DarkFather

It's on easy-to-find torrents. I just opened the .avi torrent through LimeWire, downloaded it, and then converted the file to .wmv, and watched it on my laptop.

Not sure if I'll burn it onto DVD anytime soon. Don't see any need to right now.

So Adywan's edit is more than readily available to the curious. It doesn't require any trading, postage, or anything like that. And heck, someone even posted it on YouTube.

Octorox said:

DarkFather said:

I wouldn't have him as a crippled man inside life-support armor.

My villain would probably be a seasoned military commander that wears the armor when going into battle.

What I need is a talented artist that can put some of my character design ideas to paper. My younger brother is a phenomenal artist, but he's occupied right now.

 

I'd say it depends on how close it is to the art, and to the final Vader design. Plenty of characters in games and movies have similar design elements. You just have to be able to set your universe apart. There should be fundamental differences and new twists to the Star Wars formula.

The Shredder from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles comes to mind.

You're right about that, too, there does need to be fundemental differences. I think my villain's story is going to be different enough, now I have to think about his appearance: what do I want to keep that's inspired by Darth Vader, and what do I need to change to separate them? That's what I'm asking myself here.

Does anyone know any highly talented artists who would be willing to work with me in creating the villain's appearance? Preferably someone who isn't professional. Because my pocket is wanting of some green right now.

I want the villain whose true identity is unknown to most, his past as masked as his face, and who evokes fear in his enemies and ally subordinates alike. The main differences between my idea and the character of Darth Vader, are that he can survive without his suit, there's no relation to the hero, nor ever any redeemable factor to him, and I'm not going to give him any magical powers.

Then I still have the hero, the princess, and the rogue. Thinking about combining the hero with the rogue to create something of an anti-hero (cross between Luke and Han... if you can imagine that).

I wouldn't have him as a crippled man inside life-support armor.

My villain would probably be a seasoned military commander that wears the armor when going into battle.

What I need is a talented artist that can put some of my character design ideas to paper. My younger brother is a phenomenal artist, but he's occupied right now.

PT Rewrite (Have scriptments written for all)
My own edit of the OT (I’ve made a list of everything I’d like changed)

The projects are piling up, but this one is more hypothetical than anything. Someday I’d like to tackle my own space opera somewhat inspired by Star Wars.

Here’s my question…

if I borrowed heavily from Darth Vader concept art for a villain, would I run into any copyright issues?

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Your post prompted me to check out TF.net.

I will never forgive you.  Good god, I'm going to require therapy after visiting that nightmare of a place.  Are there really that many insane people in one place?

Check out the douchebags in The Secret History of Star Wars thread. Sorry Zombie. Looks like you got the worst of it.

A while back ago, the whole board was one giant mass of gush. They heavily censored everything remotely resembling a bash of Lucas or the Prequel Trilogy. But now... I'm seeing bashing everywhere. Even from a lot of MODS! And it's running rampant. This has me curious. Where was the turning point where TF.NET opened its eyes?

Only if you watch, rate, and comment on my Darth Vader tribute:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18oY9fRQHFE

TheBoost said:

DarkFather said:

When Vader comes aboard the Tantive IV to retrieve the stolen plans, a listener will begin to realize that this is a new spin on the villain from the film. While much of the dialogue and actions are the same, the tonality he uses when speaking gives us a villain with a different personality. His voice remains calm. While choking Antilles, Vader talks like an adult asking a child where the remote control to the television was hidden.

So this Vader isn't so much the brute from the film, but a more sophisticated and stoic villain.

 

 Obviously any actor (except Rich Little) is going to bring their own take on the character, but I also think that the radio actor's performance is clearly inspired by the James Earl Jones performance in ESB more than the much angrier and more expressive performance Jones gave in Star Wars.

The Ulic Quel Droma story, all three Dark Empires, and the Dark Forces games were also adapted to full-cast "radio dramas," with (IMHO) less success.

I sure wish they'd do the PT as radio dramas. With a solid writer to flesh out the characters and motivations, that could be awesome.

 I like the NPR Darth Vader, don't get me wrong.

It sure didn't change movie history. The only thing it really changed is how people will view Star Wars. Most will see it as having been tainted by the prequels, and that's not even taking into account the Special Editions.

