TV’s Frink said:
Also, I’M JEWISH.And ? So you have a PhD on North African stereotypes ?
Yes.
Sounds reasonable.
Oh my goodness! This is amazing! I really hope someone can get this thing scanned. And it’s times like these that I wish I had money to do it myself 😄.
…the young ones who grew up with the prequels.
That’s me!
^This is probably the first time you’ve been helpful to this conversation. Why didn’t you mention this earlier? I believe you, and you further explain why I don’t think TPM is racist. Thank you (for once). I’m kind of wondering if anyone in this conversation actually read at least part of the article I linked. This conversation is also a day old 😄.
Sorry, I meant the last post and what he was quoting. It should be pretty obvious where to go to get a link. Send jimbotron a PM.
If you’re going to go to the trouble of getting a hold of a specific version (recommended), watch the Director’s Cut. The only thing holding back the theatrical is the ending (and possibly the narration).
I’ve been the “expert” several times (on here too; I’m sure you remember, Frink 😉), but in the times coming to my head now, I honestly thought I was remembering my facts correctly (or I stated my being unsure). But I do have a little story to add:
One of my older brothers told me that someone he was talking to said something to the effect of “George Lucas already has the scripts for episodes 7 8 and 9 written.” This was back in like, 2007.
We all know what that accent sounds like so for him to be willfully ignorant, play coy and to ask for an example of something he already knows about is redundant and you know it.
I wasn’t being willfully ignorant. I know what Nute Gunray’s accent sounds like, and I’ve heard multiple Asian stereotypes before, but if I have to say it again I will:
I don’t think I’ve seen any of those videos before, and no, I can’t just magically figure out where a video might be where someone has an accent that sounds just like Nute’s. I know what stereotypical accents sound like, and that’s why I wanted a specific example, because as far as I knew, there wasn’t a single accent I’d heard before that sounded just like Nute’s. And not all of the videos you posted showed a comparable accent, but some were similar, so I was satisfied.
That said, I’m going to have to keep my opinion on the Neimoidians with the guy that lived in Japan for 10 years.
You mean the guy who said they have Japanese accents?
I have never known someone from Japan who learned English as a second language, so I don’t have first hand knowledge, all I have is the stereotype. The argument was whether or not they had stereotypical Asian accents, which I didn’t hear in their accents. He said that the accent in the film sounded more like an actual Japanese accent, and he lived in Japan for 10 years, so I’m inclined to believe his judgement on what it sounds like. Though I still agree with several points from that article, like I said before.
Why would any socks be allowed after the rules were changed, then?
I don’t think I’ve seen any of those videos before, and no, I can’t just magically figure out where a video might be where someone has an accent that sounds just like Nute’s. I know what stereotypical accents sound like, and that’s why I wanted a specific example, because as far as I knew, there wasn’t a single accent I’d heard before that sounded just like Nute’s. And not all of the videos you posted showed a comparable accent, but some were similar, so I was satisfied. That said, I’m going to have to keep my opinion on the Neimoidians with the guy that lived in Japan for 10 years. And somewhat that article I posted earlier.
Thank you.
Hey, Brian Blessed is awesome!
Quite a stupid argument had ensued, but it’s all good now. I think we’ve cooled off. Opinions are opinions, and when all I’m asking for is a specific reference and the opposing won’t provide it, what can I do but continue asking for it or just give up? 😉
Don’t listen to his lies! 😉
What do you mean by “lies”? Did anything I say was a lie. A cropped 35mm is not the correct way to see the film which was shot in a taller 70mm ratio. The Blu Ray is sourced from the 70mm. I get that you like film grain, I do too. But 70mm prints are not chock full of grain like 35mm prints. they are very clean and the grain structure is super fine. resulting is a crisper image. Kubrick did not shoot in 35mm and then crop to 70.
Did you misunderstand what 😉 meant? I definitely realize and understand everything you have stated (except for the implication that the print shouldn’t be restored and released just because it’s cropped; if this implication wasn’t the intent of that post, I apologize for misunderstanding that).
4-LOM, anyone?
2+2=4 is proof in and of itself. I was asking for a specific example of the accent. Like when you mentioned South Park, why didn’t you link to a video of what you were referring to?
Yeah, I didn’t understand what he meant either.
One reason why people might not think the accent is “Asian” (I think it sounds specifically Japanese) is because they may be judging the accent based on Japanese people who speak fairly fluent English. The accent, specifically the inflections and rhythm pretty much sound exactly like a middle aged Japanese guy who doesn’t speak English trying to speak English (it happens often in Japan).
Most Japanese in the media will have worked on their pronounciations and fluency, but everyday people obviously don’t.
I don’t even think it sounds like that fake Engrish crap I see people make fun of. It’s actually a fairly accurate “impersonation” (I don’t think this was Lucas’s intent).
I thank you for your additions to this ‘discussion’. You’ve shown actual reasons for me to believe you. I’m still waiting for that proof, Haseo 😉.
moviefreakedmind said:
What is that supposed to mean?It means that doing a back and forth would be an act in futility because even if you show empirical evidence as to what you’re talking about he’ll just deny it or say that you’re not providing an actual argument.
That’s because you weren’t producing evidence. Merely saying that it’s obvious isn’t evidence, plain and simple.
His argument was that Nute Gunray clearly speaks “engrish” which is the second biggest asian stereotype next to slanted eyes
And that’s why I was asking him to provide a specific example of “Engrish” so that I can see how obvious it is. And even then, Nute Gunray is the only one that could remotely be heard to have an Asian accent.
They have a strong Asian accent which is self evident. In an earlier post I also said they were timid which some media that shows a stereotypical Asian man shows them being timid along with the heavy accent.
That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m asking you to provide an example of an accent that is comparable to the Neimoidians accents for me to listen to and examine. If you continue to just say “It’s obvious”, I’m not going to consider agreeing with you about the subject.
I guess I’m being thick, so please explain to me again what your argument was.
I will no longer make my arguments to you until you provide an actual argument.
Why would you post a video of the Neimoidians speaking to bolster your argument when they clearly sound like a stereotypical Asian person? That’s like arguing as to why you think Han isn’t a good pilot and posting a video of the asteroid chase. It would be counterproductive if you ask me.
The point was that you posted the video claiming that they ‘clearly sound like Asian accents’, when I could have posted that same video with my only argument to go along with it being: ‘They clearly have little relation to a stereotypical Asian accent’. Now, provide an example of a stereotype that presents an accent that is directly comparable to the Neimoidians, and I may consider your opinion further.
Me posting evidence of their heavy Asian accent is making a real argument unlike you who has been trying to worm your way around it and hiding in the shade of Lucas’ nutsack.
What?! I’ve actually been saying why I don’t think it’s racist. You posting that doesn’t help your argument, because I could’ve posted the same link to support my argument (not really, but by your logic in posting it, I could’ve). You didn’t show me anything that the Neimoidians resemble.