Thats understandable macesmajored, Best stick to whats familiar with this edit. It is a fanfare theme for sure but thought as its the ultimate finale ending it could go out with a bang akin to yub nub ending 😉
I don’t mean to sound dismissive, but I don’t think that that awesome trailer music feels right in the context of the movie itself at all.
Oh really 🤔, its a short climbmatic score which is nostalgic and new at the same time and fits the visuals of the demise of evil so well. But each to their own I suppose, it must go into an edit at some point I guess.
For a while, I’ve been trying to think of places in the movie that the incredible music from the final TROS trailer could go in since it wasn’t used in the film. You’ll have to excuse my poor editing skills, but I made a rough mock-up placing it immediately after Palpatine dies. I actually think it fits pretty well + I really wanted to replace the music there with something else since it’s a boring repeat of the overused Force theme again. The only issue I see is I’m not sure where to exactly end it. The music actually “fades” off in a decent area because the epic destruction montage comes to a halt when Rose tells Poe that Finn is still on the ship, but my editing for it is very awkward.
OMG, I love it. This fits perfectly! Please include that in any way
+1 😎👍
Hi Anjohan,
Great work on these edits and hope to see your edits finale of these shows in the future.
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That ending is good but I must agree with others in that theres a bit of a Big Ben issue going on as if hes scale seems to put him in font of Luke and Leia, smaller shoulders and slight narrow head maybe a fix.
I pop by now and then to see how things are shaping up with Ascendant and must say Hals decisions so far seem to be for the better, good to see the less is more philosophy is still strong. I’m happy with using the original workprint until the final is finished, more to look forward too without burning out watching 😉
Also sorry to hear that kewlfish, Keep strong my friend.
I see you are inpatient Hal and tired of the editing hault, or rather, the long wait to finish it. So I’ll give you my few cents to maybe help keep the spirit going;
I haven’t seen TROS. And I work at a damn cinema! No interest. I haven’t watched original films since before TFA. I’ve watched TFA and TLJ only to edit them, and not ever since.
I follow this thread, and await this final edit, just to see if you can pull of a film I will actually somewhat enjoy, as I don’t even dare to watch the original. This is the only interesting part left of Star Wars for me. This tiny, little thread.
Anjohan your too modest your edit of TFA won Fanedit Of The Month on fanedit.org on release and has so many great ideas its my go to for TFA to this day, Hope you think about finishing it with a V2 someday 😏👌
http://ifdb.fanedit.org/star-wars-episode-i-the-ancient-lore/
Hope to hear of an update for v2 also.
And that’s an interesting read on the Leia death, with Rey feeling responsible for it. That makes sense! I’ll have to play with the scene, though, unless there’s a mock-up out there I may just not be remembering right now. If Rey stabbing Kylo is followed by Rey dropping headphones, there’d be a lot to cram in from Leia before seeing her give out altogether.
That would be a tough edit, though an interesting idea. I think it’s doable.
The biggest hurdle is what now distracts Kylo for her to stab him?
Erm… guys its all in my mock up vid from awhile ago right here 😅
Video Breakdown:
Also done a theatre screening of Ascendant in my back garden for friends and family using Hals original V1 work print to better explain future changes being made for the final edit and everyone loved it. 😎👌
And about the 16 hours thing… It unfortunately is about the only real reason the characters keep pushing on so relentlessly, not going back to base and not staying to reflect for any length of time on Ach-To, etc.
Ah, bummer. Not even a throwaway line edit/rerecord saying “an attack is imminent,” or “they’re preparing to attack on all free worlds” or something like that? Haha
I just feel the 16 hour window is WAY too small for everything in the movie to take place. I personally think the characters’ urgency with the breakneck pace of the movie can be properly motivated by the terror of just the knowledge that Palpatine is back and preparing to wreak havoc:
Palpatine is revealed to be on Exegol and an attack is imminent -> Rey recognizes the name Exegol and knows how to find it based on the texts and Luke’s journals -> there’s no time to lose for the heroes to start the hunt for Exegol, especially since this is what Rey has been training for, and she’s motivated by her dark vision and wants to fight it -> they head to Pasaana to start the journey looking for clues, Rey finds the dagger that reeks of the dark side, which is growing in power by the minute, whispers getting stronger -> they need 3PO’s translation, so they have to head to Kijimi -> the dark side whispers/calls are getting even stronger, maybe flashing more visions in Rey’s head(?) -> this leads them to the ruins of the Death Star II on Endor -> etc.
