The original trilogy? It’s never got any kind of IMAX release, and I don’t think the Pan and Scan exists in HD. Considering the 2004/2011 master was made with a 1920x1080 16:9 letterbox, any pan and scan masters made from it would, best case scenario, have to be cropped and upscaled.
@Mackey256 You forgot about the Renegade Grindhouse 1080p version of Empire Strikes Back (which could be paired with the no-DNR versions of 4k77 and 4k83 until 4k80 comes out), as well as the Dreamaster version (which could be paired with the DNR versions of 4k77 and 4k83 until 4k80 comes out).
Here’s my thoughts on the best 97se and theatrical prequel releases:
For 97 ANH you can choose between Harmy’s Respecialized version (which is a 720p reconstruction using multiple sources and masters) or the Team Blu version (a 720p upscale which limits itself to SD 97 SE masters, most notable some DVD recordings of SD DTV broadcasts). Both versions have the DTS Theatrical audio included. It’s not as fair a comparison as Despecialized vs 4k77/Grindhouse ESB/4k83 though due to there being no pure 97SE masters in HD/4k released yet. Waiting for a fresh 4k transfer.
For ESB and ROTJ my recommended choice for the 97 se is althor1138’s Laserdisc preservations due to them also including the DTS theatrical audio. If you don’t mind being limited to the Laserdisc AC3 audio you could also go with Adywan’s 1080p reconstruction of ESB. Still waiting for a fresh 4k transfer.
For TPM, the DTS audio has been synced to Adywan’s SD theatrical reconstruction. Whether you use the muxed mkv or mux it yourself is up to you. Still waiting for a fresh 4k transfer.
There aren’t any good theatrical sources for Attack of the Clones, and there aren’t any fan edits which try to reconstruct the theatrical cut for the purpose of syncing with the DTS audio. If you really want to watch this version of the film, your best option is probably either the Centropy SVCDs or the edited UAR version made by spoRv.
You picked a bad time to ask for episode 3. My suggestion would be to wait for v2 of Schorman’s theatrical reconstruction.
One more thing that I forgot. You’ll need to make crawl only subtitles for the fandub. It should simply be a matter of making a copy of the full subtitles and deleting everything after the opening crawl, but still.
I’m not sure if my post never appeared or if it was deleted for mentioning a file name that I shouldn’t have mentioned.
Along with again wanting an update of the theatrical reconstruction of ROTS, I’d like to see the Backstroke of the West fandub synced and included in all future updates of your ROTS encodes. Unfortunately, I have no idea what the original source for it is.
What happened to V2? Wasn’t there going to be a V2 that fixed various things like duplicate frames?
Wowow is based on the bluray mix rather than the DVD mix.
My one curiosity - will you be including a “fixed” dvd mix. If I remember correctly, the surround channels were swapped during portions of the 2004 audio master.
Didn’t that only apply to ANH?
Why resize to 720p? What resolution are you recording to anyways? You should just leave it in SD IMO.
Bit of a difference though. AFAIK Avatar and Clone Wars were mostly computer animated 2d, with some 3d CGI models. Droids and Ewoks were more traditionally animated, so I don’t think it’ll turn out as well.
[sarcasm]Nice necrobump BTW.[/sarcasm] Almost 8 years difference in between none’s post and utsnia’s post.
The DNR version of 4k77 reminded me of the earliest Orange Bricks of Dragon Ball Z in some ways: much of the grain was wiped out, but a lot of the dirt and scratches and stuff are still visible.
I don’t know how feasible it will be to remove that stuff in updates of the Non-DNR version (which also kept the dirt and scratches, but are less conspicuous on account of the grain), but I’m curious if the Skydude DNR version will fix this issue.
The address is https:// davidmdaut dot com/2019/01/14/star-wars-attack-of-the-clones/, but for some reason, it links to https:// davidmdaut dot com/2019/01/14/star-wars-attack-of-the-clones/%E2%80%AC , a web address that I’m pretty sure doesn’t exist.
edit: The problem appears to be with the originaltrilogy.com’s forum software.
Quirks like what, for instance?
I can’t say that I like movies being available streaming-only. It’s basically a big “screw you” to videophiles and audiophiles who crave the quality that (4K) Blu-ray discs provide. Personally, assuming no new physical disc formats are made, physical discs as a whole aren’t going to die out until 100 TB hard drives capable of storing dozens of 1:1 100GB 4k Blu-ray rips are cheap, commonplace, and the norm.
