Director

I am probably going to get a lot of hate from even mentioning this but I liked the 1997 version of the HanGreedo scene. Shame Lucas and DISNEY keep updating it.

in 2077, there is probably a “Super Hyper Mega Ultra Definitive Final Special Edition 100 Year Anniversary” where Greedo and Han both shoot at each other, missing for a total of 3 minutes before Greedo shoots in the wall and the laser bounces back to him and kills him.

NotTheDri0ds said:

G&G-Fan said:

If you’re gonna put the Death Star near a planet, I’d recommend something like Coruscant or Geonosis. It’d be cool if it was a rather alien planet and not too Earth-like.

Geonosis could work, since it’s pretty remote. Coruscant would be kinda weird.

It’s a secret weapon, parking it outside of the Galactic Capital would probably be noticed lol.

Thanks for the suggestions. I was going to add a planet nearby.

Director said:

Hello. This project was supposed to be ready already on September 12, 2024. But due to the lack of time, I had to delay it to 19th day of September, but that also was too little. And eventually the entire project entered a pause. The last time I did any major things to this edit was around May 2024 when I started this project, it had a OT.com post.

CURRENT SITUATION AND BACKGROUND

I started working on this on May 2024, and I used the 2019 Disney edition as the master, but then it took more space than my device could handle, so it was paused until August. I used a new master, but due to the delays, it was paused again.

Now, as of January 2025, I will restart this project. I recently finished the best version for my 1997 preservation, and I have a device which has double the amount of storage the old one had, so I set 20 Gigabytes to be the absolute maximum of this project, and will tend to use only about 10GB. I will use the 2019 Disney editions and reconstruct the 1997 editions using those. The 1997 editions I restored are not usable as the master of this project due to their 1997 quality, so I will reconstruct those using the 2019 master. Many of you will probably ask why can’t I just use 4K97 as the master, and the answer is that it takes too much space, and its colours are difficult to correct, not to mention the German audio in 4K97_V. And the other possible source would be ImBateman’s reconstruction, but ImBateman is not active or sharing the links, and MySpleen torrents have a low amount of seeders, so I will have to reconstruct them myself. I will use the least space-taking 4K77, 4K80 & 4K83 scans to replace changes made after 1997. I will also use the lowest space taking but highest quality clip of Jabba in ANH. I will then colourcorrect these to my liking. I will export the film scans as 720p 24fps. I will then use those 720p scans as the master of my fanedit. So now I will just have to make the changes. I will upload the 1997 reconstructed master somewhere private for myself and delete it from my device, but I will not share it, because it is only used for this fanedit. But unless many of you want to use it, I can share. The previosly mentioned process will start sooner or later.

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Facebook page: ‘Star Wars: Enhanced edition saga’
Website: https://www.starwarsee.wordpress.com/

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I wonder if I can still get this.

puzosep said:

Any info from oldest VHS and BETAMAX PAL recordings? Old exRental/Retail releases only use the source? Or and old TV-recordings?? Likely good colours from SAT1 TV-premiere taken from 1990 or 1992 years.

Well, the oldest VHS and Betamax tapes of Star Wars were from around 1982. I used clips taken from those VHS tapes and edited the colours to look identical. there might be some TV recordings as well.

Basic info

I started this project on May 2024. This project uses multiple sources from 1977-1987. The movie is the unaltered 1977 movie but the most important part here is the colour. I have used the oldest VHS and Betamax tape footage to see what the colours looked like, and then put those colours into the film. Currently the first version is available. I appreciate all feedback. You can get those via PMs, just make sure you have official access to watching an official version.

Technical info

File size: around 1,7 GB
Audio mix: stereo (2 speakers)
Format: MP4 (.mp4)
Sources: multiple widescreen sources, mostly PAL sources. Also the 2006 limited version (or GOUT) is included.
Resolution: 480p
Aspect ratio: 4:3 letterbox (can be cropped to 2.39:1 or 2.35:1)

That’s all I have to say as of now.

Copyright, C/© 1977 Lucasfilm Ltd. LLC & 20th Century Studios

That guy with no name said:

Hello everyone,
I’ve been currently working on a remastered version of the 2019/2020 Blu-ray of episode 4.
Using the Adywan 2018 grade as a reference I’ve gone in and color-corrected the film shot by shot.
I’ve also fixed many of the issues including Detail loss, Static Grain, and displaced power windows.
for the few shots, I wasn’t able to replace, I’ve used the cleaned-up 4K77 Skywalker edition, in some shots that don’t look good on any source, I’ve upscaled / Regraned the 2011 Blu-ray for that one or two shots.
I have Despecialised about three shots in the whole film, including but not limited to The CGI Rocks in front of Artoo, Two shots of the Ronto in mos-eisly, Greedo’s death, and maybe “Dark Vader”.
I’ve made this edit so that future fan edits of episode 4 won’t look like hogwash.
thanks.

