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I think they meant turn him over so we can see his face as he falls away, not a reverse angle showing him falling towards camera.
Well personally I would either keep him in the Palace and remove him from the Sarlacc fight altogether, or I'd have Slave 1 taking off and leaving as the journey from the Palace begins, or even flying with the barges to the Pit of Carkoon but not getting involved (and then leaving when it all goes belly up).
If you remove lines like that, you take away the very essence of who these characters are.
Removing a line like that, to me, is as bad as Greedo shooting first.
Biggs, not ^Biggs or Bigg's or Brigg's!
Honestly.
That isn't even comparable, Brash.
The montage in Jedi wasn't showing the death of one of the three lead characters of the entire trilogy, it was just showing celebrations. Hardly the same level of dramatic importance Especially as it wasn't even in the movie for the first 14 years.
And I ask again, what do you make this montage from? What clips would adequately convey what you're suggesting?
And exactly how would they miss out?
Watch them in production order, which is arguably the correct order anyway because of the way the stories have been written.
Making changes to suit an idea is often unsuccessful, because there isn't the necessary material to do it, and very often it loses the aesthetic of the movie it's meant to be a part of.
As Angel says, minimal changes are best.
EDIT:
Timstuff, I agree. Actually, I don't even think we need the Force sensitivity thing, I think the dialogue is easily vague enough to be interpreted how Episode III requires it to be.
Yeah, because that was what I was asking. I think I can formulate a few ways that she could die, but thanks.
I meant within an edit.
I don't get why it's an issue at all, either. Sure, it's clumsy, but it still doesn't matter. You could have called him Anakin Skywalker Jr and it wouldn't matter, because Vader didn't know he was alive so was never looking for him until he destroyed the Death Star, and by then it was a different story.
The problem then is how to kill her off.
Exactly. And look what happened then.
Backstroke:I do believe it takes a special breed of man to pull something like this through and from the looks of it Adywan is one of these men.
I firmly believe that Adywan as produced a significantly different edit than I have ever seen before.
[S]omething that I personally think that George Lucas could use. A no-man, someone who rethinks the whole project.
Well, Ady's is the best fan edit for sure, but let's remember that he didn't actually make about 99% of the cuts in the movie.
It's one thing to take someone else's work and tweak it, it's quite something else to create that work in the first place. People absurdly strip Lucas of any credit for these movies, or at least the good two, which is ridiculous. And seeing as Lucas did control the edits on all the OT as well, let's try to remember why those movies worked in the first place. He also did a lot of uncredited editing on Schindler's List, uncredited because of his issues with the Guilds, and look at that movie.
Yes, Ady is fan editor supreme. But let's wait till he actually makes a movie and edits it before we give him the credit for the entire movie.
Okay, let's agree to disagree. I also have three very distinct memories from being just under two years old, and I can remember where they were and who was in them, but I still don't have a problem with the Leia dialogue because I'm not taking it too literally.
Leia never recalls a single actual memory of her mother, so to me that is perfectly fine. Anyway, moving on...
She said she remembers images, not events. Are you saying you can discern all your early feelings/images/memories and tell me exactly which are your own and which have come from what you have learned about when you were young?
I don't think it's a big deal either way, and it doesn't smack me as any great error.
Well, I'm pleased it's canon, as it's the one that makes most sense to me, too.
As for Leia, why does there need to be an explanation? No-one else knew she existed, so no-one would be looking for her. As for her recollection of her mother, Leia was more than adequately vague in Jedi about what she remembers. She does actually say she doesn't really have memories, more "feelings". And that, for me, is perfectly fine. After all, it's obvious Bail Organa and her adopted mother didn't tell Leia the truth about her real parents, otherwise she'd already know. Therefore, they probably told her a sweet story about her mother dying when she was very young and they raised her as their own.
It's really not that difficult, and as much as I don't like the prequels, I don't believe there is any continuity error with Leia's "remembrance" of her mother.
