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I wasn’t expecting this. Not all at once. But am glad it is happening 😃
The 2003 Clone Wars cartoons. I’ve seen others talk about these on here the same way I see them. Wacky, fun, heavily stylized, but also introduced some cool ideas and characters into Star Wars.
I wish the system - which I believe originated in KOTOR, which I’m currently playing for the first time - of lightsaber colours being chosen according to whether you’re a Jedi Guardian (blue), Consular (green) or Sentinel (yellow) was still canon. I like the idea of your lightsaber colour meaning something about you as a person.
I really liked the idea of that too. Headcanon rules!
It’s unprofessional but I can’t exactly blame him. I don’t mean to imply all criticism of this movie is invalid, because I don’t believe that. But so much criticism of this movie is absolutely brain-dead (be honest, yes it is), especially at the time. This person specifically is obviously not exactly a deep thinker and it’s hard to imagine this person would be acting in good faith if Rian Johnson had.
He was acting in good faith in the last quoted part, Rian still kept screaming about his dick. Would you respect a 50 year old man screaming that, even if “justified” because some 20 year old insulted his writing?
Really, though, that’s not the point; it’s still embarrassing and childish regardless of circumstance. There were many other examples; it would just take a lot of inordinate amount of effort and time to dig through his long-deleted tantrums. Disney definitely clamped down on him fast.
It appears Rian Johnson didn’t delete that tweet you posted: https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/1124530820692283392 and I doubt Disney made him delete any tweets at all, let alone “making” him delete tweets 2 years after his film’s release. That’s not “Disney definitely clamping down on him fast”.
It is a little weird that the guy who posted the tweets to Rian later deleted them all, and has since been banned from twitter.
I’d be interested in seeing more of these “many other examples” of Rian Johnson’s twitter “tantrums” about fans not liking TLJ. When you say “regardless of circumstance”, don’t ignore or forget to also include any of the death threats the toxic “fans” sent to him, of where “fans” on one of the more poisonous reddits announced his death. Was that May 4th too? I think it was? Maybe not. Or where people tweeted him that he worse than Hitler.
Rian Johnson doesn’t come off well in that tweet you posted. But I don’t know the context of it, others in that thread seem to be think RJ was “shitposting” or simply “owning” that kevin guy. Given the amount of vile and way of the top shit thrown his way over the years for making a film some people didn’t like, I’ll give him a pass for being a bit sharp to someone who is now banned from twitter for whatever reason.
I’ve no love for TLJ either, other than it looking stunning and was at least an attempt to move Star Wars forward to take risks, but the hatred, threats and shit he received was way over any acceptable critical “norm”.
Sure, if you’re actually discussing in good faith, I can put in the effort of digging up arguments from the times of the actual movie release. However, it doesn’t feel that way…it feels like you believe Rian did no wrong, in which case I don’t care to change your mind. I’d rather not dig through archives of #chans and dead forums if you aren’t acting in good faith. Do not misconstrue: I have no respect for the people that were calling him Hitler and worse back then. Half of them were likely bored and angry thirteen year olds.
I am sure any creator who puts themselves out there would be angry that the next day they’re called the worst person to ever live and should die. We are all human and have emotions and I have no wish to see Rian or anyone’s feelings hurt. The point I am making is that if you DO take on the responsibility of something important, close to sacred to some, then there’s always going to be people that hate what you do, no matter how good it is. That is the reality of being in the public eye, much like getting a job of a garbageman means you’ll have to smell garbage all day. People regularly attack Lucas and JJ (even today) and neither of them start childishly lashing back at in an online slapfight.
My point was you may not need to go digging up his “long-deleted tantrums” as that twitter thread you posted is not actually deleted, it is still up there on Rian Johnson’s twitter for everyone to see.
And that Disney ‘“making” him delete tweets 2 years after his film’s release. That’s not “Disney definitely clamping down on him fast”’, if they did at all.
Pointing out some of the vile abuse he received for TLJ isn’t me not posting in good faith. It is just me questioning whether there was anything actually online from RJ much worse than that twitter thread you posted? This is just because of the microscope he was under from a section of fandom at the time, who were looking for anything online to further undermine him or throw his way. If there was anything found at the time it shouldn’t be too difficult to find now as it would be still up on the TFM or tabloid style sites and platforms. Or posts that are still up to see on Rian Johnson’s twitter.
