Delpheas

So a few radical technical/resource questions.

First, I was wondering about the possibility of completely redubbing the clones in Ep 2 & 3 with Dee Bradley Baker from The Clone Wars? He recorded so much dialogue for that series there had to be enough to convincingly cobble together dialogue that either resemble or match the little dialogue the Clones actually have in the films.

Second, pitching all of Hayden’s episode 3 lines lower so that his voice sounds closer to Matt Lanter’s Anakin.

Three, redubbing Maul in episode 1 with Sam Witwer.

I’m not asking anyone to do these things for me, just some opinions on technical feasibility.

Cheers!

Ugh, I want it.

I do highly recommend watching the show if you haven’t.

Edited for correctness.

I’m gonna put up a few test clips tomorrow, along with some more info about the approach of my edit, technical stuff, and so on.

Really big thanks ahead of time to Hal and NFB for making RotS into something usable for this larger edit.

Cheers!

Edit: back from watching Victory and Death, and all I can say is I am actually really glad we got the Ahsoka novel and rebels before we saw the end of the show. If I had to actually sit with this, not knowing what else happens to the characters… That would be rough.

I am a little sad that they chose to keep the brutal pace going and never let up. I was hoping for Ahsoka to have a moment to grieve the loss of everything she’s ever known. Idk, feels weird that we never see that.

As it is, I now also have ideas for the ending,

Following Hal9000 Padme’s funeral is gone, instead this will be Ahsoka and Rex’s last scene.

After Vader/Sidious stare at the Death Star, after Padme arrives on Alderaan, after Obi-Wan arrives on Tatooine, we cut to the final Clone Wars scene, which will be the end of the film.

It’s a more somber ending than RotS usually has, but it is after all a tragedy. The happy ending comes later, right now the galaxy is lost, the republic has fallen, and everything is different.

RogueLeader said:

Delpheas said:

As for “you weren’t there”, I think it is a much better line than “don’t lecture me Obi-wan” and given the context of TCW Anakin, it does flow seamlessly, the theatrical line is bad and feels out of place.

To me, it’s not the content of the line, it’s the fact that the audio and sound of the delivery does not fit with scene or Anakin’s other dialogue. Not fit in the story sense, but in the technical sense.
Sure, it makes sense for him to say that in the new context NFB has created, but I don’t think it holds up technically.

I get that to an extent, idk if just never seems technically bad to me. I’ll give it another listen, but the first time I heard I thought it felt really natural, it only felt out of place as I started paying more attention.

We’ll see. Having not watched it I can’t say for sure, but I imagine it’s workable.

I really love what you’ve done for the balcony scene banter. And I really like “stand up for himself and not be pushed around.”

The talk of pitching up Hayden’s added lines, and hearing Matt deliver one of the TE lines, has me really interested in hearing the whole movie with Hayden consistently pitched down.

As for “you weren’t there”, I think it is a much better line than “don’t lecture me Obi-wan” and given the context of TCW Anakin, it does flow seamlessly, the theatrical line is bad and feels out of place.

I love what you’re doing for Anakin’s Fall, decisive TCW Anakin absolutely would kill Mace and only regret it after he fully relises what that means. And I think it is absolutely cool not to include “What have I done”. Because Clone Wars had Matt say that line, Ahsoka hearing it could easily be seen as a result of their bond. And that’s how Fall of the Republic is gonna play it.

“Obi-Wan wants to Help”
Yes, please do that. It’s great and it makes it hurt even more.

“Friend’s Farewell”
This is great and heartbreaking. The music really helps sell that Obi-Wan is trying so hard to remain optimistic and cheerful around Anakin, and that he’s trying to reinforce who he knows Anakin to be. One of my favorite moments so far.

Kashyyyk.
I think the wookie subs work, and are necessary for the standalone version of RotS. It will be less of an issue in FotR since it will be the second time Kashyyyk appears and I have Ahsoka landing her troops happen right before this Kashyyyk scene.

I do think the audio is unnecessarily loud, but it is a battle scene and those almost always are.

Mace/Windu/Yoda:
I think you’re right, the scene is necessary. The version that is in the current export doesn’t feel too short imo, and does a lot to setup Obi-Wan’s concerns.

That’s more what I meant. You could probably reach out to the folks who’ve done some of that work in the Ascendant thread and see if they’re willing to help

Yay! I’m glad you took my suggestion regarding the “Obi-Wan’s been here” scene. Haven’t watched the new version yet, but it seems to be playing well with the other previewers.