AxiaEuxine said:

There ya go Dark Father, the saber is blue now and I changed vader's helmet to mostly black/blue

I don't know, I still think we need to include Jar-Jar in there somewhere... :P

I like your edit of the cover now!

Vaderisnothayden said:

DarkFather said:

Now for Obi-Wan Kenobi. Overall, the voice actor gives a flat performance. Obi-Wan seems too fatigued and "out of it" to be very engaging, and that's the first disappointment in the radio drama so far. Hopefully he gets better later on.

I'm inclined to think Kenobi was the best of the performances.

DarkFather said:

I absolutely love Leia's voice in this.

I don't. For one thing, it's so not Leia.

 

 

 

There's clearly obstacles in your life which you feel powerless to express your disdain for, so your only outlet is being negatively opinionated to the point of obnoxiousness on internet forums.

Superherohype would be a great place for you. Here, however, among the level-minded, you will be branded an outcast and undoubtedly ostracized in the end.

You still have a chance to salvage your reputation. There's time, though very little.

Actually, if you're talking about people picking up views from others, I think that's a major explanation for all those people who think the PT is ok.

As for myself, I didn't pay much attention to anybody else's views before I saw AOTC and once I'd seen  it I decided it was crap right away. I thought it was crap because I thought it was crap, not because somebody else thought it was crap.

You know if that's true or not. In the end, all will be revealed.

and the anamorphic unaltered ot will come out about the same time.

Vaderisnothayden said:

Already read it. Don't agree with it. I don't think there's anything realistic. Just because Anakin wasn't "a smooth-talking James Bond" doesn't mean it was realistic. Nor do I think the film doing a pathetic unrealistic teen fiction romance thing means it has "balls". And awkwardness on the part of the characters is not what characterises the romance, rather it's artificiality and lack of feeling or chemistry.

I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything is soft and smooth.

Actually, come to think of it, given the context of the scene, and how he subtly and sensually slides a finger over the bareness of Padme's skin... that is probably more poetically seductive than what most would come up with.

Good job, Anakin.

I don't think most of the complaints are the user's own initial thoughts from having watched it a lot of the time. I think they've been socially programmed by hanging around certain people, constantly hearing the same complaints, and then absorbing it into themselves while assuming they had the same "initial personal thoughts" as their friends. I've known too many who thought the PT was "okay" for the longest time before being exposed to hate lists and whatnot.

And I don't believe in censoring. Read hatelists and negative humor articles. But keep a clear head.

I guess those things have a tendancy to program people through repitition of a statement. You'll soon walk away thinking the author's thoughts were your thoughts originally, when in fact, if you had been mindful, you might have still walked away thinking the PT was "okay" rather than "goddam worse movies ever made."

Sure, sometimes we delude ourselves and need corrected on our thinking. But ask yourself: how is the person telling you these things any more credible then you are in the area of OPINION?

Think about things you read that appeal to emotion, therefore easily manipulating you. Take what seems sound, and cast all the other stuff away.

Read the first paragraph in my last response, Vaderisnothayden.

Akwat Kbrana said:

No, what I was saying was that I don't want interaction that is boring and cringe-inducing for the sake of realism. The Han-Leia romance in ESB is both believable and entertaining. The Anakin-Padme "romance" is believable to a degree (sure, teenagers flirt awkwardly) but neither entertaining, engaging, nor amusing. Hence, it's counterproductive. Besides which, it contains no spark of relatable humanity whatsoever. It's dull, boring, and just plain embarassing to watch.

Oh, and "monotonous drudgery of real life"... all right, as a side note, I want to tell you that it's silly to assume life is monotonous drudgery for everyone. I can only assume that your life is this way, and you want everyone else to suffer along with you. Sure, escapism is fun, but no fun if it isn't at least to some degree relatable. Just because you haven't had any of those experiences doesn't disqualify everyone else. That's your ISSUE.

Nice little ad hominem, particularly coming from someone who openly claims to be "unusual" and "awkward."

Was awkward. As are most teenagers who are first going into the dating game. I understand that a lot of people can't relate to that, but if you remember back, I think you'll see similarities between your friends' flirting and Anakin and Padme's. To have Anakin being a smooth-talking James Bond would've been one route, but also a predictable route. You have to give AOTC kudos for going the unpredictable, even if it would get slammed for it later. I hate that film, but it had balls.

