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#284671
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Most Liberal and Conservative movies
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Originally posted by: InfoDroid
Movies are Rorschachs, as all (good) art is a mirror.

I see 300 as an all-too-obvious propaganda film geared toward glorifying democracy, de-Humanizing and demonizing Middle Easterners in general, and drumming up volunteer military enlistment.

Tell that to Frank Miller, genius. The film was just a translation of the comic; there was no social commentary, it was just a brainless good vs evil film.

I see the 3 X-Men films as an allegory on how Homosexuals are treated in America.

Because homosexuals have special powers!

I see Crash as a beautifully crafted comment on our racist nature.

Not seen Crash, but the only 'racist nature' in modern America is the one manufactured by the media. By and large most Americans I know don't give a flying flip about your skin color.

I see Superman Returns as a re-telling of the Christ myth.


What 'Christ myth'? You mean the myth that he had a child with Mary Magdelene? You're reading way too much into that.

So was Chronicles of Narnia to a degree.


Chronicles of Narnia is well-known allegory to the death and ressurection of Christ. So I'm not sure what you mean by 'to a degree'..

I see Kingdom of Heaven as a vehicle to stir up more vitriolic hatred between Christians and Muslims.

I think The Green Mile had a decidedly liberal intent. As did Born On the Fourth of July and Babel.


Can't comment on those, know nothing about them.

And "E.T." was undoubtedly intended as an apologist glorification of the illegal immigration issue... We just didn't know it 'til now.


Bwahahahaahha!
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#283945
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Celebrate Global Warming
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Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
Global Warming brought Civilization out of the Dark Ages and into the Renissance. I'm serious. The dark ages where cold and dank, and a global warming phenomenon brought the world into a warmer era that made people become more ambitious about the arts and recording history.

And if the Republicans caused Global Warming, then the Republicans caused the Renissance!


I love this thread.
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#283944
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Virginia Tech shooting
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Originally posted by: InfoDroid
I wrote this originally for a thread at FE.com, but I figure I'll post it here too to add to the discussion:

I hate seeing things like this happen. I'm really sickened this past week by the media, who in their traditional style, are once again focusing everyone's attention on all the wrong issues in this case. The portrait they've painted of Seung-Hui Cho is that of a deranged, apathetic monster.

They focus on the fact that he's an immigrant.

They focus on the fact that he was "weird", he didn't act the same way that all the other "normal" (White) kids.

They focus on the gun-control issue.

They focus on violent video games.

They hypothesize that he was on drugs at the time of the shooting.

They call him a crazed psycho.

I'm still waiting for them to blame Marilyn Manson music.

But none of them have tuned in to the real reason behind this seemingly senseless act of violence.

They don't want to talk about the fact that all the "normal" kids had made his life a Living Hell day in and day out all throughout his childhood and young adult life.

They only mention in passing how in elementary school his teacher made him read in front of the class and as he began struggling through the words of a language that was foreign to him at the time, the other kids busted out laughing and mercilessly mocked him, saying "Go back to China!" Nevermind the fact that he was Korean.

They mention his "crazed, incoherent monologue" heard in his videos and written in his letters, but they gain no insight into his reasons for the attacks. They don't want to listen to his stories about how the "rich kids", with their cars and and new clothes and gold chains, still felt the need to boost their own ego by beating up, tormenting, spitting on a defenseless Asian kid who just wanted to be left alone.

They don't want to talk about the teachers who gave him F's on his violent writings and poetry because creative writing was "not an appropriate outlet" for feelings that dark, instead of encouraging an atmosphere where negative feelings could be vented, or recognizing a call for help when they saw one.

Not allowed to express the rage boiling inside him and with no one around to validate it, what was he to do but swallow it?

So, yeah, I can see why he never talked to anyone, why his roommates described him as a silent, unfriendly loner, having no interest in anyone. If everyone laughed every time you tried to speak, you'd be silent too. And you'd harbor a rage...and over time, gone unexpressed, it would build within you...with every sleight and snub and joke at your expense, not to mention the physical harms inflicted on you...it would quickly harden your heart...and I guess I can sympathize with that in some way.

