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#199398
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Violence VS. Non-Violence ~~~ Debate
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Ric, I didn't mean to insult your intelligence, if that is what it sounded like I was doing. Of course you have the right to your opinions. I simply don't understand how this can click in your mind. Sure, if every side stopped the violence, there would be none. But as it is, the only thing violent people understand is incarceration of death. You can't reason with hatred, Ric. You just can't.
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#199349
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The Things We Hate And Love Thread .
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/199349/action/topic#199349
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R2-D2 was refferenced as Artoo's serial number (or something like that) in TMP. We know from the Death Star countdown sequence that the GFFA uses arabic numerals, so aparently they've had some sort of contact with an Earth-esque culture. Perhaps Roman letters are to them what Greek letters are to us--archaic symbols no longer in use except for droid clasification.
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#199347
Topic
Violence VS. Non-Violence ~~~ Debate
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/199347/action/topic#199347
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[quote]So WHY keep doing it if it's impossible to win anyway? Just so we can keep the nails "not too long"?[/quote]

YES! If we cut the 'nails' before they can get 'too long' we save the world MORE violence and grief.

Ric, listen to yourself. How can you possibly, logically believe your own arguments. You can't possibly think pure, blind pacificsm would work against people who HATE YOU, and WANT YOU BEHEADED, and want to see the streets of our cities run with the blood of our children, who DESPISE freedom in any form...

My brain cannot understand how you can possibly even begin to believe that pacifism will work against such a foe. You're acting like a mindless brainwashed idiot, Ric. You're supposed to be smarter than that!
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#199206
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Comics Fans
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/199206/action/topic#199206
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Originally posted by: JediSage
I've always felt that Miller just knew how Bats spoke and would act, and his interpretation has always been definitive for me.


This is no longer true, though! Do not under any circumstances, Red Baron, read All Star Batman. It might as well be Marv from Sin City under that cowl.

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#199204
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V for Vendetta
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/199204/action/topic#199204
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On another note, I found the graphic novel in Books A Million yesterday and flipped through it some. Much of what I saw corresponded well with the film. One thing I thought was really weird is that it was set in 1997, whereas the film is set sometime after 2015 (which is when Valerie said 'America's War' began in the film)

I thought it was rather odd that Moore would set such a crazy hypotehtical dictatorship only 8 years into his own future.
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#199203
Topic
Violence VS. Non-Violence ~~~ Debate
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/199203/action/topic#199203
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Which is why the Civil Rights Movement is a wonderful exception. Not all change can be enacted through violence.

On the other hand, if the government of the United States had been corrupt as say the government portrayed in "V for Vendetta" then the peaceful protest could have deteriorated into a mass genoicde. Neither side (the Federal Government or the Activitists) wanted bloodshed in that sitution and a peaceful solution was reached.

The problem is, as said before, sometimes violence is often only option because the enemy DOESN'T want a peaceful solution.
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#199009
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Violence VS. Non-Violence ~~~ Debate
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/199009/action/topic#199009
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Originally posted by: ricarleite

Read my response to Warbler above. I am not talking about democracy, I am asking why are WE right and THEY are wrong.

Oh, dear lord, Ric, please drop the relativist bullcrap. We are right because we believe in the rights of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness for everyone, even those who *peacefully* disagree with us. They are wrong because they riot and kill people over some friggin polticial cartoons, they treat their women like property and slaves, they send their children to blow up civilians in the name of some distant nameless Divinity who supposedly will give them virgins and wine throughout eternity if they kill the infidels! If that isn't evil, what is, Ric?


[Not to everything literally. What I am asking is, if violence has never stoped more violence, what makes you belive that it will eventually work? If there's no point and violence will continue, why make more of it?


Didn't D-Day stop WW2 in Europe? Didn't the atom bombs stop it in Japan? What are you saying, Ric? You're really starting to scare me, because it sounds like you're suggesting that we should sit back and allow tyrants and terrorists to have their way with us in the name of peace. You CAN'T really believe that, can you?

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#199007
Topic
V for Vendetta
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/199007/action/topic#199007
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From what I've read on the internet (as I've been unable to track down the orignal story by Moore), pretty much everyone in England who wasn't a white member of the [obviously very corrupt in the film] Church of England is persecuted, which the movie represented fairly well.

You'd think a movie like this--showing how bad things could be--would shut the whiny 'gay agenda' crowd up, you know. Anyway. Portman and Weaving were great, and the overall message--that tyranny is only possible the citizens allow it, was good. And watching parlaiment explode was strangely satisfying.

I do have a question: the government reports in the film keep insisting that America is mostly destroyed... but isn't it possible that this is propaganda? America's gift the anchor mentioned at the beginning--what if it was really a gift of pity instead of 'in exchange for medical supplies'? Just food for thought.
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#198979
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'Star Wars Kid' cuts a deal with his tormentors
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/198979/action/topic#198979
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Originally posted by: Warbler
But that doesn't mean he deserved the terrible treatment he got from his pears.


Peers, Warbler.

But I do agree--it doesn't matter how much he is to blame for the existence and distribution of the tape, if he was really treated as horribly as this article implies, there is no excuse.

Though it is also possible that he overreacted. Of course, I can't say for sure, since I don't know him and wasn't there, but as RedBaron said, from what I've seen, the popularity of the original video is more a celebration of geekiness than mean spirited jeering.

It was even refferenced in a season 5 episode of "Teen Titans"!!
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#198975
Topic
Violence VS. Non-Violence ~~~ Debate
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/198975/action/topic#198975
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Originally posted by: ricarleite


So please do explain why "democracy" is the one with justifiable means to resort to violence.
What? Democracy, or more accurately, representative government constrained by Constitutional Law, has proven time and time again to be the most fair and least abusable form of government. It is the form of government the US (and Brazil, I might remind you, Ric) have right now, and it is the kind of government that Islamofacism (and all other types of facism) cannot stand.


Originally posted by: ricarleite
Also, if we have been killing each other since the biblical times, and we keep doing it now, what makes you think a war will solve everything now?


What are you talking about? Who said war is the solution to 'everything'?
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#198865
Topic
Violence VS. Non-Violence ~~~ Debate
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/198865/action/topic#198865
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Well, it is because human nature is central to this debate. If it were POSSIBLE, what you're saying would of course be the best way to go. But all throughout history, from Cain and Able to the brewing civil war in Iraq, there has always been a portion of the world that refuses to rise above the urges to do harm to others. Pacifism only works, as Sage and YodaIYF have been saying, if both sides agree to it, and that CERTAINLY isn't going to happen in this war. Islamofacism and democracy cannot coexist peacably in the same world, end of story.