For an HD source the picture is pretty awful.
Still an audio sync and just a replacement of the 3-4 changes would make this a good preservation. Of course then the whole thing would have to be full frame.
I suppose you could color match and extend the frame if you were talented.
This is probably the final settings I'll use on Deathly Hallows.
It's a tough balance. There's what would be good, and then there's what is consistent with Half Blood Prince (which is my goal).
While HBP was generally dim, only one scene was unreasonably dark. It also has much better color saturation than Deathly Hallows (which borders on grey scale at times).
I'm convinced that the color/brightness abuse was done to hide cheaper effects and makeup in DH than for artistic merit.
Anyway, here's some snapshots for DH1 and DH2 showing a variety of scene types.
Source : HDRAGC adjusted
FYI, HBP will probably get released, but ATM I'm having slow ISP issues.
I know it is an over used technique, but I've been pondering if some movies wouldn't be improved by its use.
I can think of several movies that use hyperkinetic rapid fire editing that turns the action scenes into a jumble of shaky cam flashing images.
Soooo... anyone with ideas or software suggestions for DIY speed ramping?
(For those that don't know, speed ramping is when a motion slows or stops for effect and then speeds back up again.)
I'm also curious what films people think would be improved by using this in a fan edit.
I'll post some screens of DH later on. I'm really aiming to see fixed some scenes that are inexplicably near black when there is cool things that should be seen.
If I don't add any deleted scenes to DH, I won't release it though.
I will however post the avisynth script that can be pasted into DVD Rebuilder for a quick easy self-coversion job anyone can do.
I've been having trouble finding a release outlet I'm comfortable with lately. A lot of places formerly safe or that welcomed edits no longer do.
Also, I held off because I thought there might have been a last minute tweak coming. I was looking at doing Deathly Hallows and it made me rethink some things.
I don't know about anyone else, but in the DH films, when my TV is set to it's most accurate movie viewing mode, there are scenes that are almost completely black.
While I will be making dynamically brightened versions of the DH films (mostly because I think the director is a hack to make them so dark), I've determined that although HPB is pretty damn dark at times, it never gets as bad as the two DH flicks.
I was worried that if I brightened Deathly Hallows they'd be brighter than HBP which wouldn't be right either. I think I've found a good balance.
I'm also pretty convinced extending the DH films is a waste of time. Most of the deleted scenes have unfinished effects, are lacking context to know what is going on, are really boring, or just don't feel necessary in these already unnecessarily strectched films.
There might be 1 or 2 useful scenes to each movie, and that's just not enough to go to the effort.
I believe he said he did it in HD, but hasn't released it. I'm not sure though.
My edit is DVD only. It's been finished, I just haven't found a way to release it yet.
Bayed what? BatB wip or you will have BatB wip? I'm a bit confused by your post Molly.
I quit. I'm tearing my hair out trying to find the safest way to share some of these.
Little Mermaid, Aladdin, SotS (and some non-Disney) stuff are ready to be upped, but I don't know how.
MySpleen is sort of gone, I don't know any other private trackers people would go for, usenets have complications and a lot of people won't use them, file storage sites are safe for d/l, but not really uploading.
Mediafire doesn't seem to work with the proxies I've tried, and I'm not prepared to start uploading there without one. (I got DMCA'd once for a sample fan edit clip that was under 1 minute.)
Maybe going back to pay-it-forward isn't such a bad idea.
MySpleen seemed to have been cool with SotS up until now. Will the allow new versions?
Edit: I used to do caps on my PC directly... and I'm actually happier going to a DVD recorder instead.
What I've started doing with that now is:
1 hour/DVD record speed, double capture, cut together both versions with Womble, merge (making sure the frames are in sync all the way through), inverse telecine (and whatever else), re-encode.
Technically I suppose the first DVD release of Little Mermaid is more accurate because it doesn't have the color changes. The quality is just poorer overall.
The Fantasia VHS has the censored scene and the Laserdisc is a shortened version of the film. Somewhere I have a divx of the censored scene. If I could get a better one I'd cut it into the film.
As mentioned, I do have ADM's Aladdin. There just hasn't been much interest in it.
Don't forget there was some changes in the dust in Lion King, I just don't know when that happened.
I'm still on the look out for uncensored Saludos Amigos.
Someone need to talk to MySpleen about which Disney's they'll allow and which they won't.
I figure I'm going to start putting stuff on MediaFire again (with a bit of security). Anyone know of a good proxy to use for uploading?
I was gonna use Tor/Vidalia, but it doesn't seem to work with MediaFire.