That's not the way anyone would want their life to turn out. No one wants to be treated that way. Unable to accept or escape from the reality the "normal" kids had created for him, he created his own reality...he ignored them. He refused to acknowledge they existed. For years.

And finally, when that didn't work...and they continued to snicker at him when he didn't answer their questions or look at them in the eye, he adopted a persona which would inspire fear in others and show them once and for all that he was powerful after all and that he could and would enact that power over his enemies. He planned it, and then he carried out his bitter revenge.

Now, let me be clear, the fact that I pity this person does not mean I condone what he did. What he did was surely not the answer to his problems. But I'm saddened by the fact that no one cares to look at this person as a Human Being. They just want to write him off as some mindless monster. What he did was horrible, yes. But Cho was still a person like you and me, a person who at one time had hopes and dreams.

There is a poem by W.H. Auden entitled “September 1st, 1939”. In it, he says “I and the public know what all schoolchildren learn. Those to whom evil is done, do evil in return.”

The media focuses on Cho’s pathology, but won't even acknowledge the same pathology or sadistic acts of the so-called "normal" (Good) kids and how their actions contributed to this.

And I'm not talking about the 32 innocent people who were shot on the campus that day. I'm talking about the murderers of the first casualty of this incident...Cho's own innocence. Who weeps for the boy who died on some nameless recess field long ago? Who weeps for the man he might’ve become or the life he could’ve lived?

On the larger scale, I'm talking about American society as a whole, the responsibility we all share as members of that society. I'm talking about the kids who cruelly torture countless numbers of the defenseless in schools across the country every day. Modern Frankensteins fashioning demons out of children, who will some day, with enough ill-will slung in their direction, grow into devils.

The problem is, people want to see everything as Good vs Evil. And that's fine for the movies but the real world doesn't work like that. We all have within us the equal potential to create good or evil in our lives and in the lives of others. There's way more gray area there than we like to recognize.

We owe it to our society to honor the victims by analyzing the REAL cause of this tragedy, not some political hot-button topic conjured up to win elections. Only then can we work to make absolutely certain that this kind of shameful and wasteful deed is never repeated.

--ID


Millions of kids are picked on and made fun of, but they don't go on shooting sprees. I understand that bullying can screw over a kid's mind and I'm not excusing it. Teachers and school administrators should have put a stop to it; kids who'd shout at him to go back to China need some good old fashioned physical discipline.

But you can't say the bullying and the bitter felings it caused are the only causal factor in Cho's rampage. He was referenced to counseling multiple times and blew it off. He didn't want to be helped.

And I can't really have any sympathy for the guy he became--for the person he was once, perhaps, but not the guy who chained the doors of the building before he started killing people. That's not something you can empathise with. And if his life was really such hell, he could have pulled the trigger on himself alone and saved the rest of the world a lot of pain.
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#283625
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Virginia Tech shooting
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This must be doubly painful for them; not only did they LOSE their son, but they found out he was a psychopath mass murderer. I simply can't imagine what they're going through.

Worse, you know a bunch of inconsiderate morons are probably going to send them threatening emails or bricks through their windows spewing venom at the parents for the actions of their son.
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#283604
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Alec Baldwin's Phone Message to daughter
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I'm no fan of Baldwin or calling little kids pigs, but seriously, this is being blown way out of proportion. This is not something the national news should be focusing on.

I swear, next we're going to get a story that President Bush accidentally sneezed on Nancy Pelosi.

Then a bunch of psychoanalysts are going to come on CNN and say that it's symptomatic of the struggle between men and women in America.
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#283602
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Celebrate Global Warming
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
How about we celebrate the Rapture? Some Liberals think Global Warming is coming and Some Conservatives The Rapture is coming. *Prepares to be told otherwise* I think it is silly how we are at each others throats about it.


Sean, first of all, not all Christians, let alone conservatives in general, believe in the Rapture.

