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Darth Chaltab

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#266917
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Video Games - a general discussion thread
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Same place you are, Gaff. I got the Blade of Evil's Bane last night, but I'd been playing for five hours, so I shut it off. And I haven't been able to play all day due to glare on the screen while the sun is sup, now because my brother has his girlfriend out and they're supposedly gonna be watching the Colts game.

You guys are weird, though; I thought the statue puzzle was fine. Not genius, but no worse than the puzzle before the Master Sword in Wind Waker.
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#266876
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Video Games - a general discussion thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/266876/action/topic#266876
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True, and, THAT makes perfect sense in a split timeline.

Originally posted by: C3PX

When is Windwaker and Twilight Princess suppose to take place?


Wind Waker takes place hundreds of years after Ocarina of Time, and is essentially a direct sequel thematically.

Before Twilight Princess was released, the developers said that it takes place decades after Ocarina of Time, but before Wind Waker. This may have changed in the interim; what I've seen of the TP overworld so far, it's clear that the world of TP is more than a few decades farther along than Ocarina was. Hyrule Castle is much larger, the Castle Town has a larger population, and the valley where Kakariko rests has been made wider. Gaffer and Nanner can probably be more helpful on this, since I don't know if the end of the game has any bearing on the placement in the timeline.
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#266838
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Video Games - a general discussion thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/266838/action/topic#266838
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
I just watched this Retrospective on YouTube, and they spend the last part trying to come up with a timeline for Zelda, including explaining why Minish Cap is first. Could this be the basis for your theory, Chaltab?

No, I've thought TMC was the earliest since I played it. It's a fairly popular placement at Zelda Legends, or at least it was until someone decided that the similarities in graphic design were a totally valid way of determining the timeline.

But I did think of another reason why Link's Awakening should be after A Link to the Past. The game takes place as a dream of Link, and a lot of the activity is based off of his memories. He faces a lot of enemies and bosses first seen in A Link to the Past including, most importantly of all, Shadow Agahnim, whose real counterpart only appears in A Link to the Past. One could argue this is a prophetic type of dream, but it makes more sense to me that it would be revived in his nightmares.


True. Prophetic type dream is indeed my reasoning. (Not that anything in LA really makes much sense.)

Honestly, the best argument against my timeline is the Triforce. In Oracle it starts out in a shrine or castle, but in ALTTP it's in the Pyramid of Power. For mine to work, I have to assume that while Link was gone saving the other nations, The Triforce somehow entered the Dark World and was found by Ganon.
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#266827
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Video Games - a general discussion thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/266827/action/topic#266827
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Originally posted by: C3PX

Chaltab, which one would you suggest, seasons or ages? Or which one is suppose to take place first chronologically? This is why I never bought them before, because there where two and I never knew which to get. If there would have been only one of them to start with, I think I would have bought it long ago. The two games at once reminded me to much of the Pokemon thing.

Well, they're both excellent games. Ages is more puzzle heavy and is more difficult throughout most of the game. Seasons focuses more on combat and is a bit easier until the final boss. Chronologically, they literally happen in whatever order you play them in; once you beat one of them, you get a password that allows you to continue the story to the next game, including taking some items with you and getting to face the True Final Boss. (For this reason, Zelda timeline speculators tend to group them together as OOX.)

And, sorry, Chaltab, maybe he didn't know Zelda already. It's been five and a half years since I've played them (I need to play them again), so I forgot. But I have one more question for you. I've never played Minish Cap before, so what puts it as the very first Zelda chronologically? I'm just curious.


