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#254085
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Star Wars most inconsistent plot point, in my opinion: Star Wars Lethal Alliance game
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254085/action/topic#254085
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Originally posted by: Anchorhead

Two of his films (to me, at least) are great and I can watch them repeatedly - Star Wars and Raiders Of The Lost Ark. The rest of his work is mediocre at best. There's no denying he's had astronomical commercial success. However, that doesn't always indicate critical success or artistic ability. In fact, in this day and age, it almost guarantees mediocrity. McDonald's, Starbucks, and Reality TV shows - are a few examples that come to mind. These things make millions for their shareholders and are wildly popular - but none of them are any kind of high-water mark in their worlds.

Starbucks is open about not making the very best espresso - they readily admit that they strive only to make the one that appeals to the masses. Marketing does the rest. Want a really fantastic espresso? - go to an independent coffee house. Same with McDonald's - ok burger coupled with mass marketing. Want a great burger? - go to a smaller, independent place. Reality TV - it will only be remembered as a trend. Want a great TV program? - go buy a DVD of a much more intelligent show or look around on cable for something that took months to produce.

Lucas is no artist. He doesn't have to be - he's a hell of a businessman.


Absolutely. That's the thing about our world. No one gives a shit about quality as long as it brings in money. McDonalds is great for on the go, but it is rather unhealthy and way to expensive for the quality of the food. Same with Starbucks. Fine for quick on the go, but not the quality you should be getting. There was a coffee house here that was doing really well, had great food and coffee, and was something lots of people went too. Then a Starbucks opened across the street. Bam. That coffee house is no longer open.

Same thing with reality TV. It shows just how stupid America is when more people voted in American Idol than in the presidential election. Reality TV, in my mind, is not TV, nor anything near passable as entertainment. It's a cheap, stupid way to make a quick buck, and I hate it. NBC is the worst right now. The show "Studio 60" is far and away the best new show of the season, and one of the best in the last few years, but it is soon going to be cancelled and replaced with a new reality TV Show. I guess 7 million viewers isn't all that many now. Funny. 7 million seems like a lot to me. It's thier own damn fualt for airing it in the same time slot as CSI. But when the going gets tough, get a new, no quality reality TV show.

And Saw 3 brought in 34 million dollars this weekend. How I weep....

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#253892
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Star Wars most inconsistent plot point, in my opinion: Star Wars Lethal Alliance game
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253892/action/topic#253892
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
While I hope to improve people's opinion of what Lucas did, I don't expect to be able to mind trick anyone into it. I'm no Jedi.


Oh deary dear.....Gomer, don't lie. You wouldn't be on here 24/7 glorifying Lucas if you didn't want to "mind-trick" us. You're forcing your opinions down everyones throats on a site called originaltrilogy.com. Don't lie. I'm not going to think any less of you if you just admit it. Of course, I can't think any less of you anyway right now.

And you probably do think you're a Jedi, when you dress up in Jedi pajamas and have a lightsaber fight with yourself before going off to bed with your Jar-Jar doll and poster of Lucas hanging on your ceiling..
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#253891
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McCallum on Jar Jar & Kids before TPM came out
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253891/action/topic#253891
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I wonder why that same dynamic didn't help Blues Brothers 2000 at the box office.

Sure I will grant you opening week, even opening month those people went to see TPM on the merit of the classic trilogy.

But when it's still in dollar theaters when they re-release it for the Christmas holiday, you have to start to suspect that people were going back again and again because they actually liked -that- movie too.

It is patently ridiculous to state that Lucas did not have a crew of people working with him on the prequels. I don't even understand how you could say it. Sure it's not the same crew he had since the beginning, but there -was- a crew. It wasn't just "Lucas, some blue screens, crappy actors and some computers."

People -DID- get their point across to Lucas that they didn't like the way Jar-Jar was being done. Lucas simply didn't agree with them. Just as he didn't agree with Kurtz when he thought they shouldn't make Vader Luke's father.



Just fuck off you little prick. You're never ever going to listen to reason, and just glorify Lucas and and his films ot no end, even when reason punches you in the face. You cannot see anything bad about Lucas at all, and it makes you the most annoying little troll I've ever met. Yes, people went to phantom menace, lots of people. Why? Everyone loved the originals. Almost everyone who had seen the films in the twenty year gap loved them, and those who didn't would still go see a new one just to go with the hype. Millions and millions of people saw the original, and most of those millions would go to see the new one. Casual fans would wait until after the first month, and people who has only seen one of the original films or just thought the advertising was good would go later. That itself explains why it was in theaters so long.

