That makes sense. Good luck!
I’m so excited for the finished version of this. Every clip you share is better and better. The Ahsoka reference, your move of the Kashyyyk scene. It’s all great.
I really like the “Don’t you turn against me.” It really feels like something Lanter’s Anakin would say.
Though “Anakin please, face up to what you’ve done” still sounds off. And I miss Obi-Wan’s like about Anakin betraying Democracy. It feels important.
Might it be worth it to cut Padme’s “He knows” when talking to Anakin about how Obi-Wan cares about them? Anakin knows Obi-Wan knows as far back as Bad Batch episode 2. I could see it working with the line, the logic being something like Anakin is confirming that she knows Obi-Wan knows. Just curious.
I imagine that it wouldn’t be too difficult to find shots where you can’t see her belly, especially since there’s only so much space to intercut the footage anyway.
Two changes I think should be made are about Boba & Padme.
First, In my unreleased RotJ cut I have cut together Luke slashing at Boba with his saber with Boba’s jetpack malfunctioning so it looks like Luke is intentionally responsible not Han’s bumbling.
The other is since I’m Labyrinth of Evil Padme survived, I think cutting footage of Padme’s funeral into Leia taking about how Padme was always sad and died when she was very young. In that scene Padme’s little cousin could stand in for young Leia.
I know folks aren’t big on prequel footage in the OT, but thought I’d share my thoughts! Take care Hal, I know you’re very busy rn.
Loving that this project is still up and kicking. I haven’t kept tabs in a while since I thought it was dead. I only have one minor criticism though, and that’s on the “your Padawan” line. It’s wonderfully edited but I feel it doesn’t fit as both of them are well aware that Ahsoka has distanced herself from the Jedi. Of course, you could argue it’s a force of habit on Obi’s part, but it feels a bit out of place imo.
That really is something I can live with. It is absolutely necessary for a TCW cut of RotS to mention Ahsoka in some fashion. After everything it makes no sense for her to be completely left out. I think force of habit is a perfect explanation, I mean for the first few years of being on the council and being a master Kenobi kept referring to the rest of the council as “Master”, Anakin keeps referring to Obi-Wan as master until the very end.
My only other Ahsoka reference wish would be for Anakin to bring her up when gets appointed to the council. “What? Why? Is this because Ahsoka never finished her training?”
Idk, it just strains credulity for me. I guess I can see Padme wanting time tell him, but putting it off each time they holo-Skype cus she doesn’t want to distract him. And talking it over more with my wife, the bit where Padme talks about losing their careers makes sense in terms of getting Anakin to stop worrying about her dying, and focus on surmountable problems.
The other issue for me then is, and this is way beyond the scope of the edit, that no matter how the timeline plays out, the babies would very premature and sickly, unable to cry, and in need of intensive care. I know it doesn’t really matter, but it annoys the hell out of me.
ROTS was always written to only take place over about a week.
The novelization of the film gave it a 2-3 month period.
But let’s say it always was supposed to be 3-10 days. Padme really didn’t tell Anakin for 8-9 months that she was pregnant? The way they talk about “going early to naboo to get the baby’s room ready” is not what someone who’s giving birth in two weeks would say. It just doesn’t work based on how pregnancy maps out.
Here’s my proof of concept for the Padme/Anakin Reunion and the the other scene: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1AKxAOQH81R-b88yyzAYFYrfbBdL7EUS5
It’s unfortunate, but when RotS was written it clearly took place over about six months from shortly after Padme found out she’s pregnant (usually this happens for twins after 6-8 weeks) to her being able to give birth to viable twins(who don’t need intensive care) 7-8 months of pregnancy at the earliest.
This has been changed in the new canon, where RotS now takes place over three days. In S7E2 the hologram of Padme shows a woman who is 4.5 to 5 months pregnant. RotS is still a few months off from the end of the Bad Batch arc, there is no way that Padme kept that big of a secret for 7-8 months.