Sources:
2011 Blu-ray (Adywan grade).
2020 Blu-ray.
4K77 (skywalker edition).

Software:
Davinci resolve 17 Studio.
Topaz Video Enhance AI.
Neat video version 5.
Dr.Dre’s color matching tool

Hopefully, if this edit goes well I’ll do Episode 5 as well

What is the status of this project at the moment? I am interested in using this as the master of my fanedits if I decide to continue making them.

update: I recently edited these movies slightly to make sure the colours match, so you will receive the updated version if you now ask for these. also everyone who previously got the older versions, can ask for the updated version.

I am again online on this forum, so feel free to ask links for the movies if interested.

Bobson Dugnutt said:

Director said:

Well, it seems you have more questions than I can answer inside a thread,

Why? Is there a character limit or something?

Director said:

I do not wish to use any TN1 scans due to their scans having bad colour that would require me to spend another 5 years.

Another 5 years? I thought you started working on this in “November 2023” as per your current original post.

Arguably, you are wasting your time by working with such a low quality source, being this mysterious scan done in 2012 that no one has ever heard of that looks more like the GOUT.

And yeah, look at those bad colours. Terrible, unusable. Definitely better to use some “unknown scan from 12 years ago in SD” (GOUT) rather than a fresh HD scan.

While you can call the preservation 2006 Dvd/GOUT (or whatever name it is called), but the unrestored version of the videos were very red, blue or green, and I fixed them within 5 years, but while 4K97 would normally be a good choice, the audio mix of Empire when I put it in my editing apps, is German, and ANH cantina colours are far from accurate and would require me to spend a lot of time exporting and importing the same video just to get the colours right, same thing with binary sunset and Death Star interior scenes.

RU.08 said:

Director said:

Well, it seems you have more questions than I can answer inside a thread, but yes, there was no release In 1996, but the film versions and reels that were used in 1997 release, were ready in the end of 1996. And the Swedish website was a torrent website, the user was using English for communication. The original scan file has been created in May 22, 2012, and last modified in 2013. I do not wish to use any TN1 scans due to their scans having bad colour that would require me to spend another 5 years. And the films “always being 480p”… did you even read the responses? that was a mistake I made.

There’s a few different things here.

The colour grading in Star Wars and Empire in particular is all over the place on 35mm. That was part of the creative process GL chose to follow: audiences are more forgiving of inconsistent colourtiming in a blackened cinema. He made other decisions as well that resulted in lower-quality scenes technically but allowed more of the effects scenes: lower spec matte paintings, shooting scenes for optical composition on 35mm instead of 65mm and so-on. Secondly, different shots fade at different rates based on the density of the shot itself. This is why, for example, all the optical-wipes had to be re-done for the 1997 SE - because those scenes had faded to the point that it was impossible to restore them to be consistent with the before and after scenes.

The detail in an average SW print is about 1.5K - not 480p (0.7K).

I have noticed the 480p videos have more detail than there should be on a 480p video, so you are right. And yes, I totally agree with what you said before. I am not really satisfied with the 1997 colours but I made them accurate for the preservation.

Bobson Dugnutt said:

Director said:

Well, it seems you have more questions than I can answer inside a thread,

Why? Is there a character limit or something?

Director said:

I do not wish to use any TN1 scans due to their scans having bad colour that would require me to spend another 5 years.

Another 5 years? I thought you started working on this in “November 2023” as per your current original post.

Arguably, you are wasting your time by working with such a low quality source, being this mysterious scan done in 2012 that no one has ever heard of that looks more like the GOUT.

And yeah, look at those bad colours. Terrible, unusable. Definitely better to use some “unknown scan from 12 years ago in SD” (GOUT) rather than a fresh HD scan.

Well, technically yes and technically no. the fixing of the colour began already in 2019.

Bobson Dugnutt said:

Yeah I still don’t understand what this project is, nor what the goal is.

There was no wide release of the OT in 1996. The SE was 97.

No one is familiar with any 35mm scan of the SE OT being done in 2012. Certainly not from an anon user on “a Swedish site”. As far as I know, no 35mm SW scans were released until at least 2016 with the SSE.

If a scan was released on a swedish site, then wouldn’t it be from a swedish user, scanning a swedish print of the Stjärnornas Krig Trilogin? All the crawls and credits you show off are in English, not swedish.

You say it was discoloured so you “corrected to look like it was in 1997”, what’s your source on colour reference?

And why is this in 480p? You insist that “the films were 480p in 1997” but clearly a cinema print of a brand new $20 million restoration of the most successful films of all time would not be in standard definition.

