Doctor M

We are getting off topic, but even with Fox holding the rights, a release of the whole Trilogy requires a deal between them AND Disney.  It's in both of their interests to play nice.

Considering there are upcoming sequels, I can't imagine either company would pass up the cross promotional bucks involved.

Sorry about the thread derailing.

Um, just rumor, but... http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/05/15/new-star-wars-rumors-include-original-trilogy-re-release-on-blu-rayvod-and-more/

Even if true, there is no way the audio mixes will be as diverse.

Why isn't the BD release a trilogy?  Are they embarrassed by the third film?

I missed something, are we talking SE or non-SE being on the way?

drngr said:

Doctor M said:

Why must they do this?

Taking a completed 2K file and creating a 1080p file, they can:

1. Crop only horizontally.
Maintains: 1:1 pixels, vertical image info.
Alters: aspect ratio by 6%, 128 pixel columns lost.

2. Crop horizontally and vertically.
Maintains: 1:1 pixels, aspect ratio.
Alters: 128 pixel columns and 54 rows lost.

3. Downsize by 15/16, generating artifacts that are especially visible for something with pin-point pixels (ex: ringing) The entire image is negatively altered.
Maintains: aspect ratio, horizontal & vertical image info.
Alters: all pixels malformed.

As nickdiba noted, #2 is common practice for Blu-ray releases, though I think "always" is overstating things. And overcropping for the sake of maintaining AR goes back to the LaserDisc days.

 That's a pretty solid argument.  I can see where they wouldn't want to resize the image since they can do a direct 1:1 pixel copy from their computers to BD... except is it really likely that their master is 2k?

I would THINK at this point it would be 4k, which would mean there is resizing no matter what.

Behodar said:

Doctor M said:

Behodar: Have you seen screenshot comparisons that can prove the edges are cropped and not that the matte was opened at the top/bottom?

I have. I found this screenshot when trying to determine the original aspect (be sure to right-click and open in new window to stop the forum from cropping the right-hand edge off):

And here's the same frame from the Blu-ray:

The back of the box also has a thumbnail in 2.39 (sorry about the quality):

And the Blu-ray:

I'm gonna call that pretty definitive.  Why must they do this?

I'm now betting that the Special Edition coming this holiday will miraculously have the correct AR.

Site rules do now allow links.  You've been a member for 4 years.  You should know that.

MySpleen is a torrent site.

Editroid said:

Where can I find your "Restored Versions" of Make Mine Music and Melody Time?

 This site could probably use a in thread search.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Recommended-Editions-of-Disney-Animated-and-Partially-Animated-Features/topic/15617/page/6/

nickdiba said:

Behodar said:

Doctor M said:

While reviews of the current BD are good, the aspect ratio is NOT theatrical, measuring 2.24:1 instead of 2.39:1.  Dunno why.

It seems to be due to laziness. The 2k master is 2048x858 (2.39) and instead of doing a proper rescale, they've cropped the edges off to make it 1920x858 (2.24).

*headdesk*

Edit: Just tried the iTunes download and it's in the wrong aspect too.

 As long as the master is the same for the DCP, that is what they always do with every movie. The ones in the "correct" 2.39 AR on the BD are simply further cropped (vertically) down to 1920*806, so we end up losing 12% of the picture. Check out the BD of Raiders of the lost ark. Nice crap, huh?

Behodar: Have you seen screenshot comparisons that can prove the edges are cropped and not that the matte was opened at the top/bottom?

If so it will be noted in the guide.

Since the second list isn't 'Diamond' I assume they're probably going to just use best available prints.  At least we can hope.

Yikes.  According to TheDigitalBits:

And here’s something Rumor Mill worthy... the Disney Wiki has listed street dates for upcoming Disney Diamond Edition Blu-ray animated titles, including Sleeping Beauty (10/2), 101 Dalmatians (2/3/15), Aladdin (10/6/15), and Pinocchio (2/2/16). The very same Wiki has also listed the following additional BD releases for this year: Muppets Most Wanted (June), Hercules (6/10), Tarzan (6/10), A Goofy Movie & An Extremely Goofy Movie (2-Movie Collection – 6/24), Mickey, Donald and Goofy: The Three Musketeers (Summer), The Black Cauldron: Special Edition (8/19), Bears (8/26), Fun and Fancy Free (9/30), The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad (9/30), Saludos Amigos & The Three Caballeros (2-Movie Collection – 12/2), Make Mine Music & Melody Time (2-Movie Collection – 12/2), and Planes: Fire & Rescue (12/9). Salt this information appropriately, but still... these dates make sense. Thanks to Bits reader Bill M. for the heads-up.

