Creox

ChainsawAsh said:

Creox said:

SilverWook said:

Matt.F said:

SilverWook said:

Sure! If you have a 100 inch screen in your house. 😛

I’m surprised to read a dismissive comment about 4K on this site. I thought OT forum was very much built around wanting the very best ‘technical’ presentation of Star Wars, from sound, to accurate colour representation, to resolution - aren’t these technical aspects fundamental to Originaltrilogy.com? Or do forum members actually not care that much?

I care, but 4K for home use is primarily a scheme to get me to buy a new 4K tv, a new 4K player, a new 4K ready receiver, etc. Half of what’s on the format is simply upscaled from 2K. Pixar doesn’t even render their films at 4K.
https://twitter.com/leeunkrich/status/966464478937153536
And don’t even get me started on 30 year old movies with questionable Atmos remixes and no original mix option in sight. I’m not about to drill holes in the ceiling of a 40 year old house to put Atmos speakers above me, either.
The displays I’ve seen in stores look very nice, but they just don’t look like film to me. I imagine a lot of crap in the tv has to be switched off to get a film like image though.

When a restored non buggered OOT is on 4k, wake me. 2001 and The Shining might get me to budge as well. I am getting a bit long in the tooth to consider rebuying all my favorite movies again on a for a third time.
Thankfully, I’ll probably be too old to care when 8K comes along. 😉

I was glad to see your comments of 4K not looking like film. I agree. Many films or TV programs I’ve seen in 4K have the soap opera look to it…kinds like 60 fps with LOTR did for me.

That’s the TV with all its motion interpolation and other image processing turned on, not the 4K source material. Turn all that shit off and turn your sharpness down to zero and it’ll look like film, as long as it’s a good transfer/master. But the soap opera effect is 100% the TV’s motion interpolation.

That’s good to know…that being said I have no immediate plans on buying a new TV. I’m very happy with my setup.

SilverWook said:

Matt.F said:

SilverWook said:

Sure! If you have a 100 inch screen in your house. 😛

I’m surprised to read a dismissive comment about 4K on this site. I thought OT forum was very much built around wanting the very best ‘technical’ presentation of Star Wars, from sound, to accurate colour representation, to resolution - aren’t these technical aspects fundamental to Originaltrilogy.com? Or do forum members actually not care that much?

I care, but 4K for home use is primarily a scheme to get me to buy a new 4K tv, a new 4K player, a new 4K ready receiver, etc. Half of what’s on the format is simply upscaled from 2K. Pixar doesn’t even render their films at 4K.
https://twitter.com/leeunkrich/status/966464478937153536
And don’t even get me started on 30 year old movies with questionable Atmos remixes and no original mix option in sight. I’m not about to drill holes in the ceiling of a 40 year old house to put Atmos speakers above me, either.
The displays I’ve seen in stores look very nice, but they just don’t look like film to me. I imagine a lot of crap in the tv has to be switched off to get a film like image though.

When a restored non buggered OOT is on 4k, wake me. 2001 and The Shining might get me to budge as well. I am getting a bit long in the tooth to consider rebuying all my favorite movies again on a for a third time.
Thankfully, I’ll probably be too old to care when 8K comes along. 😉

I was glad to see your comments of 4K not looking like film. I agree. Many films or TV programs I’ve seen in 4K have the soap opera look to it…kinds like 60 fps with LOTR did for me.

TV’s Frink said:

We all suck equally!

LoL.

Maybe not “suck” but that is generally the idea. From computer tech forums, political and on and on…I’ve seen the same scenario play out. It’s fun to discuss things we are passionate about and enjoy but I’m sticking to my main point.

Collipso said:

Creox said:

DrDre said:

Creox said:

DrDre said:

Gothamknight said:

Really enjoying this guy’s rants lately:

Geeks and Gamers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSWaeCipSBE

I enjoyed some of his stuff too. 😃

I think what your reply indicates generally is that people have made up their minds long ago and they haven’t been changed after 226 pages.

And why does my reply imply this specifically? There were a number of replies before mine. Should only those that are critical change their mind? Can’t we just exchange views without one side having to convince the other their view is the “correct” one? And why do you assume all my perspectives on this film have not changed over the course of these discussions? I appreciate some aspects of TLJ more now, but overall I still feel it is a bad Star Wars movie, which is a perfectly acceptable opinion.

It was just an observation and a fairly accurate one…that’s all.

You are one of a handful that are most vocal about your thoughts on the movie so that is why I chose to react to your post. You are absolutely entitled to your opinion. I guess my feeling is that many of the forums that discuss whether people like or dislike a movie are generally moot because people just invest too much into their thoughts on a topic to have them changed…it happens rarely that someone comes in like yourself and is convinced the opposite.

