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- STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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Thats a bit too specific and nitpicky at this point.
Thats a bit too specific and nitpicky at this point.
Okay, everything looks good! I’m wondering if u added motion blur to the shadow aswell. Also, just finish composting the shadow itself to match the other shadows and we should be good. Also, if you can send me the clean plate (speeder without shadow) and shadow element, I’ll try and composite it myself.
I suggest you to just do a 2D reconstruction of the guy’s legs, it’s a bit easier puppetering it rather than doing a full CG model, although an alternative can be to project the leg texture to the CG model, which can be difficult. Also I suggest to match the speeder shadow to the surrounding elements, and some of them do periodically “light up” which you should match to retain consistency and shot believability.
Also I think you should base the SE shadow as reference, and if you can, also trim down the speeder a bit to make it thinner like it is shown here:
Here you go Dat_SW_Guy… I still need to Roto out the guy at the front as you can see he disappears, and still a few bits that need doing in this clip, no point explaining them as you can see it… anyway just an update dude
Looks amazing! My only issue with it are some parts were kinda lagging out, and the shadow color looks a bit too grey and not sandy-colored but other than that its amazing!
This seems to be a very straightfoward edit, essentially following the story in the most linear and effecient form possible (in my opinion atleast!) without the added fluff that dragged it out for 6 episodes, which is really nice and what I wanted. Is it alright if I can ask for a link to this?
Personally, I feel that it’s like trying to cut in the SC38 Obi VS Vader fight to the original 1977 version. The cinematography is too different, the camera and lenses are too different, and the dead giveaway would be the global illumination due to the background literally an encapsulating volume of LED lights, while back in 2002 they used green screen and reasonable yet outdated compositing to try and the Coruscant background in AOTC.
I was one of those suckers who was actually really excited for Obi-Wan Kenobi (2022) because Deborah Chow and Kelley DIxon’s work on Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad fuckin’ rule. Needless to say, that was a bit misguided.
I don’t think I’m going to do the whole show, but it was just a fun little experiment. The edit isn’t supposed to be like BB/BCS fwiw, just approaching the material with some of the storytelling philosophy I learned from them.
At the very least, Deborah Chow’s sensibilities as a director were still conducive to being arranged in this way so at least some of my excitement wasn’t unfounded
I love the visual storytelling here, but theres a few nitpicks I would like to add:
The fade-in to the womprat shot is very un-Star-Warsy. It needs to be a hard cut to that, then you have to extend it by around 5 - 10 beats before the Womprats get in the frame so the audience starts to get invested and ease in better into the film.
The zoom in from Obi-Wan’s back looks fake and digital. Keep that locked in I think.
I think the intro goes on for too long. To sell the repetition of the work and make it go faster is to cut a bit more and speed it up so that the audience can get the idea of same work over and over again without the baggage of it being long.
The flashbacks thrown into the sleeping scenes right next to the work scenes are so jarring. I’m not sure what you’re trying to do or if this is intentional.
If you have the VFX skill, try and match the flashbacks to the ones from ROTS, and also try and mute the colors from the Prequels to match the already mute tone from the show.
I’m going for a “faster and more intense” route that Lucas wanted for ANH, but at the end of the day, its completely up to you.
I’m digging your project so far, I can give you my exploding Alderaan scene, it’s essentially the SE version but without the stupid rings around it.
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:
This de-aged Anakin showed up on my feed today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL-N2ywWhOw
It’s certainly going in the right direction.
I mean it looks janky and smooths out his face too much. If this was what Lucasfilm did, then there would be outrage for the overuse of CGI.
I’d rather have Hayden himself just do it, as it doesn’t really matter since he still looks youngish.
Overall, Episode 5 truly cemented my feelings that this show needed a bigger budget, or atleast a wiser set designer or crew that could work with small budgets to make lived-in worlds ala George Lucas Prequel-Trilogy style. I’m digging this show more and more despite the few hits and misses and I really like the story it’s trying to tell here, especially with the flashbacks on this episode serving as a framing device as mentioned here earlier.