“Sense a plot”
I will agree with not cutting the rest of the Holocouncil, in fact because it is in Clone Wars I think is even more reason to keep it.

Rogue Leader’s suggestions for handling Mustafar and the Yoda/Mace/Kenobi scene are solid.

Based on the clips, I really like the Palpatine reveal. It’s solid.

Grevious expecting Skywalker is still really good.

I really really like “Anakin is the father isn’t he?” arrangement.

The suggestion earlier in this thread to have Obi-Wan say “I saw a security recording of him killing Jedi” is actually a really good one. It would help sell that Padme is considering the idea that Anakin is … gone.

No matter what, you absolutely have to keep Padme standing up to Anakin. It is vital. As is the reworking of the pre-fight dialogue.

Anyway, looking forward to the final version. This is my fave version of RotS to date. Great job.

P.s. I’m not a he 😉

So, inspired by the Palpatine-less edit that is in the works, I was thinking about removing the other the thing in the ST that really bothers me. The destruction of the New Republic.

My thought is that starting with something like TFA:Restructured, we have SKB get destroyed before it can fire at all.

The TLJ crawl and film would be reformatted to remove references to the destruction of the republic, and when the call for help is sent out and we’re told there is no response, the viewer would assume that the Republic is still just being stubborn like in TFA.

Then when we get to RoS, we add some voice over to the arriving fleets saying the Republic has sent help. Maybe even alter the crawl to say that the Republic is openly sponsoring the Resistance now.

Edit: Also, are there any good finished edits of TLJ that remove Canto Bight?

Y’all I’m wondering, since the destruction of the New Republic has hardly any bearing on the plots of TLJ & ROS, would cutting it entirely work? So like, they destroy SKB BEFORE it fires at all?

One of my biggest issues with the ST is the ways they undo story telling from the OT. The new republic they worked so hard to build? Gone. The emperor they killed? Been alive the WHOLE time.

Since SKB fires so late in this version anyway, it should be doable, right?

joshuabri said:

Ooh, Legacy of the Force sounds classy. I don’t think this edit has earned such a cool name.

Seriously though, based on some feedback and my own assessment that the use of the Luke scene as a Force vision is easily the biggest weak point from a technical execution perspective, I think for version 2 I am going to try letting it play out as normal with Rey physically traveling to Ahch-To after the fight, talking to Luke, and returning to the celebration in Luke’s X-Wing. I don’t like the idea of adding Luke’s X-Wing back in as I don’t think there’s any way it should be space-worthy at this point, but I might have to live with it for the bigger picture. This would also allow the introduction of Leia’s lightsaber prior to its burial, so it wouldn’t need to be removed from the Tatooine sequence.

I think this is a much better sequence of events, it parallels RotJ as well, which is nice.

I would also consider:

An anakin Skywalker ghost at the end on tatooine.
Purple Lightsaber for Leia, per Fisher’s wishes.
“Duel of the Fates” as the title.

As for Mustufar, I really like some of the extended mustufar scenes folks have put together in the RoS: Ascendant thread. Fixes the pacing issue while also properly setting up the wayfinder stuff.

Another thing from that thread I think is necessary is Rey having an unstable lightsaber. Since she’s using a repaired version of the saber that was shattered in TLJ, but they never say or show that she repaired it, having an instability like a pulsing blade with lighting running up and down it, would be a strong visual key to that.

Anyway, if you pull this off well, this might be my go to version of the film.

Ugh, I’m having technology issues that are preventing me from working on this right now, and I’m so upset. That was an amazing episode and am really looking forward to seeing it with RotS.

-Gonna PM you.

That’s not a bad idea, though I think it would serve to confuse more than help, as the Bad Batch and Ahsoka episodes take place MONTHS before RotS/SoM.

Personally, I’m making my edit to be a longer Clone Wars finale. I think Clone Wars is vital viewing and don’t really want yo provide more excuse for folks to skip it.

Though I can see why such an edit would be appealing.

Edit: Just watched Shattered. And all I have to say is f*ck.

So I think the trickiest aspect of editing Shattered together with RotS is going to be the Score. Shattered has this ominous sound that doesn’t let up until Ahsoka senses Anakin’s fall and I feel like intercuttung it with the RotS score is gonna sound bad.

On the other hand I am looking forward to intercuttung Ahsoka’s Order 66 escape with Yoda & Obi-Wan’s. This is brutal.

Great. I’ll spend some more time with this tomorrow.