So imo their conversations about the babies need to not sound like they are expecting her to be pregnant for months, and in the TE that is how they sound.
I’m really excited for the next version of this. Pretty much every idea that has been discussed for it sounds great. I love the “your Padawan” bit and what you’ve done to enhance Padme as a decisive character.
One major thing I think that needs to be addressed, in light of TCW S7E2 is Padme’s pregnancy.
Two aspects of it are the timeline, and her (lack of) knowledge that she’s carrying twins.
S7E2, part of the “Outer Rim Sieges” which has kept Anakin away “forever”, clearly shows a pregnant Padme. In the holo convo she knows she’s pregnant and their is no way Anakin doesn’t know at that point.
Their reunion scene at the top of RotS needs to lose Padme saying she’s pregnant and Anakin saying this is the happiest day of his life.
I would love to see an attempt to edit Natalie & Hayden’s lines, borrowing from other scenes, to have Anakin say “You’re trembling? How are the babies?”
And she can reply that they’re fine, that she’s trembling because she heard “whispers you had died.”
The “blinded by love” scene needs to lose the bit about going to naboo early to fit the new timeline.
This might be trickier cus Anakin & Padme say “the baby” a lot, but I think it is necessary because there is no freaking way that with all the tech she has access to that she doesn’t know she’s carrying twins.
And then in the scene in her apartment where they are discussing the consequences of the pregnancy Padme says “this baby will change everything. I doubt the queen will let me continue to serve as senator and if the Jedi council finds out you’re the father…”
This line, and every implication that Padme being an unmarried senator/single mother is taboo should go.
I think her line should be edited to something like this:
“This will change everything. If the Jedi Council finds out you’re the father…”
I can do some rough proof-of-concepts and try and upload them.
Have you toyed with adding back Anakin’s “Save Me!” When he’s burning?
Also, I actually would really love to see RotS cut into episodes of TCW 😃
And are you using Hal’s alternate ending?
Jumping back up to the discussion of the ghosts, I think it is really important to add Ben and Anakin to the end. Anakin was the first important Skywalker and Rey the last. If this is actually the “Skywalker Saga” and truly a multi-generational story, then all of them should be present. It ties it all together in the final moments.
As for Rey’s lightsaber, I absolutely agree with doing something to make it apparent Rey rebuilt it, cus I kept waiting for that to be said in the movie and it wasn’t, she was just magically using a broken saber. And that felt thematically weird to me.
The only issue I'd have with that, is that you'd have two uneven lengths for the 2003 CW stuff. About an hour of Footage that ends with Anakin being knighted, and the lead into RoTS is only another 30 min.
It is currently only available as a workprint, as I'm still making adjustments. If you are interested in watching to review it/share thoughts, just PM me.
Hello! This is my first topic here, though I've been working on this edit for a while and have posted about it over on Fanedit.org
This edit was inspired after watching Spence's edit and finding the story much improved. The goal is to present a darker, more enjoyable take on take on this story that is more in line with ESB and ROTS than TPM or ANH. My intent is also to have the end result still be canon. So characters who die in the original will still die here, even if I change exactly how that happens. Many ideas are drawn from Spence's "Final Cut", Yad's "Dan Edit" and from reading some of the "RotJ Edit" suggestions on this board.
Footage is sourced from Spence's RotJ Final Cut, Harmy's DeSpecialized RotJ, (Both with permission) and the RotJ BluRay. The footage is 720p, as that is all my machine can handle editing.
