You do realize that the five star collection version is a bootleg of the laserdisc, right? It wouldn’t surprise me at all if modern encodes of said laserdisc are far superior to said bootleg.
That all the telecines before the Definitive Collection have the reel change/cigarette burn (two terms for the same circular marks) and the fresh interpositive widely reported as the source for the Definitive Collection doesn’t just means that it really is a fresh print.
“Cigarette burn” is not a term for the changeover cues. They were frictionally called that in Fight Club
(insert Magic School Bus Plays Ball “stranger than friction” gif here)
99.9% of all frames from one 35mm Eastman print struck directly from the original negative in 1983. The remaining 175 frames are from an alternate 35mm print. No missing frames. All frames are from 35mm prints scanned at 4K. 4k83 even has the two theatrical frames that are missing from the GOUT. 100% of frames as seen in theatres in 1983.
The 175 frames were needed because of a scanning glitch during the main print capture else all would have been from the one print.
4k83 even has the two theatrical frames that are missing from the GOUT. 100% of frames as seen in theatres in 1983.
So… how is GOUT audio syncing handled?
Huh. Weird that the SSE would show more image than the 4K77, but the 4K83 shows more picture than the other releases…so I take it the Harmy’s Grindhouse showed less image than even the 2011 SE?
On a side note, what were the film sources used for 4K83, and how were missing frames (if any) handled?
Damn, it hasn’t even been a year since 4k77 was released. With any luck, 4k80 will arrive before Valentine’s Day 2019!
On a different note, how does the cropping compare with (among other releases) Harmy’s Grindhouse 35mm, Harmy’s Despecialized 2.0, and the 2011 SE Blu-Ray? I remember that @ZigZag compared a frame from ANH here and it showed that the Star Wars SSE had moments of showing more frame than 4K77 did. I’d like to know if something similar is going on between 4K83 and Harmy’s Grindhouse.
So, Article 11 and Article 13 have passed the vote from a couple days ago. I take it that due to the very nature of this website, it’s going to region blocked in the entirety of the EU. Somehow I don’t think the people who wanted Article 13 past had good copyright “infringement” (like all the 35mm preservations this site talks about) in mind. TBH, I don’t think anybody had that kind of thing in mind. This law is probably going to make fan preservations in the EU impossible without a good proxy/vpn to bypass the EU’s internet restrictions.
I know that this movie is fairly recent (only about 8 years old) and was made digital to begin with, but I just found this link on eBay and I was thinking some people might want it preserved.
Of course, there are other 35mm films that ought to be purchased by this and similar communities, but I was struck by how good it looked compared to some of the others.
Wait a minute… Star Trek TNG’s film source was at 30 fps? For the whole series?
This is pretty cool!
Maybe it can be used to re-composite various special effects digitally ALA the Special Editions for a new kind of Semi Specialized cut
How does one over multiple video sources anyways?
Why is it syncing to the Laserdisc audio and not the Cinema DTS? Just curious.
Thanks for the information, but I’m pretty sure I need info straight from the horses mouth for my friend to be convined.
@Handman I’m not sure if I really “returned”, as I can’t say whether I plan on returning as a regular poster or not.
Not “in person”… in a Discord chat lol.
Hi! I’ve been under the impression that the 1997 Special Edition only had select shots scanned from film to 2K for editing purposes. However, a friend of mine is convinced that the 1997 SE originated in its entirety from a finalized 2K master… on the grounds that “Otherwise, the transitions between the digitally-assembled shots, and the authentic film shots would be awful” and “Either it’s digitally restored, or it’s all just a newly-struck film copy. The latter wouldn’t make sense at all.”
I need specific sources that prove either my theory or my friend’s theory right. Can you guys provide?
“no home release ever had the subs burned in.” So the VHS releases don’t count then?
So…is this more detailed or less detailed compared to other major preservations like the Neverar Technicolor version of the 2004/2011 SE? Is every frame that’s in the GOUT accounted for here?
If the 97 mix is overall superior, you might as well just patch in the 2011 audio for that one scene (meaning starting at “Yes, I bet you have” and ending after the lasers are fired)
From what I remember reading on this site, “(yes) I bet you have” aside, the 97 mix was vastly superior to even the 2011 mix when it came to ANH.
Against earlier judgment, I decided to finally start posting in originaltrilogy.com again…if only to ask this question.
