Darth Lucas

Sounds good 😃

RU.08 said:

the matte-line is almost non-existent in the 1981 version when compared with the recreation.

Which is why the matte line was painted out of the recreation several versions ago 😉

Dreamaster said:

As a last resort couldn’t the planets be rotoscoped from a different source?

Yes but I think the idea is to have it all from one source.

Actually, if Williarob could get me a raw, completely uncorrected frame, it may actually yield a better result. The levels correction being done beforehand can affect how the shadows change when color corrected. With them already being dark, if I move the shadows away from yellow and toward blue, it can make all of the shadows a dark blue instead of black (this has been a major obstacle). So if at all possible, I’d like to see how a completely raw frame handles when color corrected.

fmalover said:

Darth Lucas said:

Here is a pretty quick correction. I’ll try to further refine it but without correcting each element separately (which I assume would mess up the color matching process) it’s hard to get it looking right. There’s a lot of noise in the source which makes it incredibly difficult to correct. But anyways:

Before:

After:

That colour correction looks way too blue.

I know, that’s the problem. I’m trying to find a balance between making the star destroyer more of a neutral tone without making everything else appear too blue. It’s a delicate balance to try to find, but I’m working on it.

Here is another quick correction, this time of the sample you posted having gone through Dre’s color balance program. I think that as a starting point yields a better end result. Though the problem I keep encountering is that once you get the shadows and highlights on the star destroyer looking more or less right, Tatooine starts to look too cool to my eyes.

Here is a pretty quick correction. I’ll try to further refine it but without correcting each element separately (which I assume would mess up the color matching process) it’s hard to get it looking right. There’s a lot of noise in the source which makes it incredibly difficult to correct. But anyways:

Before:

After:

Williarob said:

Darth Lucas said:

Williarob said:

I also have a new version of the '81 Crawl. I spent a few days working with the 35mm version and even managed to bring back the original stars from the print:

No trickery here, this is 100% 35mm, and just from the one source. I have about 3 hours of screen capture that I took while working on it which I am editing down to something more watchable and which will reveal how it was done… Stay tuned…

Wow! Fantastic! If you can get the flyover color corrected a bit I would definitely prefer you use that version over mine! I will still send you the link, but seriously well done!

Well, Color Correction isn’t really one of my strengths. However, I ran the frame through Dre’s Color Balance (Beta) program and this is what it created - Better? Looks less red, but too yellow to me, at least in the browser.

Perhaps this is a better idea: Here is the whole frame (without any color correction - well, levels have been adjusted obviously, and perhaps too much):

If you can color correct it, in Photoshop or whatever, I can then use Dre’s Color match tool to build a LUT and apply the correction to the rest of the shot. If that doesn’t work, then I’ll just have to upload the whole thing for you and maybe you can correct it?

For sure! I’ll give it a go when I can.

EDIT: I like the idea of attempting to color match to 77 though if that would work.

Williarob said:

I also have a new version of the '81 Crawl. I spent a few days working with the 35mm version and even managed to bring back the original stars from the print:

No trickery here, this is 100% 35mm, and just from the one source. I have about 3 hours of screen capture that I took while working on it which I am editing down to something more watchable and which will reveal how it was done… Stay tuned…

Wow! Fantastic! If you can get the flyover color corrected a bit I would definitely prefer you use that version over mine! I will still send you the link, but seriously well done!

Hey guys. I apologize, I was going to upload the crawl to send to williarob yesterday when I got home from vacation, but I ended up getting home extremely late (long drive) and was just to tired to worry about it. But thankfully I have today off work, so I’m uploading to drive right now. Should be a couple hours, then I’ll shoot the link over to Williarob. It looks pretty good to my eyes, but if there ends up being any further issues, I am of course willing to fix them.

Guys it’s not like he wrote the damn movie. Sometimes when you work as a creative, you end up doing some projects that aren’t exactly Oscar worthy. The guy needs to make money somehow.

I use macs just because I do a lot of freelance video and graphic design work and most places I go to work will be working off Mac systems.

towne32 said:

Sounds good. I don’t think anyone is in a hurry.

When you say the “bottom” of the 97 crawl, do you just mean the last few frames (and/or when it’s farthest away?) I’m pretty sure you could see most of the “Star Wars” text and not just the bottom of it - just want to make sure we’re talking about the same thing. Or maybe I’m mistaken and it was just the bottom of the letters.

The only thing I could find resembling what you were talking about was a few frames of the bottom part of the logo sticking through the mask. There may have been one frame where the whole thing was exposed, but I can’t remember exactly. Either way, it’s been fixed. If it’s something else, I may end up needing you to post a screenshot or something.

As for the grain, I think even adding a bit more artificial grain to the image could do the trick. It shouldn’t be jarring given how much is on the next shot. But I’m curious to see what you’ve come up with!

This is ultimately what I ended up doing. The artificial grain doesn’t match perfectly, but it’s close enough that I don’t think anyone will complain.

I’m trying to upload but it’s going extremely slow. The Internet connection here kind of sucks so I may just wait until I get back home Thursday to upload.

towne32 said:

Darth Lucas said:

I’m not sure what you mean by the re-appearing Star Wars logo. I’ve looked through it and the logo fades out and then I can’t see any trace of it after that. What exactly are you referring to? Maybe it was an issue with the encoding?

