Got 'em ripped OK (media code RITEK/R03 burnt 2004)
ESB is 50% smaller than the others, dunno why
Look for 'em in the wee hours of Zulu time
Might see the old *.torrent file and wonder WTF?
Remember, it contains SHA1 hashes.
You can bet I've already checked 'em, but you should too nonetheless
Nerfherder (nee seventiesfilmnut) gave us his raw 44.1 rip of '85 mix (from '89 shrinking-ratio LD) several years ago.
So it's available, just in case you want to iZotope it (but your "Oh well" suggests otherwise ;)
I understand d_j has been working on '85 mix also, but not sure whether he's ripping or capturing
Hey Harmy check this out
And this
Want to give credit to grisan for giving us those many moons ago
EvilSupes said:
Been waiting for the ROTJ 1997 SE
The-Lion said:
Yes please, could somebody upload any '97 version?
Mallwalker said:
STAR_WARS
Episode IV
A New Hope
1997 Special Edition
Hybrid DVD5 made from ( REIVAX + Flunk ) sources
Video is PAL anamorphic
Audio is AC3 2.0 Dolby Surround 192kbps
It's mostly REIVAX, with Flunk bits replacing REIVAX's hard French subtitles.
Flunk DVD has no subs -- neither hard nor soft. So this DVD has none.
*MAYBE* the subpicture stream from LFL 2004 DVD could be muxed in,
and might stay sync'ed acceptably well. (I don't have '04 PAL to try with.)
This whole project is admittedly Lo-Tech.
Womble all the way, baby. And MuxMan.
Shirley, you didn't expect me to re-encode video on my Pentium-!!! did you?
-Mallwalker
none said:
Noticed what look like rips in two consecutive frames:
27,822Darth Mallwalker said:
I've decided "Thank the maker" reel begins at GOUT offset 27,820
There exist other standards (SMPTE-301, maybe some EBU ones too,) butwikipedia.org said:
According to SMPTE-55 (SMPTE Universal leader), there shall be 4 frames of motor cue, followed by 168 frames of picture, followed by 4 frames of changeover cue, followed by 24 frames of picture.
Had a quick look 'around the 18 min mark' and nothing jumped out grabbing my attention.
Can you describe more precisely what's happening on screen at the time?
that's from usenet long ago.segaflip said:
; Generated by QuickSFV v2.32 on 2005-08-11 at 05:11:12
; http://www.QuickSFV.org
;
; 410304512 20:21.30 2005-06-25 Rowman - VI Extras\VIDEO_TS\VTS_05_1.VOB
Rowman - VI Extras\VIDEO_TS\VTS_05_1.VOB DA18E4E5
Moth3r told you where they are.
Oh, but you don't want those ones.
So after turning up your nose at them, now you're gonna keep bumping this thread?
"the torrents" ?
If you got the one whose tracker uses a green imp mascot, then you'll have almost-but-not-quite the same thing as AvP put on teh paradox.
VOB files are exactly the same.
IFO files are different because some "fuckwit" changed 'em....
GOUT has no cue marks.
IP might be 2000ft reels ... I'll likely never see an IP to know for sure.
But these are some we can see now:
- domestic Pan/Scan CAV laserdisc
- Japanese SC laserdisc (first widescreen transfer)
- GOUT
Now for this example, let us consider the first changeover in ESB.
First reel ends with Artoo standing outside the base, scanning for Luke.
Threepio tries to reassure themselves "He'll be quite alright."
Second reel begins with Luke collapsing in the snow (returning from wampa cave.)
Pan/Scan laserdisc is missing 4 frames of Artoo + 3 frames of Luke
3+4 = 7 frames missing compared to GOUT
JSC laserdisc is missing 5 frames of Artoo + 2 of Luke = 7 fewer than GOUT
[GOUT might be missing some frames too, compared to IP, but we'll never know it.]
So these are the raw data I've collected.
They're typical of what I've found across the board for all three films.
What does it mean?
Well I'd say . . . IP can exist on 2000ft reels if-and-only-if
a new IP was pepared (from 1000ft negative reels) for each laserdisc release.
zombie, how does that match your earlier research? I've searched in vain for your post(s) about when new IPs were printed. IIRC you had written on that topic before.
Were new IPs made for each of those laserdisc releases?
By the way I've done some interpolating, and some extrapolating based on Moth3r's cue dots, and I've decided "Thank the maker" reel begins at GOUT offset 27,820 (give-or-take four-or-five frames ;)
"What're you lookin' at?"
"I know what I'm doing."
Or this one:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Help-with-synching-PAL-GOUT-to-the-77-stereo-mix/topic/7864/
Printed on six 2000ft reels for distribution?
While IP is on 'standard' 1000ft reels. That's my best guess anyway.
Perhaps the real film experts like zombie, Puggo, etc. can correct me
Found more missing from GOUT
These frames from ROTJ:
It's the tail end of the establishing shot just before Mon Mothma's briefing.
Happens to be the end of a reel too.
Screen caps taken from Editdroid disc.
Now this is puzzling:
If Editdroid used DC laserdiscs, then 'DC master' should also contain those frames, right?
So what's GOUT's excuse for cutting them?
My childhood is raped!
1anakin said:
(8,448,704,512 bytes)
Here's RotJ
GOUT
Frame | HH:MM:SS
689 - STAR WARS title card appears . . . *clap*
011,771 | 00:08:10
024,346 | 00:16:55
039,042 | 00:27:08
053,182 | 00:36:58
068,664 | 00:47:43
083,374 | 00:57:57
098,144 | 01:08:13
111,450 | 01:17:28
127,216 | 01:28:25
141,781 | 01:38:33
155,269 | 01:47:56
170,895 | 01:58:47
Times are calculated using the simple formula:
[(Frame) / (24000/1001)] with the remainder thrown away.