But I’m just being whiny. I know it takes a TON of work, and I’m super happy and impressed with the work being done! You’re awesome!
EDIT: skipping through the movie, would it flow or make sense to put the scene of Pryde communicating with Palpatine (with minor tweaks) right after he kills Hux ("…HIS foolish act will be in vain…"), and then later just transition from Kylo throwing his saber to Leia’s body at the Resistance Base without that scene in-between.
Thats unfortunate its staying I agree with medioCORE that 16h doomsday clock feels out of place as the timers never referenced after that initial scene.
If we’re emphasizing on Reys darker side via the sabre could we maybe consider Rey indirectly killing Leia
Haven’t watched your video, but this is how I interpreted the scene in the theater and how I still interpret it, and I still think it’s weird that nobody else seems to see it that way.
Rey definitely killed Leia by accident, you guys. That’s why she tried to run away and hide on Ahch-To.
/soapbox
Thanks ChainsawAsh glad to hear I’m not the only one who interpreted that way, hence my mock up video to futher emphasize the fact.
Sure no worries just a thought, yeah that crackling sabre idea is up there with the force ghosts and sith whispers, perfect. 😁👌
If we’re emphasizing on Reys darker side via the sabre could we maybe consider Rey indirectly killing Leia idea from my vid here @ 1:39.
I don’t want to rehash an ideas vid which has already had the no from Hal but maybe just that idea in the vid showing Reys dark side more when she stabs Kylo.
Alright all, here is Rey’s training scene. The Pasana clip was low quality footage, but I used the actual movie footage for this one. Let me know the issues that y’all see with it and I will continue to refine it.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pKYCyA_32BLEWYfCi-Zz2XTV4xLY0OOu/view?usp=sharing
Well done kewlfish…
Also Rey rebuilt the sabre and used jedi techniques to bind the shattered kyber crystal, explained in vid here
So it really doesn’t make sense to have the sabre change back physically after all those changes when teleporting it to Kylo.
That’s all right. I’m not in a hurry to release a final product and would rather wait until things are right than to have to do a V2 sometime later. And I doubt your piece will be the final bit to wait for anyway.
I will decide on an approximate audio level baseline for the effect, being less than Kylo’s. It doesn’t need to be loud. And I’ll try to approximate how the audio effect behaves for Kylo’s saber. Or it may work better to only really hear it when the saber is on and things are quiet. I imagine underdoing it rather than overdoing it.
Wow Rays now weilding a crackling repaired sabre, This a genius idea nice one 😁👌
Although, while a shot LIKE that would be nice, that particular shot doesn’t particularly scream end of movie. Rey doesn’t look emotional either.
I agree, that shot feels too active, it gives off a “time for another adventure!” vive, which is what it originally is, instead of a finale. And Rey loses all the emotion from the “Rey Skywalker” moment.
The chess scene works in a better, more subtle way to show that Rey’s friends travel with her. I much prefer the current, simpler ending. It puts the focus on Rey and the Skywalkers, and ends with just the Falcon riding off into the (binary) sunset. Classic!
+1
Though the Skywalker ghosts watching the Falcon/sunrise as an ending shot is a neat idea!
+1 too for chess ending, Might be a stretch with Hals edit but would be a fitting sight to see those ghosts at the end there.
IMO, I think if you leave out the transports landing, but go straight to the interior shot of the stormtroopers disembarking and then charging into battle, it looks good. I also think muting the Battlefront footage would help, if you were to keep it in.
Strongly agree here. Not that I’m a big fan of the Battlefront stuff, but the landing is the worst part due to the odd speed and camera angle, and there shouldn’t be any voices when they leave so that it flows a bit better into Kylo’s reveal.
I threw together a SUPER rough cut in the default Windows editor of how this would look.
I like the battlefront footage, but I don’t want to throw half the viewing audience. The people that I showed this to that I know in real life were themselves split along the lines of people who play video games and people who don’t. I don’t know what it is about that footage, but if it is going to be drawing to a number of people I’d prefer not to include it in the very first scene. Just having the one shot of the TIEs added works better than I imagined it would. So I’m happy for the TIE fighters to show up, have a drum solo for a minute, and then proceed with the movie.