Sorry for jumping in but I honestly feel like those who were trying to defend the movie were just as passionate about it if not more so than those criticizing it.

I certainly include both sides of the debate/discussion in my post.

DrDre said:

Creox said:

DrDre said:

Gothamknight said:

Really enjoying this guy’s rants lately:

Geeks and Gamers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSWaeCipSBE

I enjoyed some of his stuff too. 😃

I think what your reply indicates generally is that people have made up their minds long ago and they haven’t been changed after 226 pages.

And why does my reply imply this specifically? There were a number of replies before mine. Should only those that are critical change their mind? Can’t we just exchange views without one side having to convince the other their view is the “correct” one? And why do you assume all my perspectives on this film have not changed over the course of these discussions? I appreciate some aspects of TLJ more now, but overall I still feel it is a bad Star Wars movie, which is a perfectly acceptable opinion.

It was just an observation and a fairly accurate one…that’s all.

You are one of a handful that are most vocal about your thoughts on the movie so that is why I chose to react to your post. You are absolutely entitled to your opinion. I guess my feeling is that many of the forums that discuss whether people like or dislike a movie are generally moot because people just invest too much into their thoughts on a topic to have them changed…it happens rarely that someone comes in like yourself and is convinced the opposite.

DrDre said:

Gothamknight said:

Really enjoying this guy’s rants lately:

Geeks and Gamers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSWaeCipSBE

I enjoyed some of his stuff too. 😃

I think what your reply indicates generally is that people have made up their minds long ago and they haven’t been changed after 226 pages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TPY4TKo6uQ

This should get your juices flowing…would have been a great official release imo.

Collipso said:

imo a pointless one.

Pointless how? Is it something you yourself are not interested in or objectively pointless?

This is a good time to be a Star Wars fan.

TV’s Frink said:

Creox said:

SilverWook said:

Mavimao said:

The problem with criticizing the kamakaze act in TLJ is that in the name of fairness, you’re going to have to nitpick the use of Ion Cannons.

“Well, if a few blasts of an ion cannon can cripple a star destroyer, why doesn’t the empire use more of them against the rebels!”

Have we ever seen an Ion cannon fired from a spacecraft? Seems like the thing is huge, and probably dependent on that big power generator the Walkers took out. One can argue that particular SD captain was overconfident (our first catch of the day) and didn’t have his shields up. We also don’t see any other SD’s get hit.

And while we’re at it, let’s nitpick how Luke was able to leave Hoth with little trouble while everyone else had to go through a blockade.

The Imperial fleet is probably chasing down the bigger ships, (all of which have fled Hoth at that point) and it’s easier to slip away. Space is big, really big Wedge and those other pilots getting to their X-Wings probably did the same.

And while I’m thinking about it, if Leia knew the Falcon was rigged with a tracking device, why didn’t they go out of light speed somewhere far from the base, rendez-vous with a cruiser, and leave Han.

And make sure the cruiser brings Han his money? 😉 There are arguments that the Rebels want to bring the DS to them, gambling that they will find a weakness in time. Han refused to believe they were being tracked anyway.

Your post is a plausible explanation but the issue is that you can go down the potatot hole quickly

WYSHS

0_o

😃

SilverWook said:

Mavimao said:

The problem with criticizing the kamakaze act in TLJ is that in the name of fairness, you’re going to have to nitpick the use of Ion Cannons.

“Well, if a few blasts of an ion cannon can cripple a star destroyer, why doesn’t the empire use more of them against the rebels!”

Have we ever seen an Ion cannon fired from a spacecraft? Seems like the thing is huge, and probably dependent on that big power generator the Walkers took out. One can argue that particular SD captain was overconfident (our first catch of the day) and didn’t have his shields up. We also don’t see any other SD’s get hit.

And while we’re at it, let’s nitpick how Luke was able to leave Hoth with little trouble while everyone else had to go through a blockade.

The Imperial fleet is probably chasing down the bigger ships, (all of which have fled Hoth at that point) and it’s easier to slip away. Space is big, really big Wedge and those other pilots getting to their X-Wings probably did the same.

And while I’m thinking about it, if Leia knew the Falcon was rigged with a tracking device, why didn’t they go out of light speed somewhere far from the base, rendez-vous with a cruiser, and leave Han.

And make sure the cruiser brings Han his money? 😉 There are arguments that the Rebels want to bring the DS to them, gambling that they will find a weakness in time. Han refused to believe they were being tracked anyway.