Also, why do this in SD too? There are at least a dozen scans of the OT that have been done in the past few years. Why use a “35mm film print from 1996, scanned to digital in 2012” that is apparently only in 480p. Why not use 4K97_IV or any other high quality sources?

I get more questions than answers from this thread.

Well, it seems you have more questions than I can answer inside a thread, but yes, there was no release In 1996, but the film versions and reels that were used in 1997 release, were ready in the end of 1996. And the Swedish website was a torrent website, the user was using English for communication. The original scan file has been created in May 22, 2012, and last modified in 2013. I do not wish to use any TN1 scans due to their scans having bad colour that would require me to spend another 5 years. And the films “always being 480p”… did you even read the responses? that was a mistake I made.

bkev said:

Hi Director,

First off I thank you for your openness to learn. As That guy with no name said, people are rather passionate here – and, whether on purpose or not, to those unfamiliar with the tone here it can very much come off as snark.

Second, I appreciate you adding clarity on your sources. You’ll find that many of us will still be confused as none are familiar with a scan of the SE done in 2012. I am sure I am not the only one who would be curious to see some raw capture of that footage if you still have it handy, as the archivist in me (and ideally all of us) would love to learn more.

While I imagine being in 480p means this project is not for me, I’m always curious about the creative process behind restorations.

Thank you for your response. I might make a v2.0 this year or 2025. It will be done with a different scan but same colours and will be either 720p or 1080p.

That guy with no name said:

Director said:

That guy with no name said:

Director said:

SonnyGFunk said:

Director said:

stwd4nder2 said:

This thread feels like an elaborate troll…

Well I can close it if it leads to this kind of debates.

I’m sure no one wants this thread closed, we’re just curious as to which sources you have used and the reasoning for some of your workflow choices. You say you haven’t used any of the TN1 scans, in that case which 35mm scans have you used? Is it all 35mm based? As Adywan has noted the resolution of a 35mm release print is somewhere within the 720p-1080p range, so the decision to issue a 480p release is a bit confusing.

Ok, I understand. there was a long and heated debate about this at thestarwarstrilogy forums.

I really hope your not feeling to bad about all this. You just misunderstood things that’s all. We explained things to you, and to your credit your accepted it. It’s not a debate or an argument. It was just a mistake.

Keep on trying and you’ll get better.

Thank you for your kind words. I really did regret ever announcing this until I noticed that the people at thestarwarstrilogy.com are not trying to be mean and then I noticed your newest message. Your words convinced me to not close this thread.

No one’s trying to be mean. they may seem like that, but it’s just that there very passionate, as I’m sure you are.

Yes, I understood. I have added sources to the FAQ section of the main text.

That guy with no name said:

Director said:

SonnyGFunk said:

Director said:

stwd4nder2 said:

This thread feels like an elaborate troll…

Well I can close it if it leads to this kind of debates.

I’m sure no one wants this thread closed, we’re just curious as to which sources you have used and the reasoning for some of your workflow choices. You say you haven’t used any of the TN1 scans, in that case which 35mm scans have you used? Is it all 35mm based? As Adywan has noted the resolution of a 35mm release print is somewhere within the 720p-1080p range, so the decision to issue a 480p release is a bit confusing.

Ok, I understand. there was a long and heated debate about this at thestarwarstrilogy forums.

I really hope your not feeling to bad about all this. You just misunderstood things that’s all. We explained things to you, and to your credit your accepted it. It’s not a debate or an argument. It was just a mistake.

Keep on trying and you’ll get better.

Thank you for your kind words. I really did regret ever announcing this until I noticed that the people at thestarwarstrilogy.com are not trying to be mean and then I noticed your newest message. Your words convinced me to not close this thread.

SonnyGFunk said:

Director said:

stwd4nder2 said:

This thread feels like an elaborate troll…

Well I can close it if it leads to this kind of debates.

I’m sure no one wants this thread closed, we’re just curious as to which sources you have used and the reasoning for some of your workflow choices. You say you haven’t used any of the TN1 scans, in that case which 35mm scans have you used? Is it all 35mm based? As Adywan has noted the resolution of a 35mm release print is somewhere within the 720p-1080p range, so the decision to issue a 480p release is a bit confusing.

Ok, I understand. there was a long and heated debate about this at thestarwarstrilogy forums.

Then something in my research was wrong. thank you for starting this conversation.

CatBus said:

Director said:

LexX said:

CatBus said:

Don Porcino said:

Hi, does this project include Finnish subtitles on all the movies in the trilogy and if it does could i get them?

Yes it does! PM sent.

FWIW, the Finnish subtitles in Project Threepio were translated by one our own users, LexX. The official Finnish subtitles tend to be abbreviated/summarized, which loses some of the flavor of the original dialogue.

Indeed, and I have a new and improved, hopefully final version ready. I try to keep an eye out when the next update is coming and I can send those your way.

