DarkFather

If it was luke versus Anakin in Episode III luke would still win.  I have no idea how vader won in empire strikes back if you think the anakin of the prequels is in the suit.

I mean starting with Jedi Vader became a pussy.  He also gets owned by Dooku in Episode II when he was anakin and when he is vader in episode III by kenobi. He cuts obi wan down in episode IV only because ben lets him to create a distraction so our heroes can escape.  He even gets owned in the force unleashed by Starkiller.

You're forgetting about the Jedi he was shown slaying in lightsaber combat during Order 66 in ROTS.

Yep. If there's anything in Star Wars that can't be explained by The Force, it can be explained by "a wizard did it." ConfusedMatthew discovered this illuminating truth after years of intense Jedi meditation.

I was a while ago on Boomerang, yes.

Add "Special Edition" to the end of that a few years later.

Daaamn. Mielr de-limbed and left you to burn by the lava, Janskeet. I'd rebuild you and everything, but I'm too busy watching cartoons right now.

He had to be "closer" to Luke's age so the Father/Son dynamic could play out

Whaaaaa?

AxiaEuxine said:

Dear George: Please ignore your fans.

Dear fans: Han Solo is a bus driver

When it comes to the content of the prequels, he did indeed listen to fans. Jar-Jar Binks' role is greatly mitigated to cameos in AOTC and ROTS (which is a positive thing)... while he also listened to the Boba Fett fans and gave the character a prime role in the saga when initially he was a just a cool, but relatively inconsequential bounty hunter. Believe it or not, seeing suited Darth Vader in ROTS is also a pandering to fans, because he's admitted he originally wanted what so many fans around here did: for it to be a surprise in ANH.

Lucas listens at the wrong times, and shirks advice at the wrong times. I think the stories of the prequels would have greatly benefited Lucas NOT caving in to fans... yet when it comes to restoring the originals without the SE changes, he's apathetic. My only hope is that he caves in this one last time to answer the calling of fans like us here at Originaltrilogy. There's so many groups pleading for him to restore the originals, that it's nonsensical to not do so, when he so readily listened to other groups when it came to Jar-Jar/Fett/suited Vader.

I don't consider myself a "purist"... I didn't even exist when the originals were released in theaters... but I became a close friend to the original Star Wars (1977) by watching it repeatedly on an old VHS tape years ago. So I'm an example of someone who isn't an "old, grouchy conservative purist" stereotype fan who does want to see the original restored to great picture quality. Too many fall under the impression that fans who want this are "old, grouchy, conservative purists". Fact is, many demographics have this wish. It isn't some niche group. It's prominant. If only Lucas realized this so there was incentive... money. A lot of people will buy it. It's a win-win situation, which is part of why it sucks so bad that it isn't happening right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTsAFzCCYRo

I hope Lucas includes this in the next release of ROTJ. It runs the other two versions into the ground.

^ That's the first time I've ever heard that. How do you figure exactly?

It could refer to the Sith collectively. They're sticking mainly to the shadows, ("behind-the-scenes" to so speak) like Alfred Hitchcocks, working to bring down the protagonists.

The Phantom Menace is Darth Maul.

Speaking of Wal-Mart: A few years back, my brother and I were browsing the toy aisles for the hell of it, and came across some of those collapsible plastic lightsabers. We had a great time dueling. Luckily we didn't get kicked out of the store.

rcb said:

DarkFather said:

"Silly rabbit, Star Wars is for kids."

Jar-Jar Binks Haters: "Ahh darnit."

 

 that is the scariest thing i've ever seen. i might as well be watching a freak'n horror movie.

Heheh. Worse than Freddy Krueger's burns. :P

They were definitely on the far bounds of PG-13 in the same way The Dark Knight was with Two-Face's graphics burns. That's okay in and of itself, but to have that and meanwhile claim that the Star Wars saga is aimed just at children is really weird. Ah well. I think when PT fans really started spouting that line left and right, they were defending the antics of Jar-Jar Binks and the character's domination of TPM.

You just are not prepared to even consider that I could possibly ever be right about those faces. You've never even considered it.

Of course I considered it. And if I actually offended you during our discussions, don't act like I've never made an effort to be nice to you.

You got offensive with me before I got offensive with you. In fact, you seem to like making unprovoked attacks me on. The ongoing trouble between us was started when you made one such attack that hit me out of the blue. I was shocked and really bothered that somebody was eager to be so malicious. You have continued your bullying of me since then. I don't know who called who narrow-minded first in all the back and forth we've had, but I think there's a very good chance it was you.

Actually, it was you.

No, what I'm saying is that if the Lucas creates a mess the EU can't excuse it.

Well the EU has, is, and will continue to reason and excuse whether you like the idea or not.

The films should work in and of themselves. Something in a film should not require material outside of the film to make it work. And the prequels all too often seem to need outside material to make them work.

I agreed with this. Stop reiterating to compensate for lack of substance.

