Doctor M

Yeah, stupid confusing, but when the use a 'k' number (thousands of lines) they are talking horizontal lines, but when they use p or i (progressive/interlaced) they are referring to vertical lines.

It's why UHD/4k TVs are going to be confusing to the public.  It almost sounds like it's 4 times the resolution of 1080p, but it's more like double.  (Besides the fact that seeing the difference will be nearly impossible.)

My mom still gets confused trying to record one show on her VCR while watching another.  I can't even attempt to explain HD.

Oh, and good script, ntcuFaal, I like that.  It takes the eyeball out of the equation.

If you are familiar with avisynth, something like this:

avisource("SotS.avi") #I'm assuming some lossless format.

spline36resize(1920,1080) #or whatever the appropriate AR conversion is.

a=subtitle("1080p")
b=spline36resize(1280,720).spline36resize(1920,1080).subtitle("720p")

interleave(a,b)

Then use something like VirtualDubMod to view the avisynth file.

Everything will be 1920x1080, but you can step single frame through it with even frames being 1080p and odd frames being 720p upscaled back to 1080.

If you can't see any detail difference between them, then 720p should be fine.

Anyone with a better method?

I can answer ONE of those questions.

A 2k scan provides 2000 pixels horizontally.  1080p is 1920 pixels wide, so yeah, a 2k scan is pretty much 1080p.

Now if the 16mm reduction has 2k worth of information is another question all to itself that I cannot answer.

If no one knows, the best way to go is to take some frames and compare a 720p resize to the source and see if there is any less detail.

If it's there, it would be worth preserving.

ww12345 - Sorry if it has been asked and answered, but at what resolution are you scanning it at?  Are you going for Blu-ray?

Space Kaijuu said:

The Rigid Tools poster wouldn't be too hard to reinsert into the original since it's only a few frames in the animation and it's part of the background painting rather than some sort of cell or animation element.  Is the image above the best that's out there, or are there any higher resolution frame captures?

I'm about halfway done restoring the altered frames from the Jessica Rabbit panty shot scene.  The latest edit to the scene actually removes the panties from her butt and makes it look even more like she's not wearing panties than the original did.  Seriously, Disney?

Love to see the screenshot comparison there.

No, GetFLV, TubeDigger and a few other similar programs actually save the incoming data from the websites.  They are true rips, not screen captures.

Flash is frequently tries to fix their code to stop them, and they have constant updates to get around it.  It's a fun little arms race.

Oh, one more thing.  Several of these streaming services can be ripped right from your PC with inexpensive software like GetFLV.

Check out their list: http://www.getflv.net/site.php

drngr said:

They must have added that exclusion to the list just recently.

Here is the US account for the same seller. I posted the Aussie one because it was slightly cheaper before, with the exchange rate.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Port-1-x-4-Audio-Video-1080P-HD-HDMI-Splitter-Amplifier-Multiplier-Box-/220864833576

Amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/VeeCome-portable-Powered-Splitter-Support/dp/B0094OEQNU/

Thanks.  Just noticed these are listed as 1.3 compliant.  Hopefully they'll update to 1.4.  (It's interesting they call it a 3D splitter even though 3D was added in the 1.4 specs.)

Btw, the ebay.com has the same exclusions, but the Amazon link seems good.

Say I wanted to take an HDMI signal and feed it to something like the Hauppauge gaming PVR, the best option looks to be the 4 port 1x4 splitter you linked... but they don't ship to the U.S.

Are there any other options you can suggest?

Supposedly the original DVD release of The Little Mermaid (before the Disney Enhanced Home Theater debacle), had a limited run in DTS.

I'd love to see that surface (pardon the pun).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Aften supports DD+ yet.

Somewhere I have an HD version of True Lies that was muxed to the D-Theater DTS track.

I don't know if that would fit what you're looking for or not.  IIRC there was also a Japan DVD release with the DTS track and it might still be available if you're willing to brave Amazon.co.jp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-VHS#D-Theater

There used to be several other of the D-Theater DTS tracks floating around at HDBits.org if that is of interest.