How fluent the Finnish subtitles are? Are they translated using a translator or?

LexX is a native Finnish speaker and a Star Wars fan… so the best combination.

Okay, that is good, I am Finnish so I wanted to know how good the subtitles are.

stwd4nder2 said:

This thread feels like an elaborate troll…

Well I can close it if it leads to this kind of debates.

adywan said:

Director said:

adywan said:

Director said:

doubleofive said:

I do not understand what is happening here. So you got full film scans (from the Team Negative One forums?), and then you color corrected them, then un-color corrected them, they compressed them to DVD resolution?

No? But maybe I explained it unclearly; so I got the scans years ago and NOT from TN1 forums. I did some remastering and cleaning, and then I used a foreign colour-match tool (not the one in this forum) to make the colours perfectly match the cinema versions. TheStarWarsTrilogy.com forum has a 4K97 but it is not the best in colour and the quality of the films were always 480p, I did nothing but transfer the films to an MP4 file as 480p.

Why do you keep insisting that the quality of the films were always 480p, when you have been told on numerous occasions that they were NOT?

The films were 480p in 1997, and I do not understand why have you not understood it? The films were released as 360p in home video releases, and the original videos from 1996 were 480p. And when I got the scans, they were 480p. If they are not 480p, what is it then? the films were 480p in 1997, and I have no intention of making a 720p, 1080p, 1440p or 4K version. I do not wish to argue, but this is getting me irritated.

The films projected at the theatres in 1997 were NOT 480p. Depending on where you saw it you were watching the equivalent of over 720p when viewing a 35mm film print. as these prints were newer than the originals, taken from the newer negative and with newer film stock , it’s closer to 1080p that it would be to 480p. Even back in 1977, with older projection and different film stocks , you would still be viewing something around 720p, if not higher. Just take a look at the scans of the films done by TeamNegtive1. They were taken from theatrical prints that would have been shown in cinemas. THAT is what you would have been seeing. You can’t honestly think that they are really only 480p worth of detail in there.

Well, it does not matter what they are presented on, but let’s avoid arguments and/or debates in the future.

adywan said:

Director said:

doubleofive said:

I do not understand what is happening here. So you got full film scans (from the Team Negative One forums?), and then you color corrected them, then un-color corrected them, they compressed them to DVD resolution?

No? But maybe I explained it unclearly; so I got the scans years ago and NOT from TN1 forums. I did some remastering and cleaning, and then I used a foreign colour-match tool (not the one in this forum) to make the colours perfectly match the cinema versions. TheStarWarsTrilogy.com forum has a 4K97 but it is not the best in colour and the quality of the films were always 480p, I did nothing but transfer the films to an MP4 file as 480p.

Why do you keep insisting that the quality of the films were always 480p, when you have been told on numerous occasions that they were NOT?

The films were 480p in 1997, and I do not understand why have you not understood it? The films were released as 360p in home video releases, and the original videos from 1996 were 480p. And when I got the scans, they were 480p. If they are not 480p, what is it then? the films were 480p in 1997, and I have no intention of making a 720p, 1080p, 1440p or 4K version. I do not wish to argue, but this is getting me irritated.

LexX said:

CatBus said:

Don Porcino said:

Hi, does this project include Finnish subtitles on all the movies in the trilogy and if it does could i get them?

Yes it does! PM sent.

FWIW, the Finnish subtitles in Project Threepio were translated by one our own users, LexX. The official Finnish subtitles tend to be abbreviated/summarized, which loses some of the flavor of the original dialogue.

Indeed, and I have a new and improved, hopefully final version ready. I try to keep an eye out when the next update is coming and I can send those your way.

How fluent the Finnish subtitles are? Are they translated using a translator or?

doubleofive said:

I do not understand what is happening here. So you got full film scans (from the Team Negative One forums?), and then you color corrected them, then un-color corrected them, they compressed them to DVD resolution?

No? But maybe I explained it unclearly; so I got the scans years ago and NOT from TN1 forums. I did some remastering and cleaning, and then I used a foreign colour-match tool (not the one in this forum) to make the colours perfectly match the cinema versions. TheStarWarsTrilogy.com forum has a 4K97 but it is not the best in colour and the quality of the films were always 480p, I did nothing but transfer the films to an MP4 file as 480p.

Caston said:

ArcherEdits said:

The '97SE vhs tapes are the Star Wars OT I grew up on, but I’ve rally struggled finding a good quality version of them since, really bums me out 😕

Check the 1997 Special Edition OT Preservation Projects category of the An Index Of Projects & Help Thread for Star Wars Preservations thread for all the 1997SE projects, including some HD projects that have been released.

Most of the preservations have yellowish colour, especially during A New Hope cantina scenes.