them to begin with. Take Forces or Destiny for example. Fans lost their shit over that. They feel entitled. It’s pathetic.
If it airs at 10 pm, that is a bit odd. Maybe that is sorta normal for unproven shows? Something has to go in that slot.
I assume there will be reruns aired in different time slots? I don’t pay much attention to how networks organize themselves, so just conjecture on my part.
No idea honestly, but it’s premiering on Disney channel and then switching to XD where it will have its regular airings. So I imagine that’s part of it.
Or maybe they’re trying to tell us this show is supposed to be for adults, I guess that makes total sense too.
More likely ST haters trying desperately to prove such.
There’s no doubt TLJ was a divisive movie, and that enthousiasm for the ST era has dropped considerably in parts of the fanbase because of it. So, there’s no need to prove anything. If there’s less appeal in the ST era, it’s because the powers that be failed to generate it. That’s not the fans’ fault.
It’s not a matter of enthusiasm. If fans were just unenthusiastic they would just not watch the trailer and not bother to press dislike. The dislike ratio is just indicative of petty and pathetic fans trying to prove that “new Star Wars bad, Clone Wars good” as if anyone cares.
More likely ST haters trying desperately to prove such.
It seems the Resistance trailer has not been recieved very well. The like/dislike ratio is 1:2 on youtube. Compare this to the 30:1 ratio for the upcoming Clone Wars season.
I doubt if those clicking like and dislike on YouTube are actually the Target demographic. I wouldn’t worry about it.
Shouldn’t the target demographic be in bed at 10pm? The time it is being broadcast seems to suggest LFM is not aiming this solely at children, although the trailer certainly has somewhat of a childish tone.
No Star Wars show is just for kids. But premiering it at 10 doesn’t magically mean it’s not primarily for kids, which it obviously is.
If it is not solely for kids then those liking or disliking it on youtube are part of the target demographic, and premiering it on a time where only grownups can watch it strongly suggests this is the case. If so, while the show may be primarily for kids, it should still have a broad appeal, and while it’s too early to judge the series on the basis of a trailer, the trailer thusfar seems to have failed to appeal to that broader audience. I’m sure kids will love it though.
YouTube is not the “broader audience.” And nothing that’s on Disney channel or Disney XD isn’t primarily targeting kids, doesn’t matter what time it premieres.
Youtube is a subsection of the broader audience. Star Wars is and always has been. Anything Star Wars related is always also targeted towards the fans, who are the big spenders in this franchise.
The hardcore fans will watch it whether they dislike the trailer or not. But they are ultimately a minority.
It seems the Resistance trailer has not been recieved very well. The like/dislike ratio is 1:2 on youtube. Compare this to the 30:1 ratio for the upcoming Clone Wars season.
I doubt if those clicking like and dislike on YouTube are actually the Target demographic. I wouldn’t worry about it.
Shouldn’t the target demographic be in bed at 10pm? The time it is being broadcast seems to suggest LFM is not aiming this solely at children, although the trailer certainly has somewhat of a childish tone.
No Star Wars show is just for kids. But premiering it at 10 doesn’t magically mean it’s not primarily for kids, which it obviously is.
If it is not solely for kids then those liking or disliking it on youtube are part of the target demographic, and premiering it on a time where only grownups can watch it strongly suggests this is the case. If so, while the show may be primarily for kids, it should still have a broad appeal, and while it’s too early to judge the series on the basis of a trailer, the trailer thusfar seems to have failed to appeal to that broader audience. I’m sure kids will love it though.
YouTube is not the “broader audience.” And nothing that’s on Disney channel or Disney XD isn’t primarily targeting kids, doesn’t matter what time it premieres.
Before it was just Hemsworth, now they’ve lost Pine as well. And I would not recommend trying to move forward without him.
No, that’s not true. When the story first broke it was both of them. And there’s a very slim chance they don’t try to get Pine back.