Agreed Hal best to keep it simple here, as previously discussed are we still able get some troop blaster fire on ground in this new shot, signalling a battle is already underway.
If you still wanted to reduce the blue on Luke’s force ghost, I’ve been working on toning it down with a lot of masks. Here’s a rough cut that still needs a lot of adjustments
Great work on this Bobson are we still changing the line from “and Leia knew it too” to just “and Leia new it”
for this edit.
Will it help to add some slight reverb to Lukes force ghost voice akin to Obi Wans on Dagobah ?
Heres a thought to further extending the films pacing were needed and giving more depth to Leias death while also emphasising Leia helping Kylo become Ben again through his conflicted guilt over killing his father as well as Rey showing her darker side developing.
Rens Redemption video clip:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NQmlOR2p-7ad6a4NBYTSjxmJ7xlnK6-j/view?usp=sharing
Needs proper sound and clean up but hope you get the idea.
Muffy, could you direct me to the clip you referenced about removing the lightspeed skipping?
It wasn’t a clip as such just timestamps on your workprint for cutting the light speed skip argument between Poe & Rey.
If I had to decide one way or the other permanently right now, I still lean toward leaving the structure of the opening as it is. However, I remain open to being persuaded and shown that it can work.
I won’t dub and sub Boolio unless there’s something to gain. Anybody think of some thing he could say to imply that the final order consists of old imperial star destroyers, that wouldn’t be too heavy handed or weird?
Also, one of you posted a good while ago a good edit point to remove the lightspeed skipping reference once the falcon returns. Who was that? It seemed good but I can’t remember how it went.
Possible Changes/Addition Ideas:
Mustafar
- 00:03:10 - Palpatines “find me” line to Kylo
Sounds a bit clean possibly give his voice some dream like fx, maybe adding an echoing effect ?Beginning Chase
Remove Klaud scenes
As already been mentioned by othersMake Boolio speak Alien & adding subtitles
Although Mark Hamill voiced him the scene would feel alot better to have the charactor subed.Resistance Base
- Remove light speed skip talk from 00:13:41 to 00:13:51
Passana
Remove “they fly now!”
As already been mentioned by othersRemove Kylos exploding tie centre piece after crash @ 00:38:44
00:39:31 - Rey & Kylo Force Pulling Ship
I find it really odd how close they both are to each other yet Kylo instead of just walker over to Rey just stands there using the force then watches as they run off. Removing 00:39:31 to 00:39:33 and slight cropping of Ren @ 00:37:47 & 00:39:55 we are left thinking theres some distance between Rey & Ren.
Kijimi
- 00:45:39 Zorii telling Poe “I want to see your brains in the snow”
Doesn’t sound like what a StarWars character would say. dropping that line leaving her slight nod to Poe holding a gun to his head would be a much better effect.Exegol
01:50:04 - Dyad Exposition Talk
Having Palpatine explaining more exposition at this point does cheapen the scene more so if it was possible to just have him simply realising theres a mysterious force between Rey & Ren without touting the dyad exposition it would add more by saying less. Also maybe remove talk elsewhere about force Dyad.01:57:12 - Have the force ghosts disappear AFTER Palpatine explodes @ 01:57:17
Theres one other final big change which I feel would make a big difference involving Leia & the sabre battle with Rey & Ben but I’ll try and show it rather then explain it here via a mock up I’ll do to better explain.
Also cutting Chewies original alive reveal does kind of speed up on screen an already fast pasted film.
That was me Hal also heres that change involving Leia & the sabre battle with Rey & Ben.
Please bear in mind its only a crude proof of concept vid I’m running a lowly HTPC and using Win10 default Video app to cut and paste this together but I hope you get the idea.
Rens Redemption:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NQmlOR2p-7ad6a4NBYTSjxmJ7xlnK6-j/view?usp=sharing
Anyway, the other eye roll is still the dagger “pop out” on Endor that points to the location of the Wayfinder. A simpler thing to do is to remove that pop out and make use of Sith whispers to “guide” Rey.
It’s a Sith thing, has dark side power to it and she has been guided by it before. (Sensing it on the Destroyer before her first duel with Kylo.)
The pop out part is just so … cheesy. Too Gooney. Also, it really makes no sense why they dude would chose a specific spot on “Endor,” made a design to “line” up with the DSII spot. It’s so bad.