ADDED new opening crawl. Title is now LAST OF THE JEDI. (still WIP, made in Windows Media Maker...)As per the new crawl Luke has been on Dagobah for a while to train and determine whether Vader was telling the truth. about being his Father.AS SUCH:- Film starts with Vader arriving at the Death Star- Inserted deleted scene of Vader contacting Luke and Luke making his saber.- CUT Yoda confirming Vader is Luke’s father.AFTER Yoda's Death CUT TO Jabba's Palace-- CUT frog guy eating a rodent in in the Jabba’s palace wide shot.- REPLACED many of Jabba’s subtitles, hoping to give him more character.- TRIMMED Lapti Nek Musical sequence so that C-3PO is not in scene.- CUT SE shots of the Rancor pit.- TRIMMED Leia the Bounty Hunter delivering Chewbacca. New subtitles allow the scene to proceed without C-3PO.- Reworked audio in Leia/Chewie scene, set to ‘Bounty For A Wookiee’ from the soundtrack, rather than the Max Rebo Song- During Han's thaw, shots of Jabba re-framed to cut 3PO out of the shot.- ADDED Luke sensing his friends are in trouble when they get caught by Jabba, using shots from him feeling Kenobi’s presence on Dagobah. Inspired by the way ESB did his "there in danger" visions-TRIMMED Obi-Wan’s ghost. They no longer discuss Leia being Luke's sister. This is better discussed later.- MOVED Han and Chewy in the prison cell to after Luke speaks with Obi-Wan.- CUT Han being filled in by Chewy on what’s going on.- ADDED shots of Luke flying away from Dagobah from ESB, making it appear that he is headed for Tattooine.- MOVED Droids arrival to after prison cell scene.- CUT 3PO’s dialogue about Lando and Chewy never returning.- ADDED Leia chained up with Jabba during the scene with the droids.- CUT/CROPPED any shots that show Leia not being there.- Reworked Luke’s message to get to point faster.- Reworked scene where Luke confronts Jabba, many small cuts and changes to heighten drama- Reworked the ‘sentencing’ scene with tense music,- CUT 3PO not knowing about Luke’s plan to give them to Jabba.- CUT the end of the droid scene, ending it now with 3PO’s “We’re Doomed!” leads into the torture scene- MOVED Emperor’s arrival at the Death Star to after the Droids in Jabba’s Palace.- MOVED Luke’s arrival to right after Emperor Death Star scene.- REPLACED original Sarlaac and sounds in every shot.- CUT “3PO, tell that slimey piece of…” Now Han just says “He’ll get no such pleasure from us!”- CUT a few shots of everyone looking at each other before Luke walks the plank.- CUT Threepio on the barge from action sequence.- CUT many little things in the Skiff fight for pacing.- ALTERED the Bobba/Luke fight so that it is Luke who sends him flying.- ADDED shot of Bobba laying face down in the sand. Repurposed from shots of Boba lying on the skiff.- MOVED 3PO and R2 falling off the barge to after Luke fires the canon at the deck. Now it looks like they jump off just as the explosion occurs.- CUT dialog about the group separating on their way to the fleet.- MOVED Rebel briefing to after they leave Tattooine.- CUT some of the dialogue after Han is announced as leading the Endor away team to remove some cheese.- TRIMMED Luke walking into the briefing to seem less like he's been gone weeks.- CUT the beginning of Han and Lando talking about the Falcon, so it feels like we come into the middle of their conversation.- MOVED the shuttle arrival at Endor to right after they leave the Fleet.- ADDED Death Star establishing shot to smooth transition between these scenes.- CUT some of Han’s shenanigans and other dialogue from the Faking the Code scene. Now the focus is mainly on Luke and Vader sensing each other.- CUT “Hey, it’s me!” sequence.- CHANGED is so it isn't Han walking on the twig that alerts the stormtrooper, instead it is Chewie's loud growl.- ADDED music to Speeder Bike chase. (sourced from Spence's edit)- CUT various shots from Speeder chase for pacing.- CUT Leia/Luke dialogue in this scene other than “Jam their comms!)- CUT Leia passing out after she falls off of her speeder bike.- CUT most of Wicket’s first scene. We just see him walk up to Leia with his spear. (I hope to trim this even more so that we don't know what is coming at Leia)- CUT the stupidity of everyone standing around looking at the Ewok’s trap. Chewy now goes straight for the meat.