And CO had a good point too. Fans wanted to believe it was a good movie, and went over and over again, but in the end, they were just deluding themselves. Go-Mer, I know that you always block this out, but this is TRUE. PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE THE PREQUELS. THE GENERAL PUBLIC DISLIKES THE PREQUELS. PEOPLE WENT OUT OF CURIOSITY AND A DESIRE TO SEE THE SERIES COMPLETED, NO MATTER HOW BAD IT WAS. It's like reading a bad book. It sucks hard, but you want to find out how it ends. So you read to the end. ALL THE FILMS HAD GOING FOR THEM WAS CRAPPY CGI AND LIAM NEESON, WHO IS THE ONLY ONE IN THE PREQUELS WHO GAVE A GOOD PREFORMENCE. Hell, casting Neeson in TPM probably got lots of new people to come. PEOPLE DID NOT GO BECAUSE IT WAS A GOOD MOVIE. PERIOD. END OF STORY. FUCK OFF GOMER.
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#253860
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McCallum on Jar Jar & Kids before TPM came out
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253860/action/topic#253860
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic

The reason I say the people who didn't agree with him didn't matter is because despite critics and -some- fans crucifying Lucas and TPM over Jar-Jar, it went on to claim 2nd highest worldwide box office gross (at the time). So even with that ridiculous amount of hate, no matter how hard the critics tried to kill TPM at the box office (remember the ones that broke their word to wait until opening day to publish their reviews?), they couldn't do it. TPM not only survived, but it was the 2nd highest success at the box office up until that point.


And why was it so succesful? Oh yeah, three wildly succesive films came out twenty years earlier and Star Wars was firmly in the public's mind as an excellent film, and people wanted to see more. That's why people saw it. You act like TPM fought a great battle or something. It was a sequel, and if the original(s) are good, people will flock to the sequel, no matter what the review. People who thought it would be bad would go see it out of curiosity. You know, that mentality of "How could Lucas make a bad film?" People wanted to see how he could, and they did. The film was not succesful because people liked it.

The original films were good because Lucas had some creative criticism, no matter how much he denies it in interviews. Gary Kurtz, his directors, his screenwriters, his cinamatographers, his actors, etc. He actually had a crew. The prequels were all Lucas, some blue screens, crappy actors and some computers. If people on the set really disliked Jar-Jar, they would have gotten thier point across. If the crew in the eighties had disliked Jar-Jar, jar-jar probably wouldn't be in the film. That's the way it would have been. Good films are the result of good collaborations, which is exactly what the originals were. I know you want to believe the Lucas does everything himself Go-Mer, but a bad filmmaker is the one that does everything themself. A good filmmaker takes imput from everyone, and then really considers it and takes it to heart. Full credit was given to Peter Jackson on The LOTR trilogy, and while he should get lots of credit, it was a huge, massive collaboration that made three excellent films. Everyone involved had input. Even actors had suggestions that changed scenes for the better. All the filmmakers involved on that project ackknowledge what a great collaboration it was, which is great. Lucas could never admit that, because he feels so vastly insecure about himself that he needs to make sure everyone thinks the films are his own and no one elses, but that just makes him look like a bad filmmaker.
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#253817
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Addresses and contacts for various media outlets go in here
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253817/action/topic#253817
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Posted this in another thread about the purpose of the site.

The original mission of this site may be accomplished, but that doesn't mean we give up now. Lucas may have done this release out of malice, but us buying them is kind of like giving him the finger. Buying them is saying "this isn't what you expected, now is it? People embracing the OOT." At the same time we buy, we still want more, which he knows. This is gaining momentum, and I think re-opening the petition or doing something to that extent for Star Wars OOT on hi-def could prove a worthy endevor. I don't need and will not buy another DVD release, but a hi-def release would be very cool. DVD is where Star Wars needs it, I know, because blu-ray and HD-DVD will never ever catch on as the next home video formats, but rather like laserdisc, a niche product. But still, securing Star Wars OOT on hi-def is just as, if not more important, as securing it in good quality on DVD. The home video format that will replace DVD will become big in about ten to fifteen years, and although I'm sure it won't be Blu-Ray of HD DVD, securing the OOT there will secure it for all time in hi-def, which is the way of the future, and if the OOT is to be remembered, then that's where it needs to be preserved.