I’d like a link to the latest version please.
Due to how many films Star Wars has, and how many revisions there are, I’d like to see which dubs were made using what versions and when. While resources like this thread and this TVTropes page provide some information, but it isn’t organized in a way that I’d like. Would anybody be willing to reorganize the information into the following categories? (Due to the various changes, including in the case of Episode 4 the inclusion of some of the added 1977 35mm Mono lines (if not alternate takes), some alternate takes of its own, some added scenes as well as the fact that 20 years have passed since the original came out in theaters, Special Edition mixes will be labeled completely separately from pre-SE mixes (despecialization of SE mixes to sync to the original releases don’t count). This rule will also go for the two other movies in the original trilogy.)
Star Wars Episode 1:
-2001 DVD/HDTV (some shots removed, some shots added)
-2011 Blu-Ray (same length as DVD/HDTV. Minor audio changes, most notably the replacement of “Vote Now” with what the Star Wars wiki calls “a general uproar”)
Star Wars Episode 2:
-2002 35mm Theatrical (Has it being the basis of any dubs been confirmed? Is this what the English DTS is synced to?)
-2002 Digital Theatrical (May or may not be identical to the 2002 DVD/HDTV. Is this what the English DTS is synced to?)
-2002 IMAX Theatrical (Probably not used for a foreign language dub at all, but I could be wrong. Removed several scenes for time reasons)
-2002 DVD/HDTV (Unlike with The Phantom Menace, where the VHS and Laserdisc releases used the theatrical cut as well as some tv broadcasts, this was the only version released on VHS and may have been the only version shown on TV before 2011)
-2011 Blu-Ray (same length as DVD/HDTV, but rearranges some scenes for no apparent reason. This negatively affects the music placement, but it’s possible that some dubs “fixed” the placement to match the rearranging of the scenes)
Star Wars Episode 3:
As far as I know, there aren’t any time changes in any of the versions of this film.
-2005 Theatrical AND DVD/HDTV (There are some minor differences between the Theatrical and the DVD/HDTV masters, but nothing that affects the sound)
-2011 Blu-Ray (Minor audio changes, most notably the addition of some clone trooper dialogue during Obi-Wan’s fight with Grevious)
Star Wars Episode 4:
-1977 70mm Surround Sound AND 1977 35mm Stereo sound (Apparently almost identical in content according to the Star Wars Wikia. May have been used for some dubs)
-1977 35mm Mono Sound (The “final” mix before 1986. Was used as the source for several foreign dubs. Had several changes and additions)
-1985 Sound (Had C-3PO’s tractor beam lines from the Mono mix, but otherwise similar to the 35mm Stereo mix in content)
-1993 Sound (Produced for the Definitive Collection Laserdiscs. Similar in content to the 70mm Surround mix but added several sound effects. Most of the additions of the 1977 Mono mix are not present)
Star Wars Episode 4 Special Edition:
-1997 Special Edition (Although some non-English releases reused elements from pre-SE mixes, notably the German dub apparently, many regions restarted from scratch starting here. Had several changes compared to the original)
-2004 Special Edition (Identical in length. Unlike with Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, where the elements of the 97SE sound mixes were reused, the 2004 SE got a new audio mix… which sucked. Notable for restoring the “yes” in Han Solo’s line “Yes, I’ll bet you have.” The sounds of the lasers coming out of the guns in the Han and Greedo scene have changed to match the visual change in the scene. For some reason, some music playing during the attack on the Death Star was muted briefly. The call Obi-Wan makes to scare the sand people has changed.
-2011 Special Edition (It would’ve been idential in length to the 1997 and 2004 Special Editions if it wasn’t for the removal of at least a dozen frames in the Han vs Greedo sequence. Still based on the bad 2004 audio mix, but some of its most egregious problems have been fixed, including muted music. Obi-Wan’s call has been changed again.
Star Wars Episode 5:
-1981 70mm sound (Had a few differences from the 35mm release)
-1981 35mm sound (The main mix until 1993, though the 1993 mix isn’t nearly as notable in its changes as in the case of Episode 4)
-1981(?) 16mm sound (Somewhat rare, probably not used for anything)
Star Wars Episode 5 Special Edition:
-1997 Special Edition (Some additional shots, the inexplicable inclusion of the Emperor’s yell from Return of the Jedi when Luke rejects Vader’s offer.)