Cap:
Another continuity error in my opinion is when Ben says that Luke was hidden from Vader. This may have raised an eyebrow in ’83. (If they’re trying to hide him, why keep the same last name?) But when the PT came out, we learned that Uncle Owen was Anakin’s stepbrother, and apparently living in the same place that Anakin knew. With that information, the idea that Luke was placed there to hide him from Vader becomes particularly hard to believe.
Well, aren't you missing the fact that Vader didn't even know he had a son, and so wouldn't be looking for him? And why would Vader care what his "step-brother" was doing? He only met him once several years before and probably never cared to return to Tatooine again after the death of Shmi.
Bingowings:Even the most fantastical tale has to follow it's own internal logic.
Man, how I wish everyone understood that.
Well what continuity issues with regards to the PT are you referring to in Jedi?
But the new shot is blurry, which doesn't help sell it. Nice idea though. But I'd also keep the original, and fix the flash.
They are all really nice, except Grievous's sabres are what he's taken from Jedi, so unless you want to remove that. But then that also removes some of his supposed menace.
Well, if Ady manages to pull that off, awesome. At least then I won't have to get annoyed every time I see that appalling green screening when Padakin land on Tatooine and a horribly composited C-3PO declared "the maker!". Fucking hell.
Agreed Bingo. And what the hell is it with unguarded open shafts in Star Wars?
Maybe the best thing to do with these scenes is a manual frame-by-frame restoration and then you can insert extra frames. There are pretty simple programmes that can "inbetween" frames pretty well for you and it will likely create a much smoother scene.
I think Angel's clean up of all the damaged and/or dirty frames is about as good as that material is going to get.
None of us is ever going to make this material anything above "workprint" quality from that source.
I agree Mrbenja, it can be rationalised. It's not great, but it's feasible. And again, shame about the rest of the movie.
Just going back a few posts:
theslime:
But Star Wars is different, mostly thanks to brilliant The Empire Strikes Back.
Why is Star Wars different? Yes, the first two movies are very good, but they're not the only great movies ever made. I think our propensity to want to correct or save these movies, predominantly the prequels of course, comes from our own inability or unwillingness to distance ourselves from the original trilogy sufficiently to be able to disregard the prequels as simply badly written and directed (and acted, and...) I don't really care enough about the prequels enough to bother fixing them. Either that, or I just think they're so incredibly misconceived that they are literally beyond salvaging. Whatever it is, I don't see Star Wars as being different, despite the immense impact the OT had on my childhood back then. If they're bad, they're bad.
Vaderios:
His ghost in ROTS means that it has to be in ROTJ too.
Why? Luke didn't know Qui-Gon, so why should he appear to him? There's no reason to think anyone other than Jedi they knew appear to Jedi. And besides, Qui Gon isn't relevant to Luke in any way, so he'd have no reason to appear to him.
Timstuff:
The idea of the twins being born on Dagobah actually makes a lot of sense-- Lucas should feel stupid for not thinking of it, because it offered a perfect explanation for "there's something familiar about this place." If Leia can remember her mom, then Luke can remember Dagobah. ;)
It sure beats the cheese out of being born on some no-name asteroid cluster that just so happens to have medical facilities.
There's no reason the twins should be born anywhere special or relevant. The idea was to keep them safe and secret, so "some no-name asteroid cluster" is EXACTLY the sort of place they should be born. And it's called Polis Massa, anyway. And Luke's vague feeling of familiarity with Dagobah is more likely his sensing the concentration of the Force there, both good and dark side. And Leia's feelings about her real mother are very vague and don't really define any memory.
Mrbenja0618:
Man, why did they kill him off? Would that not been amazing dramatic moment. If Qui-gon left the republic, what would that do to Obi-wan's mind! Dang you, Lucas! Wasted opportunity!
Well, Lucas is lucky he did kill off Qui-Gon, because there is no way Liam Neeson would have come back. He was pretty damn vocal about how much he hated the way Lucas made The Phantom Menace and that's why he declined to appear as Qui-Gon's ghost and we ended up with the Force ghost thing being slipped in so inadequately at the end of Episode III.