My mind is open and I’ll happily wait for you to find and post the “many other examples” of Rian Johnson’s “long-deleted tantrums” on twitter.
It’s unprofessional but I can’t exactly blame him. I don’t mean to imply all criticism of this movie is invalid, because I don’t believe that. But so much criticism of this movie is absolutely brain-dead (be honest, yes it is), especially at the time. This person specifically is obviously not exactly a deep thinker and it’s hard to imagine this person would be acting in good faith if Rian Johnson had.
He was acting in good faith in the last quoted part, Rian still kept screaming about his dick. Would you respect a 50 year old man screaming that, even if “justified” because some 20 year old insulted his writing?
Really, though, that’s not the point; it’s still embarrassing and childish regardless of circumstance. There were many other examples; it would just take a lot of inordinate amount of effort and time to dig through his long-deleted tantrums. Disney definitely clamped down on him fast.
It appears Rian Johnson didn’t delete that tweet you posted: https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/1124530820692283392 and I doubt Disney made him delete any tweets at all, let alone “making” him delete tweets 2 years after his film’s release. That’s not “Disney definitely clamping down on him fast”.
It is a little weird that the guy who posted the tweets to Rian later deleted them all, and has since been banned from twitter.
I’d be interested in seeing more of these “many other examples” of Rian Johnson’s twitter “tantrums” about fans not liking TLJ. When you say “regardless of circumstance”, don’t ignore or forget to also include any of the death threats the toxic “fans” sent to him, of where “fans” on one of the more poisonous reddits announced his death. Was that May 4th too? I think it was? Maybe not. Or where people tweeted him that he worse than Hitler.
Rian Johnson doesn’t come off well in that tweet you posted. But I don’t know the context of it, others in that thread seem to be think RJ was “shitposting” or simply “owning” that kevin guy. Given the amount of vile and way of the top shit thrown his way over the years for making a film some people didn’t like, I’ll give him a pass for being a bit sharp to someone who is now banned from twitter for whatever reason.
I’ve no love for TLJ either, other than it looking stunning and was at least an attempt to move Star Wars forward to take risks, but the hatred, threats and shit he received was way over any acceptable critical “norm”.
“For over a thousand generations, the Jedi were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic — before the dark times. Before the Empire.”
That line always resonated with me. So much firing of the imagination, the potential, the world-building, the fall of that era to the Empire. So disappointing given what we have seen to date, and also haven’t seen in the films so far.
One day, maybe.
Give the us the reason why it has been delayed two days. Two days?
Is it because Bob in marketing accidentally used the masters tape to record an episode of Spongebob over it, and now they have to wait for the backup tapes of Obi-Wan to arrive? Plus, what has happened to Bob? Why didn’t anyone remove those tabs on the tapes so you cannot record over them? Or was this already done, and Bob put tape over the tabs so he could actually record over them? A bad move if this is what happened, Bob. We need another announcement, Ewan! #FreeBob
And release the full trailer too, Bob. Not the trailer for Spongebob, for Obi-Wan.
A short 20 second video has been leaked on r/StarWarsLeaks. Reportedly it is from a scene in the Obi-Wan series, but may be a fake, or April Fool?
I do not know the spoiler rules for linking a video for this kind of thing. So I have put the link to the video below in a Spoiler. If you do not want to know about this leak or what it contains, then please do not click on the “Expand” button below.
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/ttcmav/obiwan_vader_fight_scene/
This is an exquisite and most useful thread. I guess many of us have encountered people saying the above things, and more, when the subject arises of wanting the original cuts to be released again.
I’m yet to hear a valid reason why they shouldn’t or couldn’t be released. That includes the ego of George simply not wanting them to be, or his disingenuous and debunked reasons why they couldn’t be.
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SparkySywer is right though about Lucas’ statements on his sequel trilogy being contradictory. I recall even a single quote by him being somewhat contradictory.
Don’t have the quote on hand, but he basically says that there would be “no stormtroopers” in his sequels, but during that same answer he talks about how the stormtroopers would be like the Muhadjideen fighters, who wouldn’t give up and find their own little corners of the galaxy to bide their time in.