If the Russian color is good, though, it might be a good source for a chroma channel.

I haven't moved to Win7 quite yet so this is a good question.

I know Win7 Pro http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/install-and-use-windows-xp-mode-in-windows-7 (and 8 with some additional work http://lifehacker.com/5965889/how-to-run-windows-xp-for-free-in-windows-8/all) have the ability to run XP inside a window under the new operating systems.

Here is a guide if you don't have the Pro edition: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/10/how_to_run_xp_on_new_windows/

It should get QuickPar running, but I've never this.

Does QuickPar work in a virtual XP box?

AntcuFaalb said:

Doctor M said:

Purist recommendation: 1995 Laserdisc may be the best.  The 1982 Laserdisc source print was beat up, but is reported to have very accurate colors.

From where did you hear that the 1982 LD release has very accurate colors?

 That's a really good question... um, huh.

I think it was a forum discussion at DVDizzy: http://www.dvdizzy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21174

The problem is the comparison screenshots have oddly gone black and white so there is no proof besides people's opinion at the time they were posted.

An interesting discussion about the colors of Dumbo (at least in recent releases) can be found here: http://colorfulanimationexpressions.blogspot.com/2010/05/dumbo-for-our-times.html

I probably posted that link before.

jade88 said:

Is the DVD transfer in the Alice In Wonderlan 2011 Blu  Ray combo any good? I know that it's not the same trasnfer as the Blu Ray disc, i'm just wondering if it's better than the Gold collection or Masterpiece transfers.

 It's a transfer from the Lowry's restoration in 2004.  It was also re-released in 2010.  If you're a purist you  may not want it, but it is quite good and better than the 2011 BD.

You'll get the same transfer and a better selection of extras if you get an older DVD instead.

@ALL - Rumor has it Disney will be releasing a double dip/Special Edition of Frozen come the holiday season.  It should include more bonus features and a 3D version (which the UK already has).  Plan your purchases accordingly.

While reviews of the current BD are good, the aspect ratio is NOT theatrical, measuring 2.24:1 instead of 2.39:1.  Dunno why.

Edit: Also (unempirically), the DVD looks intentionally soft.  Could be yet another dirty trick to forcing people into buying BDs, could be to save bitrate, could be my eyes.

Can't it be both?

A long time ago via PIF I received a copy of "Love Actually Bloated and Flatulent..." on DVD9.  The burn was bad and I was never able to get any standalone device or optical drive to read it completely.

Every new optical drive I've bought over the years, I always use it as a sort of stress test for reading bad discs just to see how much it can actually get through before giving up.

Testing my nifty new Pioneer BDR drive today and... it reads 100%!!

So I offer to revive this long missing ADM edit.  Is there interest in the DVD9 version?  I also have the official DVD5 shrunk version as well.

Chime in, PM me, whatever and I'll see about sharing.

It goes without saying that a new BD version would be even better.

Is that the same frame with the missing pixie dust?  Because that looks great.

Edit: No it is a frame early but it looks like it has the same amount of pixie dust as the laserdisc, just with more detail, dirt and better colors: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Recommended-Editions-of-Disney-Animated-and-Partially-Animated-Features/post/653541/#TopicPost653541

Looks

I guess Sword in The Stone having a good HDTV release is an exception.  Pity.

@Laserschwert - Sure, check TPB.  You'll probably want to strip the 3 Russian audio tracks.

monks19 said:

There is a 1080i hdtv version listed on TehParadox but the only screen shot isn't from an animated scene.  I have no idea what the quality is and it's about all I can find.

Anyone else?

Dr M, the 1080i hdtv version you mentioned uses exactly the same master for the actual blu-ray. I just checked. I will post later some screen caps of it and also some of the gold collection dvd edition .

 There is also an Hindi HDTV version floating around.  And that is all I know about that.  Thanks for checking the 1080i one.

There is a 1080i hdtv version listed on TehParadox but the only screen shot isn't from an animated scene.  I have no idea what the quality is and it's about all I can find.

Anyone else?

I realized the guide needs a small update.  Apparently the 3D version of Chicken Little is inexplicably poor, which should be mentioned.

I know I haven't given comment to the recent Jungle Book (which seems to be as poor as expected).

Anyone have any other updates they want added or that I've missed?

Btw, just re-watched Chicken Little for the first time in 8 years and was shocked to find it enjoyable.  That wasn't my experience the first time.  No idea why, but it was worth a second look.

Does the laserdisc have the same ghosting from DNR as the first DVD?

The '93 LD was the same master as the first DVD, but the '87 LD was different.