Edit: Apologies, I'm assuming there is a particular reason you're looking for laserdisc rips in particular since I'm having no trouble finding several of the ones on your list available on DVD or BD releases.

Doctor M's Guide to HD Editing with Womble MPEG Video Wizard

version 1

So yeah, I was pretty surprised to find out this old work horse for the lazy editor is perfectly capable of being useful in the 21st Century.

It's probably better if you already know a bit about working with audio/video streams and the basics of Womble first.

A DigitalMan's Guide to MPEG2/AC3 Editing will also answer a lot of questions.  Be sure to check that out if you haven't already: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/ADigitalMans-Guide-to-MPEG2-AC3-Editing/topic/3444/

1) Prepare your source.

Womble is capable of working with just about any source type your PC can play. You may have to demux a format for optimal results though.

Typically it's better to work with raw streams, but that's not always the case.  I was able to get an .H264 file to load, but there was no preview and I've never seen XviD/DivX as a raw stream.

So HD formats in .MKV containers are fair game as are AVI files, etc.  You may want to experiment and see what works and what doesn't.  MP4 didn't work for me but that may change with an update.

MPEG2 can be found in .MKV container too, but you will not be able to losslessly edit it that way.  Demux it first (with MKVExtractGUI) and you can treat it like a plain old DVD mpg video clip.  .TS and .M2TS may or may not need the same treatment. 

If you are editing mpeg video, it wouldn't hurt to run Womble's MPEG GOP Fixer on it first (using the option (Fix GOP time code and PTS errors (Read + Write)).

NOTE: Womble CANNOT handle DTS audio (at least in the version I tried).  You'll want to re-encode that to AC3, WAV or FLAC before continuing (see Appendix 1).

2) Edit in Womble.
Plenty of guides for this.  You don't need me.

Remember though, if you are working with HD mpeg2 video and don't add effects, mix resolutions or format types, you can output losslessly just like when editing DVD video.

3) Output.

If you've been editing HD mpeg video, you really didn't need this guide.  Export the streams just like you would with standard definition.

So here's the real trick.  For everything else, save your project file and remember the name and close Mpeg Video Wizard.

Create a new AviSynth file:

LoadvfapiPlugin("(location of MVW installation)\MPEG Video Wizard DVD\WbpVFAPI.vfp","womble")
womble("(location of project file)\MyProject.wbp")

flipvertical #Video is always inverted to start with.
converttoyv12() #Output is RGB from MVW.

Most programs you'll go to to encode the video will want YV12 color.  If for some reason you're going mpeg2, CCE for the longest time required YUY2, color I don't know if that's still the case from SP3 and newer.

If you are going to convert this to standard definition after all this, you'll also want to add: ColorMatrix(mode="Rec.709->Rec.601").

I have found that the vfapipugin will assume a single resolution for the source.  It probably chooses what the first clip is.  In my tests I used 1080p with a bit of DVD video mixed in.  The DVD content was automatically upscaled to match.

If you are going to resize your video, the endlessly useful Aspect Ratio Calculator Tool from Citizen is your next stop: http://www.haku.co.uk/ARCT.html

I do recommend using Spline36Resize() over Lanczos4 for it's neutral sharp resizing.

MeGUI is probably your best answer for an x264 encoder.  It has BD5/9 (listed as AVCHD), Blu-Ray and numerous other presets.  You can plug your script right in, use a default (or make some tweaks) and encode.

Once your video is encoded, export the audio track in Womble, then mux it however you wish.  MKV is pretty much net standard or author a shiny Blu-ray and feel superior.

Appendix 1. DTS Audio source

If you're starting with DTS and you are doing anything to change the number of frames in the video source, you have to re-encode.

You can convert to a good bitrate AC3 before starting or you can go to a lossless format if you want to re-encode back to DTS or a Dolby Plus format later.

It is important to know that Womble can only output at best AC3 5.1 and PCM 2 channel.  If you require anything higher you're pretty much out of luck.