And the best reason to keep this site going is the forum. I think its the best community on the net. It's small enough that everyone knows each other, and we all get along for the most part. It's a great place to chat about Star Wars, but also to talk about fan edits and technical mumbo jumbo. There are a lot of geniuses in this forum. And that's why I like forums so much better than goddamn chat rooms, especially forums like this. I think its funny how some people are always likening forums to chat rooms. (School presentations, etc.) They're both so different, one filled with internet predators and the other filled with a fun community where you can talk online and have good, worthwhile discussions.
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#253816
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McCallum on Jar Jar & Kids before TPM came out
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253816/action/topic#253816
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Originally posted by: vote_for_palpatine
It is interesting that McCallum's tone here is somewhat defiant. This is the first time I've ever heard McCallum sound remotely like he's questioning Lucas.

As for Jake Lloyd, he wasn't great but in his defense:

1) A lot of good actors suffered with GL's dialog and direction
2) Lloyd didn't cast himself
3) You try reacting to a blue screen

If this discussion is Lloyd vs. Jar Jar, give me Lloyd every day.


I'll give you 2 and 3, and number one to an extent. George is a bad director, but all the actors in the films put at least something into thier roles, which made them a little more than unbearable. Lloyd just was awful with no redeeming qualities, and I think George was probably trying to direct him in at least some small way, which Lloyd was not taking to heart. Where the blame falls on Lucas is accepting that preformance. I make no-budget movies, with my friends as actors, and I squeeze the best preformance I can get out of them. Any good director does not take preformences like Lloyd's and keep them in the film.

So basically, I agree with all your points, but something was just "off" with Lloyd, and I think it went furthur then Lucas. The shreds of decency in the preformences of the actors came within themselves, not within Lucas. Lloyd, obviously, had no acting ability inside himself.


WHAT GO-MER-TONIC WILL RESPOND WITH:
watch, I can do it word for word.

I think Lucas is the best director of the last century. The preformences of the actors in the prequels was excellent; Hayden's preformence in ROTS made me weep with emotion. Jake Lloyd has a screen presence rarely seen in an actor, and I'll be dammed if we ever see a preformence like it again from a child star. The prequels were full of emotion and incredibly acting, and the source of it all was George Lucas. And as for Lloyd versus Jar-Jar, I'll take them both. They're both great. I've never seen such incredible casting on a set of films. Lucas is my hero and I bet we'll never see another filmmaker like him.
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#253679
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Here's my stance
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253679/action/topic#253679
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic


But "Canon", is something Lucas gets to decide because it's his universe.


Well then change your signature. I can focus on one thing and it determines my reality. I can focus soley on the OT and that is my "canon." Focus determines reality.

Star Wars only belongs to Lucas in legal rights. The films belong to the fans, and they can choose what is canon. What is generally accepted as canon is the films and some EU stuff, because majority of fans accept that. Canon, of course, can be used in numerous ways. There is Lucas's canon, which is his focus, his reality. There is my canon, my focus, my reality. There is yours, which is the "saga." There is little Timmy's, which is "MOMMY BUY ME JAR JAR" and that's all there is that's canon in his head.

Either you agree or you don't. If you disagree, then please, make a new signature, like "I Heart Lucas" or something to that extent.
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#253678
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McCallum on Jar Jar & Kids before TPM came out
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253678/action/topic#253678
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Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyen
In all truth, I don't find Jar-Jar half as annoying as I do Jake Lloyd.


Too true. Jar-Jar was annoying, but harmless, and is kind of cute in his own sort of wierd way....well, not really. But Jake Lloyd...Lucas really fucked that one up. Did ANYONE buy that that kid would one day be Darth Vader? I know I didn't. In the words of Comic Book Guy, Worst. Acting. Ever. I tried watching TPM a few months ago, and enjoyed the first few scenes with Liam Neeson and McGregor duking it out with robots, but then Jar Jar....well, it was ok....then a whole city of them....it was still tolerable...then Naboo and the horrible acting of Natalie Portman and Keira Knightly....I started to move my hand towards the DVD remote....then a few scenes later, Jake lloyd. Movie off. Done. Sorry but no. The problem with Lloyd is that he can't act worth crap, but that isn't the main problem. I can tolerate bad acting. But not only did he have no acting abilities, he THOUGHT he did. Watching someone who can't act think they're the bomb is just awful.
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#253677
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McCallum on Jar Jar & Kids before TPM came out
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253677/action/topic#253677
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LOL ADM....LOL