And yes, I'm very unusual. But guess what? So was the original Star Wars. And it was still very fun, and charmingly unusual like life was meant to be. I don't even hide that fact about myself.

I greatly enjoy watching Han/Leia creating that sexual tension. There's just so much chemistry there. That was also a realistic romance. Like I said before, these interactions are very real.

Then again, so is the Anakin/Padme romance. Those two were a little younger, not quite as learned. What? Did you want a clone of the Han/Leia romance? That'd be boring.

Taking the other side is really refreshing. I just want to point out that a lot of the bashing is misguided.

Akwat Kbrana said: "The awkward, creepy romance of AOTC is more realistic than the screenplay-romance of ESB." Granted, but if I was looking for realistic, I wouldn't be watching Star Wars. I'd be taking a walk, or crunching some numbers, or running some errands, or eating a bowl of cereal. Sci-fi movies ought to constitute an escape from the monotonous drudgery of real life.

Don't try denying, back-tracking, or bolding other things. You knew exactly what you were selecting to ignore. Read the above quote.

You basically said you don't want realistic romance. There's no other way of interpreting that post. Then I brought up that the interaction in Star Wars has always been fundamentally realistic and human.

Acknowledge that point, or this discussion is a waste of our time.

Oh, and "monotonous drudgery of real life"... all right, as a side note, I want to tell you that it's silly to assume life is monotonous drudgery for everyone. I can only assume that your life is this way, and you want everyone else to suffer along with you. Sure, escapism is fun, but no fun if it isn't at least to some degree relatable. Just because you haven't had any of those experiences doesn't disqualify everyone else. That's your ISSUE.

Akwat Kbrana said:

DarkFather said:I don't bash the romance too much. Looking back, I think I was just as creepy and awkward as Anakin around the girl I liked.

The apologists use this one all the time. "The awkward, creepy romance of AOTC is more realistic than the screenplay-romance of ESB." Granted, but if I was looking for realistic, I wouldn't be watching Star Wars. I'd be taking a walk, or crunching some numbers, or running some errands, or eating a bowl of cereal. Sci-fi movies ought to constitute an escape from the monotonous drudgery of real life. I'll excuse the deplorable "romance" scenes in AOTC based on the realism argument around the same time my real life sees the advent of hyperspace, lightsabers, Jedi Knights, and battle-droids. Movies aren't meant to be a direct reflection of real life; they're meant to entertain. AOTC romance is neither engaging nor entertaining; it's just cringe-inducing.

Besides, it's not just the awkwardness that pervades everything Hayden does, says, or seems; it's the terrible quality of the acting. I've seen middle-school plays with more emotional depth and believability than the exchange between Portman and Christensen.

So you're trying to tell me that the believable human element in Star Wars isn't what helped it be such a cultural phenomena? That humans in Star Wars shouldn't be relatable, because that would be too realistic?

That's your issue, man. The interactions of the characters in Star Wars have always felt REAL. That's what makes part of the fantasy element so exciting, because you almost believe there are actual humans and aliens out there doing this stuff.

So how are you reacting right now to having found you've missed one of the biggest points of the entire saga?

I'm no prequel gusher. But I'm bored, I'm sleep deprived, I've read enough nonsense, and it's time to call out the bullshit. Bring it.

Get to know me, Vaderisnothayden, and I can show you just how "unusual" I really am.

Well that's not even close to being remotely true. The Naboo landscape = excellent, beautiful. The speeder chase on Coruscant between Obi-Wan/Anakin and the Bounty Hunter = riveting. Ewan McGregor's acting as Obi-Wan = brilliant.

Looks like it's time for me to make my own mark in the Star Wars fandom. Meaning my own edits of the OT. As much as I'll probably enjoy Adywan's, I'll never be truly happy with the OT until I've made my own personal changes to them. This is going to require my full creative control. That way, when I watch them, I won't be constantly thinking about how things could've been better. Sure, there's always room for improvement... but I want to clean it up to the point that there's no glaring flaws for me personally. And if others enjoy the finished product, that will be nice also. I have to get to work.

Good luck, Adywan.