Your post is a plausible explanation but the issue is that you can go down the rabbit hole quickly when trying to answer questions no one knows are true or not. The problem with many TLJ critics is that they don’t realize how many questions like Maviamo asked there are for the OT. They just accept them as part of the movie…or even more likely, don’t notice or think about them at all.

For me at least, I find much of the hullabaloo around TLJ to be based on these kinds of questions…outside of Luke would never act like that etc etc.

DuracellEnergizer said:

This thread in a nutshell:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XZ6FC7hXs0

I don’t peruse this thread often anymore. I should make an effort to peruse it even less.

Awesome! LoL

" I am altering the perusal, pray I don’t alter it any further"

Collipso said:

Creox said:

DominicCobb said:

Tobar said:

DominicCobb said:

Mocata said:

But trailers are designed to maximise the hype, and presumably this was the best they could do in terms of crowd pleasing sound bites even after all the delays.

Well I haven’t seen it but I’m electing to defend it regardless!

FTFY

You will never see me say that a trailer proves a performance will be bad or “wrong.” I just on principle don’t think it’s a fair indication.

As it should be, frankly.

No one is going to do a bang up impersonation of another actor and still be effective in the role because more times than not it comes off half baked.

I am quite happy to let this movie entertain me…or not but it won’t be due to the title actor not being able to sound like Harrison Ford but whether the movie as a whole is something I like.

Btw does that guy really look like Lando either? Doesn’t to me but that’s OK.

Glover is definitely more Lando than Ehrenreich is Solo.

I don’t see it…Glover doesn’t say anything. The only thing I saw that was Lando was the cape and that one smile.

DominicCobb said:

Tobar said:

DominicCobb said:

Mocata said:

But trailers are designed to maximise the hype, and presumably this was the best they could do in terms of crowd pleasing sound bites even after all the delays.

Well I haven’t seen it but I’m electing to defend it regardless!

FTFY

You will never see me say that a trailer proves a performance will be bad or “wrong.” I just on principle don’t think it’s a fair indication.

As it should be, frankly.

No one is going to do a bang up impersonation of another actor and still be effective in the role because more times than not it comes off half baked.

I am quite happy to let this movie entertain me…or not but it won’t be due to the title actor not being able to sound like Harrison Ford but whether the movie as a whole is something I like.

Btw does that guy really look like Lando either? Doesn’t to me but that’s OK.

yotsuya said:

Mrebo said:

yotsuya said:

I think I figured out a retcon to make sense of TESB and TFA. In universe when they refer to a system, they do not mean star system, but a group of worlds or moons as a political body. Otherwise the Falcon in TESB would have spent months or years traveling from Hoth to Bespin. but if Hoth, Anoat, and Bespin are all in one solar system but comprise 3 political bodies, then the Falcon can traverse that distance in days. The same with the people of Takodana seeing the blast that destroys the Hosnian system (which is portrayed as a planet with several moons). I still think Takodana should be further away than that and them seeing was a silly plot point.

How this quite relates to TFA, I’m not sure, but the discussion that was going on made me think about it.

Sounds plausible.

Goes to show that trying to fit Star Wars into a scifi box doesn’t work too well though. Travel times were one area where they really played fast and loose in the OT. After reading your post I had to google and there are similar thoughts to yours. The official explanation was too convoluted: a (slow) backup hyperdrive.

As the stories build on each other, consistency is developed and audience expectations go up. I wonder if as a function of that and audiences being more jaded from decades of movie wizardry, that some of these things become more problematic than they were 1977-1983. I think that is an issue when it comes to TLJ, where new things suddenly seem implausible, inconsistent or plotholey - even when they demonstrably are not.

The slowness of the bombers bugged me, feeling like there was a game mechanic to make them really slow to compensate for their offensive power, because otherwise they would be OP. No great thing and certainly not a reason to hate the movie, but it was there.

Bombers are supposed to be slow, they have a heavy cargo. They aren’t light, nimble fighters. I found them to be done the right way. Also very true to WWII bombers. WWII aircraft are the inspiration for the Star Wars dogfights so why it a bombing run.

I agree. I think I understand the thinking re: implausibility of slow bombers…in space. But the thing is if you started down that road too far you end up with a hard science fiction story, which SW is most decidedly not.

Collipso said:

https://youtu.be/9eJXB0FQPD0 - good analysis on why Snoke in the ST doesn’t work like Palpatine worked in the OT.

I think the guy provides analysis but whether it is useful or not depends on how you see Snoke as a fan of SW. I did not care about where he came from in the same way I didn’t care about where Palpatine came from in ANH. I thought about this for a while and came to the conclusion that my thoughts and feelings about Sidious did not change after seeing the prequels…at all, amazingly.