The rough runtimes are:

Lethal Alliance- 2hrs
The Mission- 2hrs 14m
Conspirators - 2hrs 27m
Dark Disciple- 1hr 15m

Saving Vos, Part 1- 40m
Saving Vos, Part 2- 28m
Traitor- 1hr 53m
The Path- 1hr 10m

Splitting them into Parts 1 & 2 is probably the way to go.

Where would the best place be to get ahold of the concept art? I’m wondering if at least some of it could be matched up to the audio.

gudenruben said:

Delpheas said:

I missed the Krim cameo in SoM, if that’s the case it should be:

Dark Disciple
Son of Dathomir
Utapau
Ahsoka’s Walkabout
Saving Vos
Bad Batch
Siege of Mandalore

Making Dark Disciple the second to last arc of Season 6 as originally intended, with SoD as the season finale.

I think that works. It gives some time to pass between the two Dark Disciple arcs as well. Marg Krim appeared as a hologram with the other syndicate leaders in the previous episode.

Ah, that makes sense.

I’ve split the episodes, and the runtimes are all over the place, from 40 minutes to two hours, which I’m not thrilled about. But unless I split them even more, so that some if the eps are in parts, idk what to do about it.

gudenruben said:

Delpheas said:

I missed the Krim cameo in SoM, if that’s the case it should be:

Dark Disciple
Son of Dathomir
Utapau
Ahsoka’s Walkabout
Saving Vos
Bad Batch
Siege of Mandalore

Making Dark Disciple the second to last arc of Season 6 as originally intended, with SoD as the season finale.

I think that works. It gives some time to pass between the two Dark Disciple arcs as well. Marg Krim appeared as a hologram with the other syndicate leaders in the previous episode.

Ah, that makes sense.

I’ve split the episodes, and the runtimes are all over the place, from 40 minutes to two hours, which I’m not thrilled about. But unless I split them even more, so that some if the eps are in parts, idk what to do about it.

I missed the Krim cameo in SoM, if that’s the case it should be:

Dark Disciple
Son of Dathomir
Utapau
Ahsoka’s Walkabout
Saving Vos
Bad Batch
Siege of Mandalore

Making Dark Disciple the second to last arc of Season 6 as originally intended, with SoD as the season finale.

Except doesn’t Maug Krim die in Dark Disciple, meaning all of it would have to happen after Ahsoka’s Walkabout?

I’ve been operating on the assumption that it must now be

Season 6
Son of Dathomir(Kenobi still in his season 6 outfit)
Utapau
Ahsoka’s Walkabout
Dark Disciple
Saving Vos
Bad Batch
Siege of Mandalore

I just hate that Dark Disciple & Saving Vos take place over a long time, but there isn’t anything (other than the Kanan comics I guess) to fill in.

Thanks, that actually is a big help. I’m frustrated that even split in 8 we’ll have still have really long episodes.

The other thing I’m trying to figure out is where to place these episodes.

Season 7’s final version of Bad Batch and Ahsoka’s Walkabout really screwed the chronology, since I’m pretty sure all of Dark Disciple now has to take place after Ashoka’s Arc, but before Bad Batch…

Hedgesmfg, I like what you’ve layed out in your timeline, especially the intercutting of the 03 footage and the Early SoM bits.

I’m currently toying with the idea of having the only 03 footage be the Dooku/Grevious training duel and subsequent convo with Sidious, ending the use of the footage with Yoda seeing the fleet approaching Coruscant. Then my “Day One” title card will play.

I think pacing-wise intercuttung the Battle Over Coruscant with the Mandalore attack isn’t a bad idea, it would keep the film from going too long without seeing Ahsoka. I might have to toy around with what I’m doing somewhat.

I do think stylistically my edit will feel different than the others, as I’m doing the “countdown to Empire Day.”

Re: stretching out SoM.

I actually think that’s helped by starting with an edit of RotS, I think it makes it easier to piece in the material. And it’s not like there isn’t plenty of SoM material.

As for the 03 Clone Wars footage, I’m trimming the action sequences quite a bit, and will be making some other changes. But I’m not overly concerned with it being too different, that’s kinda the point of this.

Any Thoughts on this for the Crawl:

The Outer Rim under siege! Separatist forces have launched a major offensive. Led by the nefarious cyborg General Grievous, Republic forces are pushed to the brink.

In response to this overwhelming attack, the Jedi Council has dispatched its Generals, sending them far from the Core Worlds to bolster the beleaguered clones.