- CUT Han and 3PO’s exchange about “proper”- CUT some of the end of the Levitation scene.- MOVED Vader arriving on Endor to right before the C3-PO storytelling sequence.- CUT 3PO’s story after “Yes, R2, I was getting to that.” Removed rest of that scene.- MOVED Luke walking outside to earlier in 3PO’s story.- TRIMMED Han coming outside so that he asks "What's Wrong" and Leia says "hold me"- CUT Vader’s dialogue about it being “Too late for me now”- CUT some of the Ewok on the Speeder bike.- CUT Han tapping the guard on the shoulder. It’s now implied that they all followed the Ewok on the bike and we cut straight to the door opening.- ADDED shots from ESB of Vader’s shuttle flying to The Executor and landing, which moves Luke/Vader/Emperor scenes to a Star Destroyer rather than the Death Star.(FROM Spence's edit.)- CUT “Bring those two down here!” When 3PO distracts the Imperials. It makes no sense, they only saw 3PO.- CUT many Ewok scenes. Anything involving traps or over-cutesy stuff is gone.- ADDED Death Star to many window shots in the Throne Room (Thanks to Bobgarcia74 FROM Spence's edit.)- CUT “Witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational battle station!”- ADDED Reversal of the shot where Luke/Vader clash sabers in front of the Emperor, so it looks like they lift them up again.- MOVED all of the Vader/Luke fight to immediately after they clash sabers.- Added Duel of the Fates the Vader/Luke battle. (would not be in Purist Edit)- CUT Emperor’s dialogue during the scene.- CUT Luke kicking Vader down the stairs and him walking back up.- CUT all dialogue from Luke jumping to the rafters to Vader throwing his saber. Now he throws it at him immediately after he jumps out of the way.- CUT some of Vader walking down the stairs.- CUT Luke responding to Vader while he’s hiding.- DARKENED Luke standing in the shadows.- MOVED some of the fleet battle to after “So be it, Jedi.”- MOVED Leia and Han trying to open the door to after “we’ve gotta give him more time!”- MOVED Chewy and Ewoks taking the ATST to after the extra blast doors close.- CUT some bits of the ATST takeover to make it less silly.- MOVED Leia being shot to after ATST sequence.- MOVED Vader’s redemption to after Han’s “I’ve got an idea.”- ADDED flashes from AotC/RotS to show that Vader is remembering all the lies that Palpatine has told him. (Will be cut for purist edit)- MOVED Han taking the bunker to right after Emperor’s death.- MOVED Han running from the bunker and the explosion to right after they set the charges.- CUT Han’s reaction to the explosion.- Altered shots of the exploding shield generator to not appear to destroy the entire forest.- MOVED “The shield is down, commence attack!” to right after explosion.- CUT the Executor being destroyed. The Rebels still attack it.- ADDED Anakin’s Theme from TPM over his death.- MOVED Celebrations around the galaxy to after Leia and Han kiss.- TRIMMED Endor Celebration right when Luke is about to see the ghosts.- MOVED the funeral pyre scene to the end and inserted the Ghosts. We see Anakin join his old friends after his body has been burned.- ADDED Iris transition to credits after the camera pans up from Luke to the fireworks so that the film ends on a shot of the stars!
Trim Han's jealousy throughout.
ADD Fan Editor's credits...
I'm open to suggestions, and if anyone is interested in a workprint version, that can be made available!
Here is a possible version of the cover art, based off the Revenge of the Jedi posters.
This looks like quite a bit of fun!
I'm quite looking forward to this finished edit.*fingers crossed before I'm ready to show my gf the movies*
Though I might wonder if you would possibly release a version with the mouse droid? As that seems to be a personal preference of yours and doesn't really add to the whole Stronger Vader angle.
I was wanting to do something like this myself, but seeing how far along you are, I'll wait on it. The only thing different that I'd do is that I'd be changing the title and making it so this is Episode I.