I think has a lot to do with why the guy exists at the base level…to be a villain. Having him be mysterious in ANH made him more menacing and scary. Same with Snoke. I see him in exactly the same way I saw Sidious and did not have any desire to really know where and why he came to be in TFA. Of course I was curious but it was minor.

oojason said:

Creox said:

yhwx said:

A thing on timelines here: The two main storylines in TLJ start at different times. The escape storyline starts a week after the events of TFA; the Ach-To storyline happens immediately after the events of TFA.

The bomber: People complained about how the bomber thing was unrealistic because there’s no gravity in space. That pedantry is inaccurate. The bombs fell due to the gravitational force of the Star Destroyer underneath the bomber. This is the same reason that Star Destroyer falls into the Death Star in ROTJ.

I read in the visual dictionary that the bombs used magnetic tech as well.

I think it may be this one?:-

 

huh, a bit of a feeling of deva vu there.

That’s the one…thanks for posting.

NeverarGreat said:

Creox said:

yhwx said:

A thing on timelines here: The two main storylines in TLJ start at different times. The escape storyline starts a week after the events of TFA; the Ach-To storyline happens immediately after the events of TFA.

The bomber: People complained about how the bomber thing was unrealistic because there’s no gravity in space. That pedantry is inaccurate. The bombs fell due to the gravitational force of the Star Destroyer underneath the bomber. This is the same reason that Star Destroyer falls into the Death Star in ROTJ.

I read in the visual dictionary that the bombs used magnetic tech as well.

I know, right? 😉

yhwx said:

A thing on timelines here: The two main storylines in TLJ start at different times. The escape storyline starts a week after the events of TFA; the Ach-To storyline happens immediately after the events of TFA.

The bomber: People complained about how the bomber thing was unrealistic because there’s no gravity in space. That pedantry is inaccurate. The bombs fell due to the gravitational force of the Star Destroyer underneath the bomber. This is the same reason that Star Destroyer falls into the Death Star in ROTJ.

I read in the visual dictionary that the bombs used magnetic tech as well.

KILLOFFPOE said:

yotsuya said:

KILLOFFPOE said:

SilverWook said:

KILLOFFPOE said:

SilverWook said:

Are you sure someone doesn’t have a voodoo doll of you? 😉

That was no skidding turn, that was real spacecraft physics. Babylon 5 had spacecraft turn on an axis to fire like that all the time.

Star Wars doesn’t have “real spacecraft physics”. Star Wars has always been “WWII in Space”. I’ve never seen a P-51 Mustang make a turn like that!

Is there some limit to how big a spaceship can be I’m not aware of? Snoke’s ship didn’t seem that much larger than Vader’s Star Destroyer. Perhaps Snoke was compensating for something…

The Death Star and the Executor are fine because they’re the culmination of the galaxy-ruling Empire’s power. Those ships are what infinite money and a firm grasp on all supply lines and independent contractors gets you. And they’re single ships. They have to construct a new Death Star when they want another.

But the rules of the Disney Trilogy are evidently “bigger ship every movie” despite whatever happened 18 hours ago in TFA. Starkiller was ridiculous. The First Order has infinite money. Infinite crew. Despite supposedly being a “fringe group” attempting to rise to power on the edge of the galaxy.

Remember that the visual dictionary says than Snoke’s Ship has a crew of TWO MILLION the next time a disney fan tries to convince you the First Order is “small” or resource constrained.

Pretty sure P-51’s defy physics in Lucas’ Red Tails movie. Spacecraft don’t make noise in a vacuum either. 😉

I don’t take much stock in what the visual dictionary says. Would you take what they imply about Snoke as gospel?

The two million passes the eye test too just based on how freaking overly huge that ship was.

And again, I don’t care about realistic physics at all. I just want the in-universe abilities to remain constant between movies. The X-Wing powerslide was the new Legolas skateboard.

What is obvious is that Snoke and the First Order are a continuation of the Empire. From the equipment they have and the developments they have made, it seem pretty clear that they have access to the designs of the Empire and the ability to manufacture equipment on the same scale.

Well yes, that is obvious by what transpires in the movie.

But Disney and Disney Apologists are very insistent that the First Order is just a small remnant in the Unknown Regions. Despite them nuking the entire New Republic. Despite building StarKiller base and now Snoke’s ship. Despite everything in the movie telling you that they’re just as big and bad as the Empire. Despite there being only about 12 Resistance members left in the entire galaxy. And about 6 lines of dialog between the two movies to try to explain/hoodwink all of the above.