Sith whispers is such a simple solution.
Completely agree jarbear, make use of Sith whispers to “guide” Rey 👍
- Remove Kylos exploding tie centre piece after crash @ 00:38:44
Kijimi
- 00:45:39 Zorii telling Poe “I want to see your brains in the snow”
Doesn’t sound like what a StarWars character would say. dropping that line leaving her slight nod to Poe holding a gun to his head would be a much better effect.Darth Muffy several of your suggestions I had implemented, and I’m sure others will. And the above two ideas are quite good. I just implemented both of them.
Kylo would have had to jump out before the explosion and that’s a bit ridiculous. So I cut it.
Also the brains in the snow bit is too much. I cut that as well. It was simple and only required muting the center channel and blending into and out of the muted part. Thank you!You’ve all given me a hell of a lot of feedback on day 1 of the first workprint. I thank you.
I’ve just updated the OP with my intentions at this point in time and the status of each.
If anyone is interested in Muffy’s idea of making it appear that Kylo is farther away from Rey as they fight over the Chewie shuttle, feel free to give it a shot. I didn’t put it on my list, though.
I’m glad to hear your onboard with a few ideas I pieced together 😅
I really want to get a simple proof of concept clip up soon I’m sorting out involving Leia and Rey/Ren sabre battle I hope you also agree with. The misses is visiting the mother inlaws at the mo with the little ones (UK lockdowns have ease somewhat) which will give me time to sort it out 😏👍
Is there anything worth altering about Boolio’s lines if subtitling him? “Holy hell, I heard Palpatine returned somehow. I had to search everywhere to find this SATA cable.”
🤣 too true, but it might be worth a good think about adding some worth while lines at that point.
Hmm, removing the dyad exposition may make it feel even more weird. “The power of love has healed my cold heart. Healed it… FOR EVIL.”
I always just took it as a mystic force thing which simply gave them those abilities without labeling specific force details, but I know that kind of simplicity is not to everyones way of thinking about StarWars.
We’re far from the simpler times when the force could be explaned as an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.
This edit was exactly what I was hoping for with the emphasis being to tighten the original films story arch like Hals previous edits of the sequal trilogy without going too far out there which other edits can do using this as a template. By far the best two changes being the end battle with the emperor & the Exegol ship battle…
All fighters reporting in “That’s not a navy, sir. It’s just… people” 😁👌
Possible Changes/Addition Ideas:
Mustafar
Beginning Chase
Remove Klaud scenes
As already been mentioned by others
Make Boolio speak Alien & adding subtitles
Although Mark Hamill voiced him the scene would feel alot better to have the charactor subed.
Resistance Base
Passana
Remove “they fly now!”
As already been mentioned by others
Remove Kylos exploding tie centre piece after crash @ 00:38:44
00:39:31 - Rey & Kylo Force Pulling Ship
I find it really odd how close they both are to each other yet Kylo instead of just walker over to Rey just stands there using the force then watches as they run off. Removing 00:39:31 to 00:39:33 and slight cropping of Ren @ 00:37:47 & 00:39:55 we are left thinking theres some distance between Rey & Ren.
Kijimi
Exegol
01:50:04 - Dyad Exposition Talk
Having Palpatine explaining more exposition at this point does cheapen the scene more so if it was possible to just have him simply realising theres a mysterious force between Rey & Ren without touting the dyad exposition it would add more by saying less. Also maybe remove talk elsewhere about force Dyad.
01:57:12 - Have the force ghosts disappear AFTER Palpatine explodes @ 01:57:17
Theres one other final big change which I feel would make a big diference involving Leia & the sabre battle with Rey & Ben but I’ll try and show it rather then explain it here via a mock up I’ll do to better explain.
Also cutting Chewies original alive reveal does kind of speed up on screen an already fast pasted film.
Even if these ideas are ignored I still think the edits core changes are already good as is.
😁✌
And that’s very nice, Muffy! Actually, that reminds me that at some point cover artwork will be needed. Ideally, in the style of TFA:R and TLJ:L. The others had Kylo Ren and Luke, so I guess Rey would be a natural fit for TROS:A.
Okay so I expected some might not be on board with my first cover art so I have an altenative, It has Rey on it!.. 😉