You are whooshing us, aren’t you? 😃 The quotes are in the OP of this thread:
George Lucas: That’s why they kept missing. Then after the Rebels won, there were no more stormtroopers in my version of the third trilogy.
and then:
George Lucas: Episode VII, VIII, and IX would take ideas from what happened after the Iraq War. “Okay, you fought the war, you killed everybody, now what are you going to do?” Rebuilding afterwards is harder than starting a rebellion or fighting the war. When you win the war and you disband the opposing army, what do they do? The stormtroopers would be like Saddam Hussein’s Ba’athist fighters that joined ISIS and kept on fighting. The stormtroopers refuse to give up when the Republic win. They want to be stormtroopers forever, so they go to a far corner of the galaxy, start their own country and their own rebellion.
and then:
George Lucas: It starts out a few years after Return of the Jedi and we establish pretty quickly that there’s this underworld, there are these offshoot stormtroopers who started their own planets.
Or is it another different quote from Lucas you are looking for? It would not be surprising if there was more!
More fascinating sketchbook artwork, by John McCoy on his work for TROS:
https://jonmccoyart.com/blog/starwars-the-rise-of-skywalker-sketchbook
Concept art, sketches and doodles for any Star Wars release is cool, and always good to see more of it see the light of day. That John McCoy is a talented guy. Beautiful artwork on display in that link.
Sorry for the bump. The recent “Most Powerful Quote in all the Star Wars films” thread didn’t seem right for these few fun lines from Solo:
Han Solo: Just did the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs!
Chewbacca: [howls at Han]
Han Solo: Not if you round down.
Lando: You need anything?
L3: Equal rights.
Han Solo: Since when do you know how to fly?
[Chewie howls something]
Han Solo: 190 years old?
[Chewie howls again]
Han Solo: You look great!
If the Obi-Wan series doesn’t galvanize the public’s interest in Star Wars, then the other random future TV series that KK and Disney announced (Andor???) will be the final nail in the coffin.
Well, at least for another decade or two until they reboot things again.
The Obi-Wan series has a lot to juggle with keeping the OT and PT fans happy, and the fans of both trilogies. It will probably have to be a very ambitious series to tackle, appease and maybe even attempt to unify these fan groups. And also be a separate story on its own two feet.
The general public will probably be happy with anything Star Wars. Much of the public liked the Sequels going on ticket and home media sales. If Disney+ subscriptions are up, and the general public mood or buzz is good (outside of us fanboy nerds, and on the side of the coin of online fans, TFM) then they’ll happily continue. Other Star Wars film and series are already in development and nearing production, and Disney won’t probably stop the gravy train for a mishit show or two.
I agree there’ll likely be reboots anyway soon enough! Another 10 years and it will “Episode X: The Search For A Compelling Villain - Palpatine Has Returned Again!”
It is not my idea, but one that I though could work. Maybe for a Disney+ short film:
"The film would take us on the journey of becoming an Imperial Stormtrooper, from cadet to graduation. As close as we can get to a Disney version of Full Metal Jacket in space. For the most part, Stormtroopers are one of the best running jokes in Star Wars. Their infamous inaccuracy is the source of many jokes and memes on the internet. We think it’s about time for Stormtroopers to be respected for the highly trained soldiers that they are.
In Star Wars: The Force Awakens, Disney gave us a Stormtrooper we could care about, they humanized the role, gave us a face, that had a story, and a person struggling with inner turmoil. We think it would be a great idea to continue this trend, and watch a soldier go from cadet to trooper and to give more legitimacy to the army of the most powerful military force in the galaxy."
A character study of what it like to be stormtrooper. The realization and uncomfortable facts of being one, the inner conflict, the scorn of friends and family, and doing things you do not actually want to do or agree with.
Or something different to that and more along the lines of a modern updated version of Troops!
I’m the same as Servii, this sounds like a good idea for a film. I’d happily look forward to watching it.
Even a follow-on film told from a Rebel soldier point of view. Idealization through to the realization and horror. Or that regular everyday people may not see you as being the hero you think you, are or are trying to be, or even don’t agree with the Rebellion.
More “Troops” too please!
I loved your Padme film title post here: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Alternative-Star-Wars-Movie-Titles-Keep-Checking-the-First-Post/id/13439/page/5#1477322 I was off thinking of other similar film titles for other characters after seeing that. 😃
Thank you. ♥️
But you didn’t answer my question: what is TFN? You said it’s a pro-PT site. I’d be interested in taking a look at it…
Sorry man, I missed that part. It is like StarkillerAG and theprequelsrule said.
There is more about it in the “Fandom Discussion Threads” part of the OT Index thread. TFN has come a long way since, they no longer ban people for talking about the theatrical versions, or for highlighting George’s contradicting claims, or banning people for wanting a gay character in Star Wars or writing about it. They are more relaxed now, with lots more Star Wars around to talk about, but still very zealot-like when it comes to their love for Special Editions.
