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#179818
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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You know now that I look at them again, 1 maybe better than 3. In either event, consistency is definitely what we want to go for here. The teal color of Luke's saber in Ben's house is a special effects error, just like the white color of his saber on the Falcon. Also, the purple hand is far less noticeable in motion. I'd suggest letting it slide for now; if it ends up being too evident and distracting that can be dealt with later.
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#179797
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/179797/action/topic#179797
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Nice to see you're experimenting with the rotoscoping. I thought clip 3 was great and if all the shots looked that way we'd be in business, but maybe I'm missing something. The purple hand is a concern, but may I suggest either adding a blue aura to it, or what I did (with this still picture) is use an "Antique" effect with a "Paintbrush" feature. I have no idea as to the specifics of the program you're using, but that seemed to work for me with a still; not sure if you can do something like that in motion. The "Antique" option seems to be better than a "Cool" option would be, because it works well with Mace's hand color and robe color. Just something to keep in mind.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/Jedi_Jackson/image20copy9do-nopurple.jpg
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#178883
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WANTED: Rotoscoper
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/178883/action/topic#178883
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Hello all.

I am making a request on behalf of "Starkiller Ranch," a fan edit project encompassing the entire Star Wars saga. We are in need of a team member who is an expert of rotoscoping lightsabers. Assuming it is possible, our plan is to recolor and repair special effects of several lightsaber in the saga.

In the OT, particularly ANH, we are just looking to improve the effects so that the lightsabers are consistent throughout the movie, the trilogy, and thusly the entire saga.

In the PT, we have a much more complicated agenda. This involves re-coloring several lightsaber blades. We are not sure on the logistics of this, but if possible it would be a huge stylistic addition to the saga. To give you an idea of what we're looking to accomplish:
Mace Windu: Blue
Grievous: Red (and possibly purple as well)
Anakin: Red (possibly, for a portion of RotS)
Dooku: Purple (possibly)

We know this will be an extensive project, so we are looking for someone specifically for rotoscoping, no other responsibilities. We have all other areas covered. Of course whatever other creative input this person would have would be more than welcome. If there is anyone on the boards that would be interested in and capable of undertaking this extensive project, or if anyone knows of someone out there who might be interested and capable, please let us know.

Thank You,
Commander Courage
Starkiller Ranch
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#176912
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The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/176912/action/topic#176912
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The redubbing of Owen has opened up all new possibilities. Without saying too much, I think everything is going to work out just fine.

And in response to YIYF, the Owen remembering 3PO thing has been an issue with fans ever since AotC came out. I've never really had a problem with it, and I don't think it's a continuity glitch in out edit either. 3PO looks totally different, and Owen never learns his name. The only interaction they had was when the droids were being purchased. I'm sure eventually Owen would have realized who he was, but things didn't go that way.
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#176380
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The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/176380/action/topic#176380
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Yoda Is Your Father's plan really does seem the most feasible. Though I'd really like to keep the Star Wars tradition of having the droids in every film. ID already pointed out the reasoning behind the TC-14/C-3PO connection, but the problem would be the transition from I to III. It would be assumed that he was left on Naboo and reprogrammed after I, and maybe we could find a cameo for him in II, so when he resurfaces in III it's not just out of nowhere. And even if we could find appropriate dialogue for an explanation, where would this exposition possibly fit? These are our options:

1) Anakin builds C-3PO. The history of his character remains the same as in the offical versions.

2) C-3PO is introduced in II at the Lars Homestead. His introductory dialogue is reworked. The big issue here would be explaining Anakin and Padme taking him with them when they leave.

3) C-3PO takes the place of TC-14 in I. We can explore various means of expanding his presence in the film. We'd have to make it evident he was left on the planet and given a memory wipe. These plotpoints could be dealt with in I or II, depending on what we can fit where with what dialogue. He remains Padme's servant in II and III; only a minor cameo would need to be worked into II. The droid at the Lars Homestead wouls be redubbed as a different droid.
3A) C-3PO takes the place of TC-14 in I. We can explore various means of expanding his presence in the film. We'd have to make it evident he was left on the planet and survied the end battle. When we get to the Lars Homestead in II, we can try to work in some exposition about how he came to be there. Or maybe we could leave it vague, with neither party know that 3PO was ever owned by the Trade Federation. When you can't explain it, leave it to the imaginiation. The issue would again arise, however, why do Anakin and Padme take him with them when they leave?

4) C-3PO is introduced in III as Padme's servant. He and R2 meet after the Invisible Hand rescue (Yoda Is Your Father's suggestion).