-2004 Special Edition (Audio mix wise, Episode 5 has the biggest change in SE variations compared to the other two films, mainly because the scene with the Emperor hologram was replaced and extended. On the bright side, the ROTJ yell was removed)
-2011 Special Edition (Same length as 2004 Special Edition. Audio mix changes are so minor they’re probably not worth mentioning.
Star Wars Episode 6:
There apparerntly aren’t any major differences between any of the audio mixes pre-SE.
Star Wars Episode 6 Special Edition:
-1997 Special Edition (Lapti Nek is inexplicably replaced with a cringeworthy CGI sequence. I hope you like looking inside peoples mouths! The other major change is at the end, where Yub Nub is replaced with different music and a sequence was added involving planets celebrating the fall of the Empire.)
-2004 Special Edition (The Victory Celebration montage has an additional scene showing Naboo. Otherwise there weren’t really any notable changes from an audio perspective.)
-2011 Special Edition (Same length as 2004 Special Edition, but the audio mix has the cringeworthy addition of Vador shouting “No!” right before grabbing the Emperor.)
I know you didn’t post a 4K version of your Single Reel Correction 4k77, but when your shot for shot color correction comes out, could you please release it in 4K as well as 1080p?
You do realize that the five star collection version is a bootleg of the laserdisc, right? It wouldn’t surprise me at all if modern encodes of said laserdisc are far superior to said bootleg.
That all the telecines before the Definitive Collection have the reel change/cigarette burn (two terms for the same circular marks) and the fresh interpositive widely reported as the source for the Definitive Collection doesn’t just means that it really is a fresh print.
“Cigarette burn” is not a term for the changeover cues. They were frictionally called that in Fight Club
(insert Magic School Bus Plays Ball “stranger than friction” gif here)
99.9% of all frames from one 35mm Eastman print struck directly from the original negative in 1983. The remaining 175 frames are from an alternate 35mm print. No missing frames. All frames are from 35mm prints scanned at 4K. 4k83 even has the two theatrical frames that are missing from the GOUT. 100% of frames as seen in theatres in 1983.
The 175 frames were needed because of a scanning glitch during the main print capture else all would have been from the one print.
4k83 even has the two theatrical frames that are missing from the GOUT. 100% of frames as seen in theatres in 1983.
So… how is GOUT audio syncing handled?
Huh. Weird that the SSE would show more image than the 4K77, but the 4K83 shows more picture than the other releases…so I take it the Harmy’s Grindhouse showed less image than even the 2011 SE?
On a side note, what were the film sources used for 4K83, and how were missing frames (if any) handled?
Damn, it hasn’t even been a year since 4k77 was released. With any luck, 4k80 will arrive before Valentine’s Day 2019!
On a different note, how does the cropping compare with (among other releases) Harmy’s Grindhouse 35mm, Harmy’s Despecialized 2.0, and the 2011 SE Blu-Ray? I remember that @ZigZag compared a frame from ANH here and it showed that the Star Wars SSE had moments of showing more frame than 4K77 did. I’d like to know if something similar is going on between 4K83 and Harmy’s Grindhouse.
So, Article 11 and Article 13 have passed the vote from a couple days ago. I take it that due to the very nature of this website, it’s going to region blocked in the entirety of the EU. Somehow I don’t think the people who wanted Article 13 past had good copyright “infringement” (like all the 35mm preservations this site talks about) in mind. TBH, I don’t think anybody had that kind of thing in mind. This law is probably going to make fan preservations in the EU impossible without a good proxy/vpn to bypass the EU’s internet restrictions.
I know that this movie is fairly recent (only about 8 years old) and was made digital to begin with, but I just found this link on eBay and I was thinking some people might want it preserved.
Of course, there are other 35mm films that ought to be purchased by this and similar communities, but I was struck by how good it looked compared to some of the others.
Wait a minute… Star Trek TNG’s film source was at 30 fps? For the whole series?
This is pretty cool!
Maybe it can be used to re-composite various special effects digitally ALA the Special Editions for a new kind of Semi Specialized cut