They might or might not match any given DVD player's display.
Corrections would be appreciated!
------------------------------Original post is unedited above this line -------------------------------
Corrections will still be appreciated!
That was NTSC. This is PAL GOUT:
689 - STAR WARS title card
011,771 || Reel02
024,346 || Reel03
039,042 || Reel04
053,182 || Reel05
068.666 || Reel06
083.376 || Reel07
098.146 || Reel08
111.452 || Reel09
127.218 || Reel10
141.782 || Reel11
155.270 || Reel12
170.896 || Reel13
cite source
Thanks again Red5
Mallwalker said:
GOUT
Frame
688 - STAR WARS title card appears . . . *clap*
015,591 | 0:10:50 | Reel02 | Luke collapses in snow
030,742 | 0:21:22 | Reel03 | Han welding
046,518 | 0:32:20 | Reel04 | walker's ankles (wonder if the leader of this reel contains Luke's other grappling hook miss ;)
059,569 | 0:41:24 | Reel05 | pterodactyls
075,060 | 0:52:10 | Reel06 | 'conference call' with Vader
090,888 | 1:03:10 | Reel07 | Luke enters cave
106,133 | 1:13:46 | Reel08 | Falcon perched on destroyer
121,723 | 1:24:36 | Reel09 | X-wing leaves Dagobah
134,731 | 1:33:39 | Reel10 | Han 'walks the plank'
150,204 | 1:44:24 | Reel11 | Luke bounces on trampoline (end of Reel10)
165,250 | 1:54:52 | Reel12 | Falcon fleeing Bespin
Times are calculated using simple formula: (Frame) divided by (24000/1001)
They might or might not match any given DVD player's display
Standard 1000ft reels
First frame of each reel, with its GOUT offset
GOUT
Frame | HH:MM:SS
689 - STAR WARS title card appears . . . clap
012,676 | 00:08:48
027,8___ | 00:19:20 - fade to black
041,351 | 00:28:44
055,749 | 00:38:45
070,632 | 00:49:05
086,677 | 01:00:15
100,686 | 01:09:59
113,652 | 01:19:00
128,032 | 01:29:00
144,053 | 01:40:08
158,395 | 01:50:06
Times are calculated using the simple formula:
[(Frame) / (24000/1001)] with the remainder thrown away.
They might or might not match any given DVD player’s display.
We might be able to guesstimate filling in the blank using the cue dots on Moth3r’s widescreen bootleg
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Last edited on June 26, 2010 at 8:46 PM by Darth Mallwalker
That was NTSC. This is PAL GOUT:
689 - STAR WARS title card
012,676 || Reel02
027.822 || Reel03
041,351 || Reel04
055,749 || Reel05
070,632 || Reel06
086,677 || Reel07
100,686 || Reel08
113,652 || Reel09
128,032 || Reel10
144.054 || Reel11
158.396 || Reel12
adywan said:
I have just seen your pan and scan laserdisc versions appear over at a.b.starwars. Does the ESB one contain the 1980 stereo mix as i'd love to hear this?
hairy_hen said:
It sounds like he's got a high quality capture setup,
hairy_hen said:
Can someone tell me exactly where the side breaks took place for the laserdisc release that is being used? Also locations of reel changes if those are known--anywhere a definite jump in synch is most likely to occur.
Side 2 you say? Let me get my notes...
[All frame numbers reference GOUT video, where "STAR WARS" title card appears in frame 688.]
- GOUT frame 32,188 is missing from the end of side 1
- GOUT 32,189 is missing from the beginning of side 2
"General, there's a fleet of star destroyers coming out of hyperspace"
-GOUT 46,515-46,517 three frames missing
from the head-on shot of walkers firing at retreating soldiers
(just before Luke throws his grappling hook into the walker belly)
-GOUT 59,556-59,573 (13 + 5 = 18 frames missing)
13 from the closeup shot of Luke the moment after he crashed in the swamp
8 from the following 'pterodactyl' shot
-GOUT 72,772-72,774 (3 frames) missing from end of side 2
-GOUT 72,775-72,780 (6 frames) from beginning of side 3
I think you'll find the audio jumps out of sync at those points. ("Drift" is the wrong word to use.)
Insert your patches into those spots....
of course that's assuming Burtt didn't get a hair up his butt to tweak it, in order to showcase the then-new digital sound (and 'HiFi' VHS) technologies.ChainsawAsh said:
Yes, 1478-80 is the one with the 1983 stereo mix.
Time compresseddark_jedi said:
OK I have a 2 sided ESB with number 1425-80 manufactured and printed in the USA.
That's the one.dark_jedi said:
also have 5 sided ESB with number 1425-84 manufactured and printed in the USA.
You'd get the same result, I reckon...dark_jedi said:
it slowly drifts, and by the end it is waaaay out, so I assume I will have to rip from the LD.
Not time compressed.Darth Editous said:
Anyway, sounds like the LD might be time compressed
CLV vs. CAVdark_jedi said:
for Jedi I have,
3 sided(weird this has less sides than ESB)
Scored that one still in shrink wrap unopened, for a sawbuck! No need to bust it out though, since Belbucus has done a 'wizard' job already.dark_jedi said:
also if this is anything I found Star Wars # 1130-84
LDDB is wrong, in this particular case.
It's five sides.
http://www.blam1.com/StarWars/1425-84M.htm