1 obviously would require the least work. 4 would take significant editing in I and II, but on the whole it wouldn't be too complicated. 2 would take some effort to explain why he leaves Tatooine (though this is never explained in the original, it is explained away as Anakin being his maker). Either 3 would require the most work, but would ultimately be the most rewarding if we could find a way to do it. These are out options gentlemen. What to do, what to do...
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#174215
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The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/174215/action/topic#174215
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Thanks for the input TM! A few responses:

-The voice of Grievous: I wouldn't make it TOO different between I and III. The audio is going to be an important connection between the character in I and the character in III, as the visuals are different enough.

-Cutting C-3PO from the film: Tempting, and quite easy to accomplish. But then we have the problem of II and his relation to Anakin. No, I think 3PO in I is a necessary evil so to speak. Without it things would get even more confusing. Though I wish Lucas would release the original footage of him in his skeletal form in II, and the scenes with Padme completing him. Who know's if they's be of any use to us or not, but it would be interesting to see regardless. Question: Your last statement made me think in your edit you've made it to where Anakin did not build C-3PO. Is that the case? If so then my eariler argument against cutting him from I is void and he should be edited out immediately!

-Episode III: This will all depend on who will be doing how much on the project, and we can deal with that when the time comes. I definitely think bringing out the Obi-Wan/Padme suspicions of Anakin would be a good move. Once again, I wish Lucas would have released the scene of Obi-Wan visiting Padme to discuss his worries over Anakin. It would have been a good character building scene, and Anakin even senses his presence there later in the film. I'm looking forward to seeing your ideas about Qui-Gon interfering in Anakin's nightmares as well. As for everything else, what do you think of the removal of "Darth" as a title?

Btw, I really liked your suggestion of placing Peter Cushing next to Palpatine in the Senate. That hadn't even crossed my mind but would be an excellent addition. Hopefully we can find more special effects people to assist us with those types of shots.
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#174175
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The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/174175/action/topic#174175
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Maul/Grievous and the Sith:
-We had considered a scene where the Nemoidians dispatch him to find the Queen, but instead decided an offhand reference by Nute would be the better way to go. This makes M/G's introduction much more pronounced and intriguing (especially with InfoDroid's new music selection). This would be akin to Vader appearing on the Tantive IV. His connection to the Nemoidians will be explain in his reporting to them in later scenes.
-He will need to be dubbed in both I and III. Obviously by the same person. Since we are retaining none of his original dialogue, his voice can sound however he choose. That said, his original voice was awesome and I would like his new one to be as close to that as possible.
-I've discussed this with MTH and ID, and in this saga we are going to do away with "Darth" as a title for the Sith. The Maul character will be "Lord Grievous" in I (and in III to Sidious), and "General Grievous" in III. Dooku (though we wish we could change his name, it's too extensive to alter), will be "Count Dooku." At the end of II, Sidious will refer to him as "Lord Dooku." Sidious is the tricky one, though "Lord Sidious" shouldn't be too much of a problem. Anakin will be refered to as such until he gets the suit. I always thought it would be cool if he were "Darth Vader" before the suit, but the execution in III left a lot to be desired, so his Sith title will be reworked. The only other "Darth" will be Plagious, who we can assume Sidious names Anakin in honor of.
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#174148
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The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/174148/action/topic#174148
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MTH:
I admire your ideas to radically change the structure of the film, but many of the alterations will not work in the big picture. Moving 3PO's introduction to later leaves no room for dinner to be prepared as it were, and ends the scene very awkwardly. In this scenario we'd have "I'm Qui-Gon Jinn. Your son was kind enough to offer us shelter." BOOM, scene change. In it's original form it flows nicely into the 3PO scene; I don't think anything else could come after it and feel natural.

I don't know if I was the only person under this impression, but I thought we spent 3 days on Tatooine. Day 1: Arrival, Watto's, Sandstorm, Dinner. Day 2: Deal with Watto, Anakin finished racer. Day 3: Pod Race, Freedom, Departure. Notice when Qui-Gon goes back to Watto's shop it is in the middle of the day, and there is no trace of the sandstorm. I also always thought Obi-Wan contacts Qui-Gon about Sio Bibble's message at night, which is after dinner. Regardless if it was intended to be 2 days or 3, in this version it's going to be 3. Maul/Grievous will arrive after "Either way we're runnig out of time," confirming the night setting.