Furthermore, as LordJedi and C3PX said, no Christian claims to know exactly when the Rapture is going to occur, and we don't destroy the careers of people who say it's not going to happen. Global Warming activists--the more extreme of them, at least, claim that they understand the immense complexities of the Earth and can from it predict exactly when the planet will become dangerously warm. They advocate that society en masse bow to their arbitrary and worthless restrictions, which should be enforced by law.

I for one don't even pretend to understand the Book of Revelation or the sequence of events of the Apocalypse. And ultimately, I don't care how it happens, becasue it's not under my control--any more than the temperature of the Earth.

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#283501
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Virginia Tech shooting
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I'd say he was more horny than depressed, since he stalked girls for a while. In my humble opinion the current generation of college kids is scared to engage in sexual relations because of aids and stuff, so I'm not surprised.



Yeah... College students afraid to have sex? That's...

I don't think so. And even suggesting that almost implies that the girl Cho was stalking (or any girl fro that matter) would be doing something wrong or unintelligent by chosing not to have sex. That's a frankly dangerous mentality to even consider. Seriously, though, why should college students be having sex? Unless their married and living together on campus, that's not what college is for. Being horny is no excuse to stalk a girl anyway, and from everything else I've heard, Cho wasn't a pleasant guy to begin with.

I don't mean to harp on this, but you seem to be implying that the tragedy could have been avoided if he'd just been able to find someone to sleep with...

Maybe that's not what you meant to imply, but that's how it came across.


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#283460
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Virginia Tech shooting
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Originally posted by: Number20
Why has this thread become the anti-American rant thread?
I will tell you why it are often people from Europe who rant about America.

The truth is, we look up to America. When we look at America we see some things we would also like to see in Europe. I think a lot of people are (a bit) jealous of America.
So when you're big example does things that you wouldn't expect from it, or you don't want it to do you tend to be more angry than when Russia, or South American countries or China (from whom you know they are more corrupt, don't pay as much attention to international right, human right etc.) does something like that. You expect bad behavior from other countries but not from America.
Our expectations of the biggest western country are much higher than the rest of the world. Yes, everybody is bitching about Guantanamo although they know it is much worse in Chinese or Brazilian prisons. We bitch because the US of A is our example and we expect much much more from you than we do of other countries.


That's the best argument I've ever heard for strong criticism of America. Unfortunately, you're the only person I've ever heard it from. I see people on the internet all the time who operating under the conviction that America is an evil, horrible rat hole.

Originally posted by: WESHALLPRESERVE
I agree. The media coverage of this has been sickening. Around the clock nonsense.
We can all just wait for the next big tragedy to fill the news, like another niche in their belt.


Amen. I hope Anne Coulter calls Don Imus a nappy headed ho or something, to give the media another thing to whine about, becasue I'm sick of hearing about Cho Seung Hui.

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#283427
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Virginia Tech shooting
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Originally posted by: eros
It was me who made the 'american dream shattered' comment, so what is the american dream?

Elect an idiot into the whitehouse, then go around the world bombing countries and stealing their natural resources to make sure the american dream (lie) doesn't turn into a civil war because you have to pay over $5 for a gallon of fuel?


Pfft. Speak for your own rathole. Gas costs less than $3.00 a gallon in America, and usually less than $2.50.
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#283320
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Virginia Tech shooting
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
And sean, you're an idiot.


An idiot for my own beliefs? Help Help i'm being oppressed. The devil is not potrayed as so evil in all cultures.


So what? What do other cultures matter? The devil is, in Christian theology, the prince of evil. Ergo, any Christian saying someone is possessed by the devil (whether said Christian is correct or not is another story), he or she is saying that he is possessed by the prince of evil. NOT the prince of neutrality.

Neutrality doesn't kill 32 people for selfish narcisistic reasons.

But I don't think the guy was possessed by anything. I think he was just a self-righteous jerk. And if the devil had any hand in it, he could only have been moving Cho in the direction he ultimately went.