Lots of TFN posters on here now too and everyone is cool.
I enjoyed reading that, but are those unpopular opinions for a Prequel fan? They appear to be the kind of opinions you find often among PT fans on TFN or other pro-PT sites. Interesting opinions, don’t get me wrong.
They’re not unpopular opinions among Prequel fans, but they’re unpopular opinions on this forum, since many people here criticize the Prequel Trilogy. On the contrary, I call myself a huge Prequel fan. I love the Prequel Trilogy and I think it’s just as awesome as the Original Trilogy, if not even better (at least as far as visuals and worldbuilding are concerned).
Okay, I see now. I found it a little confusing as people here criticize (and also love) everything, the ST, the EU, Disney, even ROTJ, and thought it was for putting up opinions of different views from within their own section of fandom. Apologies.
I loved your Padme film title post here: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Alternative-Star-Wars-Movie-Titles-Keep-Checking-the-First-Post/id/13439/page/5#1477322 I was off thinking of other similar film titles for other characters after seeing that. 😃
There is so much I agree in here, and a quality OP by Channel72.
One of main issues for me is I don’t like that Anakin was basically tricked into joining the Dark Side in ROTS. He wasn’t really seduced by the Dark Side as we were told by Obi-Wan in Star Wars. Instead we just that the Emperor basically played him for a fool and tricked him.
The OT seems like generic random nonsense without the prequels. Still good movies, but disconnected. Vader goes from a mildly concerned calculating mad dog, to a ruthless level headed cold blooded killer who is randomly the hero’s dad, and then he is suddenly a conflicted tragic villain. The inconsistency doesn’t make the most sense on it’s own, but if you watch Revenge of the Sith you see him embody all those traits, and understand why he wouldn’t care about the Empire until he meets his son, and why he would still feel conflicted about something he isn’t invested in… Because he’s been hooked on career performance his entire life, hence his Episode IV characteristics.
He’s been placating his guilt for betraying his friends by committing to a persona of evil and burying his pain beneath a monster, making up for a feeling of lacking control by manipulating the fear in others, hence his Episode V demeanor in response to discovering Luke is Anakin’s son. He wants to convert Luke to evil to validate his own choices and mistakes, and when he can’t he finally sees his choices were always a form of denial of his true feelings, which Luke sensed in him. And together those qualities clarify his Episode VI conflict. There’s a vague arc that seems like wishy washy convenient post plot twist course correction that becomes crystal clear when you see where he came from. It takes something that seems spontaneous and shows how well it was actually planned out.
George would always have to explain the trajectory of Vader’s development, and always said there was a missing element of the originals he wanted have clarified when he was making the prequels. Everything he did with Anakin in the PT was to reenforce the way Vader was depicted in the OT. People thought he was a great villain because he was anything and everything to anyone with a scary design and voice, but George wanted Vader to have a very specific tragedy behind him, and that truly made him the best written villain in a beautifully crafted concrete manner. It’s the exact opposite of how the ST builds off the OT, retroactively making it seem pointless in Episode VII, even trying to make it seem politically incorrect in Episode VIII, and then finally mocking it in Episode IX. Every episode of the PT added to and enriched the OT. I’d consider myself an OT purist, and that’s why I love the PT and hate the ST.
I enjoyed reading that, but are those unpopular opinions for a Prequel fan? They appear to be the kind of opinions you find often among PT fans on TFN or other pro-PT sites. Interesting opinions, don’t get me wrong.
Sure, but sometimes you have to step back and say, “Wow, I’m spending countless hours looking for deeper meaning in family space fantasy movies. Maybe I’m no better than the nerds who memorize wikis.”
I think you absolutely can ascribe deeper meaning to Star Wars movies, even the prequels and sequels. The Star Wars fandom wouldn’t be so passionate if this weren’t the case. Star Wars isn’t indie arthouse kino and George Lucas isn’t Francis Ford Coppola, but he was a friend and close colleague of his. Star Wars isn’t Marvel either and Lucas isn’t Michael Bay.
That said, and I truly do mean no disrespect to Stardust1138 (because this is all an internet argument over above average space movies after all)…
Mental gymnastics and insane stretches have always been required by Prequel fans when in discussion with others who did not enjoy these films or point out the discrepancies between the two trilogies. I am surprised many Prequel fans themselves rarely seem to question why Lucas’ poor writing for the later Trilogy created so many needless plot-holes and contradictions, and still look to use such gymnastics and stretches instead.