At about 42 seconds in, just as the the first pixels of “A New Hope” begin to appear, the Star Wars logo returns (just as those starts in the center of the screen are awkwardly fading out - if you’re fixing those then I guess the logo will be fixed in the process).

Ok I figured out what you were talking about. Oddly it was still there even after fixing the stars. I ended up clicking through all the layers one by one to figure out where it was coming from. I figured out it was from the 97 crawl. The mask I used to remove the 97 SW logo was off for about two frames before ANH comes into view, so what you were seeing was the very bottom of the SW logo peeking through the mask. I fixed the mask and you can’t see it anymore.

I also believe I came up with a solution to the static grain. It looks good in the After Effects preview, but I’ll see how it looks when it’s all rendered out.

I’m on vacation with my family right now, so I apologize if it takes a bit longer than it normally would.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Tyrphanax said:

In my personal canon, Palpatine’s first name isn’t the “Empirically Bad™” Sheev.

It’s a bad name even as Star Wars names go.

It’sy he ever referred to as Sheev in the movies? Or is that from the EU?

It’s from the new canon eu. From the novel Tarkin.

towne32 said:

Darth Lucas said:

I’m not sure what you mean by the re-appearing Star Wars logo. I’ve looked through it and the logo fades out and then I can’t see any trace of it after that. What exactly are you referring to? Maybe it was an issue with the encoding?

At about 42 seconds in, just as the the first pixels of “A New Hope” begin to appear, the Star Wars logo returns (just as those starts in the center of the screen are awkwardly fading out - if you’re fixing those then I guess the logo will be fixed in the process).

Ok I’ll double check what’s causing that on my end.

Stinky-Dinkins said:

Darth Lucas said:

Stinky-Dinkins said:

Darth Lucas said:

I need a PC rebuild very soon for all this stuff we have in store, so hopefully when ready I can get the same support Harmy did.

I’m in, for absolute friggin’ sure.

No I didn’t say that.

I KNOW THE QUOTES GOT MIXED UP IT WAS MEANT FOR DARK JEDI PERSONALLY I BLAME THE ALCOHOL.

OK THATS ALL GOOD JUST PLEASE STOP SHOUTING AT ME.

But, because you are at least being polite and not demanding, search for either Harmy’s Respecialized Efition, or Team Blu’s 97 special edition. Neither of them have done the whole trilogy yet, but that’s about the best quality you could want of ANH.

You know, sometimes lurking on the forums and searching through them for a couple days before posting can be a good idea.

Stinky-Dinkins said:

Darth Lucas said:

I need a PC rebuild very soon for all this stuff we have in store, so hopefully when ready I can get the same support Harmy did.

I’m in, for absolute friggin’ sure.

No I didn’t say that.

towne32 said:

Can’t speak for Rob of course, but I would say not to worry about rushing it. If there are more errors to be spotted, then hopefully we can catch them.

Are you going to try to do anything about the static grain on Tatooine? I think it looks a lot better than some of the very early attempts, but I think a few people did notice it even in the last release. Anyway, the only problem that I thought was pretty big last time was the reappearing Star Wars logo. Presumably happened in the process of looping the starfield?

Unfortunately I can’t think of much more that I can do. i added more grain on top of it, but it still only makes it less noticeable. The static grain is still there under it.

I’m not sure what you mean by the re-appearing Star Wars logo. I’ve looked through it and the logo fades out and then I can’t see any trace of it after that. What exactly are you referring to? Maybe it was an issue with the encoding?

I fixed the issue with the stars on the 81 crawl, but as I was fixing it I noticed two more small issues. I have some appointments I need to get to today, but when I get back I’ll fix those issues and should get the file to Williarob later today

I’m sure Team Blu will probably have the 5.1 in their version, as their goal (to my understanding) is more about having the best presentation of the original version on blu ray, rather than trying to accurately present exactly what was seen and heard on 35mm film in theaters.

yoda-sama said:

nightstalkerpoet said:

Yeah it’s great everyone has equality and can work and succeed (i think whomever is better suited to be financially successful should be the breadwinner, gender regardless) but… The generations that decided “we’re BOTH going to get the career we want AND have kids” are the ones teaching kids that its possible to have your cake and eat it too.

Well, I know my wife and I are doing at least our part to improve the next generation, as she is staying home now while I work, it isn’t easy, but it is the right way to do it (shame she wasn’t earning more than me…).

DominicCobb said:

We’re way off topic.

And yes, we’re way off topic, but there kind of has to be some sort of news about Legacy for there to even be a topic…

Dek Rollins said:

nightstalkerpoet said:

Sidenote: Has anyone on here put together an '81 crawl with '77 starfield?

Isn’t that what the SE crawl is?

But, I will ask, IS the SE crawl the '81 text on a '77 starfield? Kind of a best of both worlds, if so… That ESB starfield really sticks out (though not as much as the '81 scroll, of course).

Yes, the SE is the 81 crawl against the 77 background.

The 81 starfield only sticks out to people like us who have over analyzed the starfields like crazy. To the average viewer, the starfield would only stand out if the size and distribution of the stars is radically different, and the evidence points to them going to great lengths to make the stars appear less congested and slightly bigger than they appeared in Empire so as to better match the look of SW.

You have to figure the original starfield had probably been scrapped after the SW shoot had wrapped. So the Empire starfield is probably all they had at the time. And I don’t think they ever anticipated the intense scrutinizing that is possible today, but not so in the 80s.