In the Last Days of the Republic dark forces gather in the shadows, manuevering the final pieces into place as they seek to strike at the heart of the Jedi, and the Republic…

—-

The first two paragraphs are from the Siege of Mandalore opening narration, while the third is original. As such it probably needs the most work, but is also the one I’m most attached to.

“dark forces gather in the shadows” is meant to refer to Sidious, but also Maul and the shadow collective. The “Heart of the Jedi” is Anakin (both Maul & Sidious’ target) and the “heart of the Republic” could mean either Padme or Coruscant itself (since this leads into Sidious launching the attack on the capital)

“The Last Days of the Republic” is set up for my idea of adding a title card before the start of each “Day”, leading up “Day Five - Empire Day” The timpani from “Battle over Coruscant” will play over each card, since that sound is a nice dread builder, and with Maul’s stuff going on, we’re definitely building dread.

commandercluck said:

I’m working on something similar right now where I’m essentially making the longest possible canon cut of ROTS. The plan is to have lines from Battlefront 2 replacing the clone and grievous voices in the 2003 CW and every deleted scene incorporated as well.

I’m also planning something similar for the clone’s voices, hadn’t thought to do it for Grevious though, good idea!

Octorox said:

I think these ideas are pretty cool and I was thinking of something similar. I would probably use a straight extended cut of RoTS instead of the New Canon Cut though, just to keep things as close to true canon as possible and appeal to people who want the longest possible cut.

I considered that briefly, but personally I really want Anakin to feel consistent between the different source material and no Theatrical or Extended cut of RotS is gonna do that for me, though I’d probably still watch a “ultimate” cut like that.

The Clone Wars is some of my favorite Star Wars, and the four part Siege of Mandalore/Order 66 finale was absolutely amazing. When watching it I thought it would work really well with RotS(as have many people), but I didn’t want to just use the theatrical or even extended version of the film…

Presenting:

Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith: Refocused
Or
Fall of the Republic Part 1: The Phantom Apprentice
Fall of the Republic Part 1: Revenge of the Sith

(Original poster by reddit user thementelgen, who gave me permission to use and modify their art.)

RotS: Refocused is a new version of my Fall of the Republic edit. This is based on NFBism’s New Canon Cut of Revenge of the Sith and The Siege of Mandalore four part finale of The Clone Wars.

The purpose of the NCC edit is to make RotS fit tonally with the depiction of Anakin/Obi-wan/Padme in The Clone Wars, and does an incredible job. For v3 of my edit I have decided to incorporate some of my own changes to the plot and structure of RotS, and have been inspired by other editors in making some of these choices. (Like HAL9000, CrimsonMaul, and DominiCobb)

The main story focus of this edit is to shift Anakin’s concern solely from ending the war/saving Padme, to saving his entire family (Obi-Wan, Ahsoka, & Padme). To make his motivations clearer, and thus more tragic. New dreams have been crafted highlighting these elements. Additional trims have been made throughout to lessen the film’s singular focus on saving Padme.

The current version is 3.03, a mostly polished release version. Features of Fall of the Republic v 3.03:

Two episodes in the style of TCW: Refocused. This may become four if the 1hr40min episodes feel unfeasible.
Many restructured scenes, the NCC source is linked above.
Following TCW: Refocused, the first scene with Anakin is the holo convo with Padme from the Bad Batch arc.
Sidious meeting with Grievous is used as a Pre-Coruscant scene, with Sidious sending Grievous to kidnap the chancellor. (The audio here is still rough)
Anakin meeting with Yoda after his first dream is reinstated, following DominiCobb it is placed after the Opera scene.
The Siege of Mandalore scenes are almost entirely untouched, simply integrated with RotS footage.

Following DomincCobb, the March on the Temple has been re-scored with an alternate version of the Imperial March as originally intended.
The Jedi Temple guards confront Anakin and the 501st using VFX edit by CrimsonMaul and StarWarsStory
Some Order 66 scenes from Kenobi have been integrated.
The “Practice Makes Perfect” scene of Ahsoka and Rex marching down the hallway has been integrated into Order 66.
Cut C-3P0 having his memory wiped as a Joke
Cut Vader and Sidious staring at the deathstar

The biggest change since v2 is:
Anakin’s dreams are of losing all his friends. His first dream is of his friends in their potentially dying moments screaming his name, with Vader 's voice saying Anakin was weak. His 2nd dream is Yoda saying “Let go of all you fear to lose” over memories of nearly losing Anakin and Obi-Wan and potentially losing Padme.
Thus, Ahsoka appears at Padme’s restored Funeral using “Resolve”.