The world-building in the Disney Trilogy is creatively bankrupt. It’s as big of a problem here as the bad acting/directing were a problem in the Prequels.

The resistance is much bigger than that. The movie focuses on the main characters of that resistance obviously. Who do you think they were trying to get to come help them at the end of the movie?

joefavs said:

Speaking as someone who does have depressive tendencies, it actually meant kind of a lot to me to see Luke portrayed that way. This is one of the only times a hero of this saga hasn’t felt fundamentally outside of my own experience. Depressed Luke not only doesn’t feel incongruous to me, it feels incredibly meaningful.

It feels real and human. I felt closer to the character than I did in the entire OT.

ray_afraid said:

I’d like to thank all of you on not jumping me when I said I haven’t seen this movie and don’t care to. I did that elsewhere earlier today and was immediately labeled “not a real fan”.
And that was the nicest thing I was called.
And, just like here, I made sure to announce that I’m not anti-anything or anyone or boycotting or whatever nonsense. Didn’t matter. I’m a “hater” and a “miserable person” apparently.

You don’t have to like TLJ to be a SW fan. Just passionate . 😉

DominicCobb said:

Creox said:

DominicCobb said:

Creox said:

Shopping Maul said:

Michael Ward said:

Creox said:

With regards to the DS being able to use a hyperdrive. I am stunned that people think it wouldn’t. Space is really, really big…I mean, really big. For the DS to not be able to fly at lightspeed would render it completely useless for striking fear into the galaxy.

Of course it realisticly needs a hyperdrive, but I’m not sure if that was the original intent. In the older Superman comics stuff was always just drifting from Krypton to earth with no propulsion at all more less a hyperdrive. Writers didn’t always think that stuff through, and Lucas probably didn’t either.

Indeed, the Falcon famously went from the Anoat system to Bespin sans hyperdrive, so clearly spacial distances are not a huge concern in the SW universe (I bet there’s a debate about that little trip somewhere in these forums!)…

I get that and agree but as to the basic question of whether it uses a hyperdrive or not…of course it does otherwise it would never get anywhere it’s needed. Hell, the galaxy would implode naturally by the time they could get to another target.

Yeah, I mean, when we consider how long it takes to get in sight of the fourth moon…

Yeah, I …uhh…what? 😃

We don’t see the Death Star arrive at Yavin, but but we do see that it takes it 30 minutes to get in sight of the Rebel base on the fourth moon. Considering it took the Falcon less than 30 seconds to do the same, I think it’s a fair assumption that it’d take the Death Star a looooooong time to get to Yavin without a hyperdrive.

Gotcha…My SW knowledge memory ain’t the best.

DominicCobb said:

Creox said:

Shopping Maul said:

Michael Ward said:

Creox said:

With regards to the DS being able to use a hyperdrive. I am stunned that people think it wouldn’t. Space is really, really big…I mean, really big. For the DS to not be able to fly at lightspeed would render it completely useless for striking fear into the galaxy.

Of course it realisticly needs a hyperdrive, but I’m not sure if that was the original intent. In the older Superman comics stuff was always just drifting from Krypton to earth with no propulsion at all more less a hyperdrive. Writers didn’t always think that stuff through, and Lucas probably didn’t either.

Indeed, the Falcon famously went from the Anoat system to Bespin sans hyperdrive, so clearly spacial distances are not a huge concern in the SW universe (I bet there’s a debate about that little trip somewhere in these forums!)…

I get that and agree but as to the basic question of whether it uses a hyperdrive or not…of course it does otherwise it would never get anywhere it’s needed. Hell, the galaxy would implode naturally by the time they could get to another target.

Yeah, I mean, when we consider how long it takes to get in sight of the fourth moon…

Yeah, I …uhh…what? 😃

Shopping Maul said:

Michael Ward said:

Creox said:

With regards to the DS being able to use a hyperdrive. I am stunned that people think it wouldn’t. Space is really, really big…I mean, really big. For the DS to not be able to fly at lightspeed would render it completely useless for striking fear into the galaxy.

Of course it realisticly needs a hyperdrive, but I’m not sure if that was the original intent. In the older Superman comics stuff was always just drifting from Krypton to earth with no propulsion at all more less a hyperdrive. Writers didn’t always think that stuff through, and Lucas probably didn’t either.

Indeed, the Falcon famously went from the Anoat system to Bespin sans hyperdrive, so clearly spacial distances are not a huge concern in the SW universe (I bet there’s a debate about that little trip somewhere in these forums!)…

I get that and agree but as to the basic question of whether it uses a hyperdrive or not…of course it does otherwise it would never get anywhere it’s needed. Hell, the galaxy would implode naturally by the time they could get to another target.