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- Violence VS. Non-Violence ~~~ Debate
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Originally posted by: Jagdlieter
Not to disagree, but the definitions of 1nd 2nd degree murders don't include a line between heartless killing and justified killing. You can still go to jail for killing someone that "deserved it". It's all perspective.
I'm not saying killing for revenge is acceptable. I'm saying that killing in SELF DEFENSE is.
Which is why we NEED to go to war against monsters like those people who run most of the middle east. They certainly don't love mankind!
Baha'u'llah (current leader of the Bahai faith)
Not to disagree, but the definitions of 1nd 2nd degree murders don't include a line between heartless killing and justified killing. You can still go to jail for killing someone that "deserved it". It's all perspective.
I'm not saying killing for revenge is acceptable. I'm saying that killing in SELF DEFENSE is.
Originally posted by: Jagdlieter
Personally, I don't think killing in war is justified because unless your drafted (and have no choice but to defend yourself), you choose to go to war and you choose to kill someone. Someone that you do not even know and may be there because THEY were drafted (*ahem* what I said above) and must defend themself from you! Which brings me to this;
Well if you go to war because you WANT to kill then you have some issues. Most people, however, go to war because they want to DEFEND INNOCENT PEOPLE. You know, like those people killed on 9/11. You're acting like all soldiers who join the military are bloodthirsty savages! THINK before you speak, man!
Yes. How does that remotely even vindicate the idea that there are no justifiable wars? Just because occiasionally people realize that "hey, we shouldn't fight, we should work this out peacefully" doesn't mean that all rogue nations are going to follow suit. It's interesting that you are this naive.
You see, I just got done reading Lord of the Flies, a book which makes the point that human beings are prone to selfisness and fear, and these emotions can make us violent, that evil is part of human nature. I thought it was ridiculous, and asked myself several times "why write a book about something everyone already knows."
Now I see that obviously not everyone understands. You really ought to pick up a copy. Lord of the Flies by Golding.
"Let not a man glory in this, that he loves his country;
let him rather glory in this, that he loves his kind."
Personally, I don't think killing in war is justified because unless your drafted (and have no choice but to defend yourself), you choose to go to war and you choose to kill someone. Someone that you do not even know and may be there because THEY were drafted (*ahem* what I said above) and must defend themself from you! Which brings me to this;
Well if you go to war because you WANT to kill then you have some issues. Most people, however, go to war because they want to DEFEND INNOCENT PEOPLE. You know, like those people killed on 9/11. You're acting like all soldiers who join the military are bloodthirsty savages! THINK before you speak, man!
Not all enemy soldiers "deserve it".
It's not about 'deserving it' or not, though. When two nations are at war, the soliders kill each other. Not because they believe each other to be evil. Heck, in WW1, soldiers from opposing sides spent Christmas with each other before going back to fighting. It's about duty, not bloodlust.
They're just trying to do the same thing you are, fight for their country. And if both sides were to decide that violence wasn't necessary (it's been done before!),
It's not about 'deserving it' or not, though. When two nations are at war, the soliders kill each other. Not because they believe each other to be evil. Heck, in WW1, soldiers from opposing sides spent Christmas with each other before going back to fighting. It's about duty, not bloodlust.
They're just trying to do the same thing you are, fight for their country. And if both sides were to decide that violence wasn't necessary (it's been done before!),
Yes. How does that remotely even vindicate the idea that there are no justifiable wars? Just because occiasionally people realize that "hey, we shouldn't fight, we should work this out peacefully" doesn't mean that all rogue nations are going to follow suit. It's interesting that you are this naive.
You see, I just got done reading Lord of the Flies, a book which makes the point that human beings are prone to selfisness and fear, and these emotions can make us violent, that evil is part of human nature. I thought it was ridiculous, and asked myself several times "why write a book about something everyone already knows."
Now I see that obviously not everyone understands. You really ought to pick up a copy. Lord of the Flies by Golding.
"Let not a man glory in this, that he loves his country;
let him rather glory in this, that he loves his kind."
Which is why we NEED to go to war against monsters like those people who run most of the middle east. They certainly don't love mankind!
Baha'u'llah (current leader of the Bahai faith)
Never heard of him. And what the fork is the Bahai faith?