Just a couple things linger on my mind now:
I don’t think Hayden does a good job portraying David Prowse’s body language as OT Vader, although that can be justified as hes like in his mid 30s in the timeline, so theres still that brash anger, hatred and angst in his movements.
It’s funny how Lucasfilm spends so much money for deepfaking Luke, but they decide to throw Hayden in his Prequel-era clothes and went “that will work haha” on it.
I also have a wild theory that since Episode 6 most likely has the actual duel on it, and thus the biggest percentage of the small budget this series had to work with, the earlier duel (from EP3 or EP4, I can’t remember) was sort of an after-thought and looked like a sleazy low-budget fan film, which also works unexpectedly since the original Star Wars also ran with a shoe-string budget for it’s sets. (However comparing to Kenobi, they do look alot more authentic and lived in rather than the spray-painted dirt on the buildings like in the show)
Just one more thing… (POTENTIAL SPOILERS FOR EPISODE 6)
I read the rumors or leaks(?) that Reva will save Luke and thus ret-con the entire OT, which I think gets more and more unlikely as time goes on as long as Luke doesn’t even know about it and is happily playing in the homestead, which I think is what the show will likely do. Reva will probably do some self-sacrificing manuever like convincing Vader that nothing is on Tatooine, or killing herself off or something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqJbJYViUog&t=574s
This video breaks down the entire Battle of Yavin sequence in the best way possible.
I totally now understand why the Prequel or Sequel, or even ESB and ROTJ didn’t have much of an effect on the space battles than it did on A New Hope. The scene was shot and edited so cleverly, from the juxtaposition of militaristic lingo and terminology from Red Leader to the freeflowing soundtrack, and the brilliant use of sound design (like how the soundtrack completely mutes itself when the TIE fighters arrive, adding tension without the need for a score and only using the sharp distressing sounds of it’s engines) and the thematic aspects (as the title suggests, that the targeting computer was never going to work, which is still in line with one of the many themes in the story: technology can not overpower the Force) all lining to create such a brilliant scene that makes such a lasting memory to the audience.
Now that I think about it, all the space battles thereafter it (like the Battle of Hoth, DS II spacefight, prequel and sequel fights) were more flashy and couldn’t capture the same the thematic importance as the first movie. Even the pilot’s lingo was more loose just to sound superficially cool to the audience.
On the defense of the duel looking atrocious, I feel as though the way they shot it with the blocking and cinematography reminds me of late 70’s B-movie horror flicks in it’s amateurish way of it being filmed. In a way, it circles back to how A New Hope’s lightsaber duel looked and how absolutely atrocious and terrible it was with Alec and David swinging the spinning rods as carefully as possible. I can forgive the fight for being off as it kinda reflected how the fighting style in ANH would look if you were to watch this chronologically.
So far I’m pretty okay with the series and I feel indifference towards all the characters except Kenobi and Vader, and I don’t really have much to complain or praise for Reva, the Grand Inquistor or anybody else. I just think that you can miss this show and nothing wouldn’t really change since we do know what happens after this show and all that.
Well, I think there are 3 pixels in Luke’s X-Wing in the Battle of Yavin that wasnt there when they show his ship after they destroyed the Death Star. I think that should be fixed!
ANH is waiting on Dat_SW_Guy’s project, but the slight audio update to the others could be put out soon but I’d like to wait a little bit to see if anything else presents itself for them first.
I can send some files for you if you want, as I think my project is still at a snail’s pace as it were last time.
First post here, I finished the final episode but it just felt lackluster in how it was done. The fight and blaster scenes look quite bland and not enough power or veracity, making them look like they were toy props with a blaster effect slapped over After Effects. The choreography also felt uninspired and not enough “action” to it. (I know I shouldn’t expect much but this is just… eh.)
I wish they could’ve done more with it, especially with Cad Bane and Grogu. Speaking of which, the one thing that really didn’t sit right with me is how they reunited Grogu and Mando and completely took away the somber ending of Mando S2.
All in all, I expected a little bit too much out of this show and it eventually bit me in the ass with it. There were some great parts (my favorite being Episode 6) but overall it didn’t stick the landing for me and ended up become a let-down. I hope they do something else next time and do it right, especially with the Kenobi show coming around the corner.