This is spot on. I almost feel like it’s a culture within the prequel fandom, because prequel fans talking about the basic plot of the prequels is full of more headcanon than what’s actually shown on screen.
All I’ll say is there’s always another side to every story. Everyone gets something different from what they see as we each have different experiences that shape us. We can choose to view something from a more personal perspective or we can view it from a more artistic perspective. I tend to view it from both but I recognise not everyone cares to go down that rabbit hole. That’s there choice but in my humble opinion especially with something as profoundly moving as Star Wars can be I question why you wouldn’t want to understand George Lucas and his point of view but in life you can’t always understand why people think as they do. I don’t know anymore in life if we truly ever understand each other but it’s human sympathy that is more valuable than ideologies, beliefs, and thought processes.
As others have said on here you assume too much. You assume that others have not also viewed the films from different perspective. You also do not factor in it is possible to view the films from such differing perspectives and still not like or enjoy them.
That is quite a narrow and limited view to take.
I would also counter that by saying I think it’s more to do with the perception of how you view the films.
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It didn’t bother her in the slightest. She’s not been influenced by me or the years of baggage we as a fandom have with it. She’s taking the story as it’s given to her in the order George wanted her and everyone to see it. Perhaps in general that’s a lesson we can all learn from on both sides that we shouldn’t project but share as the author intended versus what is personal to us until after we give the newbie a chance to form their own thoughts.
As above you assume far too much. People have watched these films in various orders, and some will have watched the Prequels before watching the Original films.
“Baggage as a fandom?”
“A lesson to be learnt?”
“we shouldn’t project but share as the author intended”
But these are only taken into account if we didn’t like the films, right? You seem to be of the opinion Star Wars fans turned up to watch the Prequels with a closed mind, already deciding they didn’t like them before seeing them, and knew nothing of George prior to them. Or if they didn’t like these movies they didn’t simply didn’t understand them.
I would suggest you open your mind to what others are saying to you when they are of the opinion they didn’t enjoy the Prequels very much.
What you are saying is insulting and a little narrow minded. Even when overlooking some brief lip service about “all views being respected” in your posts, it seems obvious you have no respect for people with the view that the Prequels were not enjoyable movies.
I do think a lot of the problems some have lay with they don’t understand it how George Lucas views it. There’s a lot of fans that are simply satisfied with the spaceships and spectacle of it or don’t try understanding things like why the Yoda in Attack of the Clones is different from where we see him in The Empire Strikes Back.
“Everyone who doesn’t like the prequels just doesn’t get them and they don’t think any more deeply about these movies than a caveman.”
I need something more than that and like being able to draw lines between the two trilogies.
“I, the annointed one, however, need a little more than what you Australopithecines seem to sustain yourselves on.”
However that doesn’t mean I think it’s wrong to have your own personal point of view on things with this very thing being what is enjoyed most or not being interested in finding the juxtapositions.
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I found that most amusing. Correct too.
Glad y’all have enjoyed. I just made a big update after being given a look at a fan-scanned revised 3rd draft of the film. Definitely changed some scene orderings & script details. I’ve also included links to relevant videos throughout, a few more storyboards that have appeared online, and a look on the Sources page into what storyboards typically look like.
The only big thing I’d like to do, other than get the missing storyboards, is do a detailed analysis of how things were rearranged in the editing process. Maybe someday!
Thank you so much for this. I was pointed to it be a friend and didn’t expect to see such a quality piece of work as this, it took me back to eagerly reading the old comics, manuals and compiling scrapbooks on Star Wars way back in the 80’s!
I do hope we see that detailed analysis of the editing process some day too.
I was 12 when it first came out and it was a great time as others here have said. For me and my friends it was a great time for Star Wars fans, nerds, science fiction and kids in general. All the way up to the time of the Special Editions, where Lucas’ attempts to change our memories and experiences with his new Special Editions, and then trying to wipe the original films from existence.
Back then in the 70’s and early 80’s Star Wars was everywhere which unlike today’s film advertising and was rare to see. It was even on the more serious TV shows that our parents and teachers watched, on the news, and often featured stories and interviews in the newspapers. It was such a cool thing to see something that all us young kids loved so much being shown that way, being talked about, and the general buzz surrounding the film.