It worked by itself to me. I never "required" information on the material when it came to Anakin's breathing. Only when running across the EU reasons for Vader's breathing pecularities did I even see that the answer to the "issue" aligned with everything I had assumed from seeing the film, only given more detail. In the film, we see Vader drenched in rage, with his eyes aglow while. Therefore, I drew the connection myself that the dark side played a part in his ability to survive such horrible injuries. There's that, and the fact that I know even from that film alone that his destiny might have been to be the Chosen One. "It was said that you'd bring balance to the Force, not leave it in darkness." The Will of the Force, the dark side, and a destiny all played a role on keeping him alive on Mustafar. And I saw him in the Medical Chamber being rebuilt and suited up. The medical droids obviously had something "up their sleeves" so to speak, to help him breathe without the mask in those moments.

 So it didn't "require" an explanation to me, Vaderisnothayden. The explanations provided are a little something extra, and they work for me personally. You've made it clear it will never work for you.

You're being stupid again. "Picking on" someone is when it's totally unwarranted, which only scumbags do because they lack any self-esteem.

I'm not saying compromise your views for popularity points. I'm saying in the face of reasonable proof of any point you make being wrong, you have to be willing to acknowledge when you are wrong. Such as when TheBoost made a comparison of the faces of whats-his-face and Morrison. They have strikingly similar facial features, and all you could do was say "nu-uh" and claim that you have better facial recognition than most other people. WHAT?!

I'm not popular on these boards, and I don't pretend to be. Nor do I try to be. But at least I have an efficient method by which to go about stating my views, and in some instances, it does draw some people in. I didn't do that by being a jackass and stubbornly ignoring sound proof against my arguments. I lock horns with others sometimes, but I've never been stubbornly arrogant while doing so.

Vaderisnothayden:

I very much believe you enjoy seeing other's reactions to you. You know how to dance precariously on the line of "normal" and "going too far." You're either a lover of the prequels that wants to show how extreme the other side can get, or it's pure entertainment for you. Or some of both.

For instance, I don't believe for a moment that Go-Mer-Tonic over at TheForce.net believes most of what he says. I've seen him drop too many hints that he understands perfectly well the other side's arguments, and agrees. At some point, he's conceded all points... only to go back to pretending like the concesion never happened.

It's not about Star Wars for either of you.

Of course, since you stand accused, you'll come back with some defense that amounts to "that's bullshit", but notice that in the other thread, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and treat this situation like that isn't the case. Meaning I'm holding back a little bit in condemning you in my mind, on the chance that I'm dead wrong.

I know what it's like to be accused of being some other user that you aren't, simply because you were new on a forum and said something serious that seemed outlandish to everyone else; and then the crowd laughing and agreeing with the self-proclaimed judge, with yourself then becoming an outcast. It has happened to me on tight-knit communities like this very, very often. So I was never quick to judge you. Even now, some part of me is willing to defend you. But if you don't swallow some of that pride and get behind me, you're going to be eaten by the pack today, tomorrow, or next month, but eventually.

And you know what, it's great that you have opinions that you're willing to defend tooth and nail. The problem being as I see it, the vibe from your posts aren't going to act as an easy magnet for winning anyone over to your view. From our discussions that we've had, and the reactions of others around the board to your posts that I see, that vibe is bordering on repulsive.

We're willing to see your views, but you criticize and cry havoc to ours, and then wonder why we're in turn so critical of you. What I'm getting at is that I'm skeptical that the reward you'll get after "battle" for being so insanely rigid in your views will even be worth the effort you put into it.

If you aren't willing to concede anything, if you aren't willing to relent in your views at all, the only reward in that is a self appreciation of a very lonely type.

"Come on, admit it. Sometimes you think I'm all right."

"Silly rabbit, Star Wars is for kids."

Jar-Jar Binks Haters: "Ahh darnit."

You are very quick to dismiss my opinion as worthless back-and-forth just because I don't like the stuff you like. And you really didn't need to send me a PM ORDERING me to respond to this. 

PM - Private Message. Unless I was harassing you, which I was not, why stoop so low as to even bring it up as if I was harassing you?

I pasted the link to this thread, and simply said: "Respond." Yeah, just look at the way I was offensively ordering you around. The only reason I sent you a PM is that I was reminding you of a chance you had in this thread to hold an interesting discussion. For some reason you decided to waste the chance and instead of addressing my specific points, you spoke in generalizations.

You're a cutie.

C3PX said:

 

Stop trying to psycho analyze us to prove your point. 

Sorry about that. I think the little guy learned it from me.

No, they are not. They fit perfectly with the dying Anakin we met at the end of ROTJ. They only look overly romanticzed if you go by the prequels and the prequels are bull. 

I was obviously speaking from a saga (with prequels) perspective.

My memo...

Remember to write Anakin Skywalker as being a larger-than-life hero, whose fall to evil will deeply resonate with the audience as truly tragic.