May I ask for a link?
On other news, there may be a way to do the Speeder shadow shot which invovles planar tracking and some Photoshop reconstruction, so watch out for that soon.
Ok, I forgot to update this post but the newly 50%-of-all-womprats-removed shot is finished, so shoot me a DM. I’ll be taking a little break on here for a bit and will resume operation later this December for the Yavin shots.
Thank you, I really wish I could help by rendering out some shots, but my computer simply can’t handle it until I get to upgrade my GPU.
Honestly, this is all great and amazing work that has been churned out from this community. However, I deeply and absolutely hate to be that “nitpick” but I just feel that something is off with both the first and second shots, the first shot mainly the TIEs, and the second one, being entirely all of it.
The TIEs themselves are very smooth, if not too smooth (however thats something I’ll touch on to in the next sentences) however, they have a slight jump in the animation but I’m not too sure. However the more noticable ones are mainly the motion blur on the TIEs and the focal length of the render versus the focal length in the R1-Biomes shot. It seems to me that the shutter speed on the render doesn’t match up with the footage, giving it a slightly out-of-place smoothness to it, which is probably the more logical reason than the one I presented earlier.
The focal length is slightly lesser of an issue, however I can notice that the perspective of the TIEs are slightly offset to the surrounding shot. All of these issues are also present in Poppasketti’s Falcon shot at the very end of the film (along with the indigo-blue engine glow, instead of the teal-blue glow it usually has)
The second shot is it’s own can of worms, but to summarize: It just feels out of place entirely. Even taking out the TIE issue, the shot of the forest (for me) doesnt look like the one in the next shot, however that’s just pure subjectiveness at this point and it’s ultimately Hal’s final call on the matter.
I’m just extremely tired right now since its 1AM and I’m seeing things wrong so please correct me so. Sorry if I sound like I’m insulting all of the work done here, because I know the love all of you guys pour into the film and your dedication and passion, I just want to give some constructive advice and to make the visual effects of this edit match the high-fidelity of ILM, in an effort for a more seamless and enjoyable experience.
here: https://mega.nz/file/CUhVESiI#lPKuRL1e-OWHJu9c0Zh6BzNDiDYzvp0LkOYimB61RCY
Looks nice with the integration by replacing the Hoth background with one from the hangar. Is it possible that you can also do a Millennium Falcon extension during the reveal scene?
A suprise, to be sure, but a welcome one.
Sadly I don’t think those shots could be cobbled together with the limited amount of clean footage, so I doubte its within the scope of any Fan Edit. Still nice to dream though.
Has it been done before?
I remember a youtube video that cleaned up the Sandstorm sequence, but when I asked for the file, it was in 480p and not in very good quality. I presume using Blu-Ray and doing the automated + manual cleanup plus some AI upscaling should do the trick if you want to bring back the otherwise narratively redundant scene.
The grading is a bit better than the previous screenshots, which is always good!
Heres the “final” version of the entire Mos Eisley sequence with temp audio, as I simply didn’t have the skill to refine the drive-by scene. The main things in this are:
-The recut entrance scene which was a page taken straight out of Adywan’s Revisited edition
-Redone matte with the correct time-of-day outside of the cantina to maintain accuracy
(although the all of the outdoor scenes are inconsistent in the film, lol)
https://vimeo.com/628306487looks good,but at 1:54 you can see the dewbacks left leg is coming trou the small wall.
Thats not a leg, thats the original Dewback puppet showing through the CGI one and thats one of the many compositing mistakes on the Special Edition. If I remember correctly it was mentioned here somewhere but your post helped me remember it.
I can’t really fix it since there’s too many moving parts and you don’t notice it until it’s pointed out to you.
That’s one of the fixes i implemented for ANH:RHD , along with the “two headed dewback” earlier on in the shot.
I can send you the clip if you want it. You’d have to regrade it to match yours though , plus i’m using the 2011 Blu-Ray.
Yes, please do send it! Also can I also ask for some help in regards to the Womprat removal shot in terms of tracking and other factors?