I imagine that for Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi it’s going to be almost entirely (if not entirely) the 2011 sound mixes you’re using, but considering how many view the 2004/2011 sound mixes of A New Hope to be inferior to the 1997 DTS mix for various reasons, do you plan on using a mixture of the 1997 and 2011 mixes for the audio (mainly using the audio from the 1997 sound mix except for instances where the 2011 mix has additions/changes like “We stopped.” “Tell (your) uncle” “(Yes,) I bet you have” (and subsequently how the 2011 version handles the Han vs Greedo shootout) and “There’s no one here”, and perhaps if the 2004/2011 mixes have sound effects the 1997 mix doesn’t (I think the sounds for when the Millennium Falcon leaves hyperspace in what once was the Alderann system are different there, and I’m sure the echo effects in the grappling hook swinging scene are different))?
The features mentioned in the title were ones that Original Trilogy had before the big move, as well as ones available at most forums.
I want to return to OT after being away for so long, but as long as these three features are missing, the interface will remain unusable.
I don’t mind things being silly. I thought pretty much all of the Afterworld Tournament filler arc was awesome.
To me, the Buu saga was very uneven. I didn’t like the idea of Goten and Trunks being Super Saiyans. I probably would have only accepted them being SSJ1 only as Gotenks, and not allow them to reach SSJ2, let alone SSJ3. That said, Gotenks vs Super Buu is a hilariously awesome fight.
One scene I remember is when we see Buu lift people off the ground and turn them into candy, in a very stylized, cartoonish way, as if it was all harmless fun, and then we see the destruction, the devastation, the hopelessness. If the Buu saga wasn’t so silly, it probably would have been the darkest DBZ ever gotten, and in a way it still is.
The Great Saiyaman saga got old really fast.
As for the movies that I have seen (not counting Father of Goku or History of Trunks, both really good btw)…
Dead Zone and Tree of Might were both very good, but had rushed endings. World’s Strongest seems forgettable. Lord Slug managed to rip off both the King Piccolo saga and Tree of Might and manage to be worse than both of them. I didn’t like how Namekians can’t stand Human whistling, though it does give the Speedy dub one of its most memorable lines.
I thought Cooler’s second movie was better than the first. Super Android 13 is the worst of all of the dbz movies that I saw so far. Thankfully, Abridged redeems it. I loved the first half of the first Broly movie, but once it got to the fighting, it got boring quickly. Bojack Unchained was really good most of the time, but I didn’t like how the climax ripped off the climax of the Cell saga. Broly Second Coming is trash. Bio-Broly, while not the best DBZ film, is not the worst either. In fact, I thought it had the best fights out of the three Broly Films. Fusion Reborn felt just like the saga it was trying to imitate. It had unique and funny fights, and it had the same pacing issues that the Buu saga had. IIRC it had a better climax though.
I’ve seen a lot since my last post.
Good grief, episodes 284-286 should have been one episode. The Genki Dama/Spirit Bomb stuff was dragged out to the point where I was fast forwarding the vast majority of those episodes 😛
IMO the episode should have went with Vegeta asking everybody for everyone’s energy, almost everybody ignoring said request, then Mr. Satan asks almost immediately afterwards, rather than everything that happened in between.
Unpopular opinion coming up, but that scene was worse in pacing than the Freeza vs Goku battle. Even though it was much longer, at least most of the stuff going on there was interesting. With the Buu Saga’s climax though, you knew that Fat Buu couldn’t hold a candle to Kid Buu. I didn’t really care about what was going on in the background at that moment.
The fact that the Buu saga of Kai was inferior to regular Kai and probably didn’t even bother fixing this issue, even in the Japanese TV version, doesn’t help matters.
*spitta–* oh wait, I’m not drinking anything…
No longer the case. All TNG episodes have been updated to their HD counterparts.
your kids will inherit your biases, and if you’re lucky, your kids will call you out on them when they grow up.
Heh heh. I wish I could do the same thing with my own parents…but I don’t think I can live on my own yet.
Neutrality is a very noble goal, but there’s nothing as infuriating as a parent who claims to be totally, completely neutral when they’re not. Try to be upfront about your own biases, like “you know, I’m not really the best person to ask about brand X Christianity because my own parents were brand X, and it was a really awful experience for me”.
You’re right. Growing up with a family of radical Christians has certainly tainted my view of Christianity as a whole, and I know that as a result I couldn’t truly neutral about it. It’s a pity that your saying so only makes me feel more uncertain on how I should raise my future kids.