I recommend Eac3to for all audio encoding.  It's pretty straight forward to use.

eac3to inputfile.ext outputfile.ext -options

So if you are starting with DTSHD and going to AC3:

eac3to audio.dtshd audioout.ac3 -640

Gives 640kbps Dolby Digital and pretty much your best option.

eac3to audio.dtshd output.wav -downDpl

Will give you a Dolby ProLogic II stereo downmix (or skip the -downDpl if your source is 1 or 2 channels).

More details and options about Eac3tocan be found here: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Eac3to/How_to_Use


This is just a first draft, but I was impressed that Womble MVW-DVD could be used for more modern editing purposes.  I welcome suggestions for changes and corrections.

I'm kind of curious about:

Also, there appears to be a small delay on shipments of some copies of the Blu-ray release of Disney’s Who Framed Roger Rabbit?: 25th Anniversary Edition.  Amazon currently lists a shipping time of “9 to 12 days” and claims it’s “due to a manufacturing issue”.  In any case, just know that there may be slight delays in finding copies depending on the retailer you purchased the title from.

Does that mean they found something else to cut?

The only down side to doing a torrent is disc 2 has a lot of audio with still images.  If you use something like winrar it's compressible to something like 2gb.

Anyway, I may just post it and worry about it later if they have an issue with it.

Assuming I need permission for a redundant post, I've started an offer thread at the MySpleen forum for the Br'er Preservation v1.1 discs.

Hop over there to support it if you are interested.

monks19 said:

Hi, does anybody here how to convert a DTS-HD MA 7.1 audio file into 8 WAVS (channels) files ? I tryed with eac3to and HD-DVD/Blu-Ray Stream Extractor as a GUI, but withtout success. All it does is only output 6 audio files instead of 8 (which is to total amount contained in a DTS-HD MA 7.1 audio file, if I'm not wrong).

Anyone can help me with this, please ?

Thanks to answer

Eac3to is probably the ideal decoder/encoder at this point.

Nero7 and Libav / ffmpeg are limited to 5.1 channel decoding.

Sonic may or may not output 6.1 channels depending on the source track. ArcSoft doesn't have any limitation, therefore it is the default decoder used.

So if you really need 7.1 you'll need a piece of commercial software called ArcSoft TotalMedia Theater.

Command line:  eac3to Input.dtshd Output.wavs

I'm not sure what your ultimate destination is, converting DTS-HD MA is probably best achieved by extracting the 'core' which is a DVD compatible DTS track (but 5.1).

Mind you if you are looking to turn this into Dolby Digital, you will need a Dolby Digital Plus encoder.  I'm sure they exist, but I haven't actually seen one yet.

So I finally sorted out my ISP problems and was all ready to deliver on some of my promises.  Checking my PMs I can't find who was interested in The Little Mermaid.

Is there some interested parties or did I mis-remember?

Either way, I think SotS is probably next.  Anyone know if MySpleen was cool with yet-another-SotS version?

The question I'm afraid to ask... does any of this matter?

I mean grabbing some high quality stills of the cut frames would be more meaningful than cutting them into the movie.

I'm usually pretty good at catching fast action, but we are talking single frames here.  Do they even register when you watch it?  It's the whole reason they were able to slip by responsible parties and into theaters unnoticed.

Even a hummingbird couldn't catch Tyler at work.

Space Kiajuu - So is it definite the laserdisc has even more stuff that the French HDTV version doesn't have?

Any update on this?

Seems pretty simple to roll out anything and change later if needed.

Edit: Moth3r's icon looks great.  I'd also like to suggest something like:

So are you all saying the original R1 DVD release has the colors monkeyed with?

I saw the Matrix in theaters 3 times, I never noticed a difference on the DVD (but definitely in the sequels).

I see no reason why an accurate source can't be used as a guide to build an avisynth script anyone can plug in to convert their Blu-Ray.

Agreed, Chewtobacca.  DVD Rebuilder is the, um, stuff.

Thanks, drngr.  I was looking at the censorship report stills which are full frame.  The snaps from the French HDTV is indeed nice and wide.

@Moth3r, updated my post with the info about HDBRiSe.

@SilverWook, I can't believe I remembered that Rigid Tools poster when I saw it.  Thanks for the memory refresh.