And that article made me gag....I mean, I can see Lucas's reasoning on making TPM for kids to an extent because the OOT was, to an extent, for kids, but was just as much for kids as it was for adults. He should have approached TPM the same way. I mean, Star Wars was loved by kids of all sex, age and race, but it had charecters directed squarely at children. So why should TPM have needed it? Plus, when making seqeuls or prequels that come out years after the original, you want to capture the same audience that watched the originals, not rope in a new batch of kids and shun all your original fans. This article is the only bit of proof you'd ever need to show anyone Lucas is a hack. If the OT worked for all ages, then why not use the same formula for TPM, instead of shunning adult viewers and getting kids to like it, which they will until....oh, I'd say 12 years old, maximum. This is why the prequels will not be remembered in film history. Only kids and man children like Go-Mer will enjoy them, and all (except Go-Mer) will grow out of them, but love the OT eternally. Lucas sold his soul just to make a quick buck. How Wude.
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#253626
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Try to take it easy with the Lucas bashing.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253626/action/topic#253626
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I guess the original mission of this site was fulfilled, though I had no idea we would have to specify we wanted standard DVD quality. I too am completely satisfied with this release. I will never need anything more Star Wars for years and years, but I agree we could have gotten a lot more. Part of me thanks the maker that there was no remastering, because I didn't want to see Vader with a pink saber again and a totally f'ed up 5.1 track.

The original mission of this site may be accomplished, but that doesn't mean we give up now. Lucas may have done this release out of malice, but us buying them is kind of like giving him the finger. Buying them is saying "this isn't what you expected, now is it? People embracing the OOT." At the same time we buy, we still want more, which he knows. This is gaining momentum, and I think re-opening the petition or doing something to that extent for Star Wars OOT on hi-def could prove a worthy endevor. I don't need and will not buy another DVD release, but a hi-def release would be very cool. DVD is where Star Wars needs it, I know, because blu-ray and HD-DVD will never ever catch on as the next home video formats, but rather like laserdisc, a niche product. But still, securing Star Wars OOT on hi-def is just as, if not more important, as securing it in good quality on DVD. The home video format that will replace DVD will become big in about ten to fifteen years, and although I'm sure it won't be Blu-Ray of HD DVD, securing the OOT there will secure it for all time in hi-def, which is the way of the future, and if the OOT is to be remembered, then that's where it needs to be preserved.
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#253617
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Here's my stance
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253617/action/topic#253617
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic


As far as not accepting something as cannon, that was never up to me in the first place. This is Lucas party and he gets to say what is and isn't canon in the universe that he originally created.


But remember, your focus determines your reality. Fans can choose themselves what is canon to them and what isn't. I choose to pretend the prequels don't exist. They are not canon for me, personally. All that is canon is three great films from the golden age of moviemaking. Your focus determines your reality.


And you're statement might be the most contradictory statement I've ever read. Lucas saying what is canon in the universe he originally created? If he adds stuff in later, it is not what was canon in the universe originally created.
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#253586
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Languages
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253586/action/topic#253586
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Originally posted by: ricarleite


* Japanese. I am currently learning japanese, although I am going on a very slow pace, since I've been very busy lately. I know hiragana and katakana completely, I can write about 50 kanji and read about 90 kanji, and I know some basic sentence structure. I can't have a full conversation in japanese, but I can slowly comunicate whatever I want in a broken, gramatically incorrect japanese.

After I learn japanese, I wanna try to learn French, and then it'll be enough.


I'd love to learn Japanese. How are you learning it? I know a tiny bit from watching lots of anime and japanese films, but I'm nowhere near being anywhere near being somewhat near anywhere fluent.
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#253585
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Star Wars most inconsistent plot point, in my opinion: Star Wars Lethal Alliance game
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253585/action/topic#253585
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I think Lucas did an admirable job of making the prequels fit in with the classic trilogy.

I think he did a better job of that than he did at making ESB and ROTJ fit in with ANH.


Go-Mer, that statement takes away what little credibility you had left. CGI yoda and puppet yoda work better than puppet yoda and puppet yoda? Padme dying but Leia remembering her? Jedi not becoming one with the force after death? You've got to be shitting me.