The game tells the origins of Vaati from the Four Sword games; nobody seems to have heard of the Triforce or the Master Sword. The game revolves around forging your White Sword into the Four Sword. There is no Death Mountain, and the Gorons in the game say they used to live in the only mountain in the game, Mt. Crenel, which is in the North West, whereas Death Mountain is usually in the North East (Even in Twilight Princess it's in the East in the GC version). Also, there is only one Hero of Legend, the 'Hero of Men', who doesn't wear cap; the finale of the game has Ezlo (formerly your hat, now humanoid again) passing his cap on to you, as if this Link is the first to wear the green cap.
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#266779
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The spoiler thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/266779/action/topic#266779
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LEIA IS YOUR TWIN SISTER
ZELDA IS SHEIK
YOU ARE DARTH REVAN
THE MULTIVERSE STILL EXISTS
KREIA WANTS TO KILL THE FORCE
THE GREAT SEA COVERS HYRULE
B4 HUMS BLUE SKIES
NOBODY CARES ABOUT ROSEBUD
MR. ROGERS WINS; FATALITY
BOOSTER GOLD IS SUPERNOVA
VESPER HAS AN ULTERIOR MOTIVE
THE MURDERER IS JEAN LORING
SNAPE KILLS SEPHIROTH

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#266776
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The spoiler thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/266776/action/topic#266776
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Originally posted by: C3PX<


THEY WERE ALL LIVING IN MODERN TIMES BUT IN A WILD LIFE PRESERVE TO ESCAPE FROM SOCIETY

Oh and

"WANDER DIES AND IS REBORN FUSED WITH THE DORMIN"

What the hell? I don't watch near enough TV.


The former is the M. Night Shamalan film The Village.

The latter is a refference to Shadow of the Collossus, a Playstation 2 video game in which the main protagonist, who the game never names but I call Bill, is fused with an ancient evil entity an turns into baby Bill at the end. It doesn't really make much sense to me either.
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#266775
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Video Games - a general discussion thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/266775/action/topic#266775
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
I'm going to have to disagree with that timeline. When has there ever been any indication that Link's Awakening was before A Link to the Past? I've always thought of LA as a sequel. The instruction manual even says so.

True, but remember there were only three prior Zelda games at the time. They obviously couldn't say it was the sequel to a game that would come out seven years later. The fact that the Oracle games end with link setting off on a raft like the one that he shipped-wrecked on Koholint with implies that the storywriter was retconning the Oracle games as prequels to LA.

Link is already familiar with Zelda and Impa, so that connection keeps it from being before A Link to the Past.

No, Link starts out the Oracles unfamiliar with either Impa or Zelda. But Zelda in "A Link to the Past" knows who Link is when he arrives at her prison cell.

And also, Impa was never a part of that Link's timeline. She never appeared in A Link to the Past. So I'm just not sure how that works.


Well, Oracle Impa was morbidly obese, maybe she died of a heart attack in the intervening time. No, seriously, abscence of evidence isn't evidence that she was absent from the timeline.

And what about the beginning of A Link to the Past? I thought he lived with his uncle as a normal youth before that. Or was he just crashing at his nearest relative's house upon coming into town? ^_~


Yeah, it was his uncle. I don't see how that contradicts what we see in Oracle, though. We don't learn anything of Link's origin in that game.
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#266769
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Video Games - a general discussion thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/266769/action/topic#266769
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Originally posted by: C3PX

Concerning the two oracle games, the fact that two very simular Zelda games with very simular names came out at the exact same time indicates that it was a quick money job to capitalize on the Zelda name.

Except that they were freaking awesome. Seriously, from a pure gameplay standpoint, I'd rate Oracle of Ages the best in the series.

I also haven't played Minish Cap or Four Swords Adventures.


Minish Cap is really very good, but not as good as it should have been. It has a good story and some good dungeons, but it's also on the short side. FSA is sort of a dark horse, since it's designed around multiplayer; it's not a bad game, but it's limited in many ways.

I believe they're great from a design standpoint as well, but its overall story always bugged me. Just where exactly is it supposed to fit into the overall Zelda timeline


Well, there are multiple forums dedicated to debating that. I personally believe they have the same Link from ALTTP and LA, happening prior to either game. He defeats the villains in Holodrum and Labrynna, stops Ganon's revival, gets shipwrecked on the way home and has to wake the Wind Fish, then returns to Hyrule in time for Aghanim to begin his take-over.

TMC/OOT-MM/TP/TWW-TPH/FS-FSA/Oracle of Ages/Seasons - Link's Awakening - A Link to the Past/LOZ-AOL