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#413593
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Editdroid's SW 1977 DVD (Mysterious 720p Anamorphic LD Preservation?) (Released)
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Moth3r said:



zombie84 said:

Okay, so I think I have this figured out. It IS the GOUT.


Can I suggest then that you edit your first post to remove the misinformation (or "bobbins", as DE put it) from your friend about it being a LD capture in 720p, etc.


I think zombie84 said that that the three bold-titled paragraphs in the OP (Picture, Sound (5.1) and Sound (Mono)) were all taken from the technical description on the disc, so it is at least properly sourced bobbins ;)

DE

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#413554
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Editdroid's SW 1977 DVD (Mysterious 720p Anamorphic LD Preservation?) (Released)
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Aside from OT.com's rule on discussing custom DVDs, I can't see why the Editdroid team would lie about the source of this capture.


Then I'd say it has nothing to do with Editdroid - someone somewhere wanted some kudos without the hard work, I guess. Fail ;)

Aside from OT.com's rule on discussing custom DVDs,


"Discussion about distribution ... of custom DVDs is not permitted on the forum."

I think we're okay :)

DE

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#413477
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Editdroid's SW 1977 DVD (Mysterious 720p Anamorphic LD Preservation?) (Released)
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Darth Editious: You misunderstand me--the technical description with bold titles in the first post is taken from the DVD itself. It is onscreen text when you go to "extras".


Ah, I see! Then this is getting curiouser and curiouser... I still can't shake the feeling that the accompanying text, particularly that about the video processing, was cobbled together from random sources by someone who didn't really know what it all meant.

Has anyone done a comparison of the cropping/geometry on this DVD and one of the captures that we know is sourced from the 1993 discs?

DE

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#413432
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Editdroid's SW 1977 DVD (Mysterious 720p Anamorphic LD Preservation?) (Released)
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Darth Editious: Why would the floating probe droid indicate it's the 1997 SE mix. He says he used the 2004 mix, which has the droid.


Oops, good point!

Also he said 120,000+ frames, the + being key.


But who said? We're not getting this from the source, but from a friend of a friend (possibly raised to another power or two).

Is there a particular reason why you can't uprez it first before you start manipulating it?


There's no reason you can't. There's also no reason you should. I just think it sounds like someone is getting their wires crossed here as regards to the process and details like the number of frames.

Anyone processing a movie by running individual frames through Photoshop is doing it in the insanely hard way.

Also, I have to ask, what's with the disclaimer?

*A note about images: These are not 100% faithful to the clarity and sharpness of the actual product, however they represent a decent point of illustration.*


Why aren't they 100% faithful? Aren't they screenshots taken from the DVD?

DE

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#413431
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Ithilgore said:

So would that mean that his lines would be easy to remove and replace with the original voice?


Yes, and I'll be shocked (shocked, I tell you!) if Adywan doesn't do so ;) There's not a lot of background noise in those scenes - I just pasted in a new section of center channel. The bleed into the left and right (on Vader's lines) is so slight that it really doesn't need replicating.

DE

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#413297
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Editdroid's SW 1977 DVD (Mysterious 720p Anamorphic LD Preservation?) (Released)
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One thing I did notice that kind of bugged me is that in the scene where the stormtroopers are knocking on the doors in Mos Eisely the sound of the floating patrol droid is still heard in the background.


So it's the 1997 SE LD audio.

I have to wonder, reading the OP's description, whether there isn't a bit of Chinese whispers going on. For one thing, ANH has more than 120,000 frames (that's only 83 minutes), and for another, anyone running what I assume was a batch operation with Photoshop is not a video expert.

The DVD video was created using the 1993 non-anamorphic LaserDisc version upscaled to 720p to extract a 16:9 standard definition element.


That's just bobbins.

To achieve this, the 4:3 master was rendered out frame by frame and into Photoshop where it was cropped to 16:9 and blown up to 720p. From there, the contrast of the low spatial frequencies (i.e., fine detail) was increased by 75%


Isn't fine detail the high spatial frequencies? Also, you would do this before any resizing. I certainly can't think of a good reason to scale up to 720p before scaling to anamorphic video size. And as said before, you certainly wouldn't do it by saving out every frame and running them through Photoshop.

This all sounds like someone with a small, but dangerously non-zero, amount of video knowledge has taken some wild stabs in the dark as to how this might have been achieved...

DE

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#413268
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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If you're working with the 5.1 mix, the vocals are mainly in the center channel, but (IIRC) there is usually a bit of leakage to the left and right channels.

One exception to this (at least) are Temuera Morrison's inserted lines in ESB - they are solely in the center channel, unlike Vader's lines in the same scenes.

DE

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#412955
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Nicholas J. Michalak said:

a friend of mine does have software that can stablize footage.

-NJM


There's the Deshaker filter (free) for VirtualDub (also free) that can do this.

The shake in ANH (I assume we're talking about the shots of Han and Luke when the TIEs buzz the Falcon) was artifical, and is just a horizontal displacement of the image, so doesn't require anything that complex to remove it. I went the opposite way to Ady and added some rotation and blur to make the shake look more realistic.

Back on topic...

DE

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#406894
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***The &quot;Darth Editous&quot; Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially &quot;de-specialed&quot; DVD
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Chewtobacca said:


Now, that's optimism!  :-D  On the hand, it might have DNR and EE all over it like the LOTR blu-rays. 

I'm sad we won't see a new DVD of this, but I understand your reasons.


I have every confidence that the Blu-Ray release of the original trilogy will be better than the DVD.

Make of that what you will...

DE

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#406892
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***The &quot;Darth Editous&quot; Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially &quot;de-specialed&quot; DVD
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adywan said:

It won't let me view it DE. It says the video is private


Doh - try again.

^Ditto. And why "since nothing else will be happening for a (h)while"? :(


Because with all the extra stuff I've found to do, and all the old stuff I want to do better, I've decided I may as well wait for the inevitable Blu-Ray cash-in, sorry, release. Who knows, it may even be coloured better.

DE

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#406851
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***The &quot;Darth Editous&quot; Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially &quot;de-specialed&quot; DVD
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I figured you may as well see a higher resolution version of the 3D matte shot, since nothing else will be happening for a (h)while.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_srQf_HpB0 (don't forget to change res to 480)

I didn't get as far as putting in the hovering bird or the smoke from the chimney.

DE

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#406477
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Ask yourself the question: If you were an Admiral where would you place your ships - Executor and 6 ISDs - if you know where the Rebel base is located?
I would position all those ISDs apart from each other leaving a corridor of destruction for all Rebel ships that will try to escape from Hoth.


Yeah, all well and good, but the real question is: what looks freakin' awesome in a movie?

DE

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#406429
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Idea &amp; Info Wanted: GOUT improved versions?
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They should have the same framing, but they don't.


Left/right cropping differences can be explained by the vagaries of analogue video capture (by which I mean the laserdisc rips being used for comparison).

The picture would have been vertically cropped in some way before encoding to DVD, if only to make the bars truly black, as opposed to slightly fuzzy dark grey. At this point it's anyone's guess why they cropped to 326 pixels - although 326 is the closest aspect ratio to 2.35:1 for PAL (though by this logic the NTSC GOUT should be 272 pixels, not 274).

Or maybe there were technical or other reasons why they made each of the GOUT the same/similar height(s).

DE