It seems MySpleen, although not a fan of most edits/preservations, is cool with SotS. Is a file safe site preferred by you guys or good old torrents.
(Sorry, I suppose that's a bit off topic.)
Mentor's cap was about 50% clean fields, which is about right for normal blended field broadcasts.
And I misspoke(?) before, I forgot that I used Restore24.
My later testing showed no real difference in the output between the two, just that Srestore is faster.
I already have a long list of stuff to get back out there, I guess the 2-disc edition is going to have to go on that list to.
It's weird since I had it posted on MediaFire for a really really long time. I'm surprised there aren't more copies floating around.
Which would be the same as the previous 2-disc version then.
Yay, another redundant confusing release.
@nirbateman - Probably useful even without a working tracker. DHT keeps even torrents with no tracker going.
I'd test it with what I have but the MySpleen version was an ISO, not VOB/IFO files so I'd have to start all over again.
I've been looking for the DVD9 version of that for awhile NeonBible. Someone payed it forward to me at one point, but it was a bad burn and he wouldn't send a replacement disc.
I can rip about 80-90% of it and help seed that much if someone has a complete copy.
The DVD5 version is a bit more common, but that's nearly 3 hours on a single layer disc.
If you can direct us to the original torrent from Molly it can probably be reseeded.
My ISP provides 6 month retention newsgroups as part of standard service. Probably one of the few left that do.
So uploads wouldn't cost me, and recent downloads are always available, but it does suck for others. I agree.
Anyone have suggestions for alternate private torrent sites or feelings about Usenets?
So are we going with the 2003 as being dead on accurate?
I say that because the fix should actually be pretty easy. If you consider that the photography process would cause a specific shift in the look across the whole film.
You could just find the difference, plug a single filter in, recode the whole film and be done.
As far as my shares, they are diverse, not many to do with this thread and not necessarily even OT Forums.
I do have a plan though and will possibly be giving Little Mermaid a home soon (and then 2-4 Harry Potter edits.)
After seeing the comparison of the supposedly more accurate 2003 DVD to the 2008 Sleeping Beauty I'm a bit befuddled.
There is a shot of a robin that is more pink (in 2003), and some other colors that just seem bizarre.
I considered getting the 2003 disc and using it as a guide for color correcting the 2008 SE, but once again I find the new version to be an improvement (I can't speak of the BD).
Unfortunately, I think there is no right answer.
First we have to consider that the animators had no technology to provide the kind of color fidelity we have now. So what ever they chose, to some degree, was them settling.
There is no doubt some color change happened in the photography process and the animators accounted for it. To my eye, though, a stronger factor appear to be that the 2003 DVD is suffering from aging of the film stock.
I suspect the right answer lies somewhere between the two.
Btw, I now have at least 3 things I'd like to share if I can ever figure out how/where to put them.
I never did color correct Little Mermaid. I just matched the one second to the new DVD color palette.
I did see Little Mermaid in theaters, but I couldn't tell you which was more accurate. The new color scheme really does seem a little better than the original which looked kind of crappy.
Supposedly, the people that originally worked on the film 'approved' the colors, but I think that's Disney holding a gun to them telling them they should approve what they see.
We're trying to get some distribution going on these films... if we can figure out how.
As far as Sleeping Beauty, odds are older is better, but you're going to loose the added image gained in the 2008 Platinum unless you do a lot of work color correcting the whole thing.
I'd assume the 2003 disc is the original color scheme based on the screenshots here: http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/34969/sleeping-beauty/
I know Disney has been messing with colors on new transfers, but I'm starting to think a lot of that is the change to a digital process is providing a more true color than the older photography processes allowed.
That said, I can't imagine the animators didn't know what they were compensating for. It may come down to a matter of taste without original animators stepping forward and saying what's right or wrong.
I'm assuming that's what Ron Dias was talking about. Did he actually SAY that the new colors aren't right?
There are several so called open trackers. It means they aren't tied to any website. If you build the .torrent file indicating one of those sites, they will accept and track the torrent without question (or the need to notify/upload anything).
Then you simply send the .torrent to those you want to allow to get on board.
The down side is unlike a site like MySpleen, people won't know it exists to join in later.
The upside is that it's more exclusive.
I was going to ask the same. I still have 10% of BatB from the Spleen failure.
I suppose we could use open trackers for the torrents if it is an issue.
Wow, I didn't remember the compositing of the training orb to be so bad...
I guess that's one of the advantages of low-rez blurry picture.
I did read an article somewhere about a guy working on a process (with avisynth?) for converting anaglyph to a more modern format.
I'll see if I can dig that link up.
My vote would be for Hondo and Kiss Me Kate.