I'd be open to experimentation with moving the Qui-Gon/Shmi scene to Anakin leaving home, but I have my doubts as to whether it will flow. As for cutting Qui-Gon's bet for Anakin's freedom, again I understand what you're going for here but the way things are set up in the film this would make things extremely confusing. We would have no idea what Qui-Gon or Watto are talking about in their meeting after the pod race. And later when Qui-Gon explains he tried to free Shmi but Watto wouldn't have it, that's too much information to brush over and "reveal" later in the movie. The nauture of the film does not give itself to this delayed reveal.

The beats as I see them:
Anakin's Hovel
3PO
Gunray and Bibble
Dinner
Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan (Combine their communicator talks/more detial later)
Maul/Grievous Arrives (Probe Droids sprinkled in where they'll fit)
Deal With Watto
SOMETHING ELSE
Anakin Activates Racer
SOMETHING ELSE (I'm leaning towards cutting the Qui-Gon/Anakin night scene entirely, not just the midichlorine bits.)
Pod Hangar/"I'll take that bet."
Pod Race
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#174057
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The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/174057/action/topic#174057
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Darth Preston:

Slow Motion: I agree with your view on its use. We're not going Peter Jackson on the movies, we'll be using it to extend certain shots here and there. The goal is to make it look natural. If you can tell it's been slowed down the idea will be scrapped as it will stick out and detract from the scene in question. I like your suggestion of Anakin staring at Maul. I would like to make a connection between the characters some place as well, especially since we're continuing Maul's charcater into Grievous. We'll have to look over the available footage and see what we can come up with.


-Show the clip of them entering the house, anakin shaking the dust off and cut the clip right before "mom, mom i'm home". Add in an audio clip of shmi saying "anakin?" (from the "anakin its your bedtime" scene).

I like that, only I'd add Shmi's line after "Mom, I'm home." It would be a response to all these strangers in her home. Shmi's tone of voice works well here. This would set up the next line, an explanation ("These are my friends, mom.") As for everything else in this scene, I'd leave it the way it was in the original. The only thing I'd cut would be "I’m building a droid, wanna see?" Of course if we were to move the 3PO scene to later in the film more work would have to be done. If we can find an appropriate place for it later then sure, but it not then we should leave it be. Altering any 3PO dialogue is extremely easy as stated several times already in this thread. The trick is not to go overboard. Even though we have a lot to work with, many of his lines are fine as they are and should be left as such. Plus this gives Shmi a chance to get dinner ready.


When it gets to the point where anakin looks at qui-gon and says " your a jedi knight arn't you?" (add in a little bit of that "magical" sounding Star wars music)
-Take the shot of qui-gon looking up at him and use the "slow down" method so it appears that he's a little more shocked by the statement.

Yes, something akin to when Obi-Wan pulls back his hood in ANH, mystical chimes (perhaps even an altered version of that very cue. Extending Qui-Gon raising his head is a good idea too; we should definitely experiment with that. Other than that, the only alterations I'd make to the dinner scene would be cutting some dialogue for various reasons:
-Cut “Boom!”
-Cut “I can’t believe there’s still slavery in the galaxy.”
-Cut “I had a dream I was a Jedi. I came back here and freed all the slaves.”
-Cut Qui-Gon’s “Podracing” before he says “Greed can be a powerful ally.”

Regardless of the placing of the 3PO scene, I think all your suggestions are valid one and should be experimented with. But definitely cut “Oops!” and “I’m building a pod racer!”

I haven’t really thought this scene through completely, but maybe we should insert Sio Bibble’s scene with Nute before the Royal Ship receives the transmission. We can have the subtitles say they’re making him send it or they’ll kill his family or something. This would go before all of this, as Obi-Wan reports it to Qui-Gon after the dinner scene. Maul/Grievous' arrival would come after Qui-Gon's "Either way we're running out of time." This is a good dramatic place for it, as in the original the following scene was the Sith on Coruscant.

Qui-Gon's Deal with Watto:
Adding sound effects to the environment is a good idea, but if done here it would also needed to be done to the earlier scene in Watto's shop. Nothing too obtrusive, but enough to enhance the working nature of the store. Music experimentation is always welcome. As for Anakin, the only thing I'd cut would be "It wasn't my fault, really!" If there's anything else he does that's offensive I didn't notice it.


As qui-gon is ending his transmission with obi wan , it is halted after qui-gon says "a ship without a power supply isn't going to get us anywhere". End transmission. I feel that has a better flow than mentioning "theres something about this boy".......then hanging up in obiwans face right as he was onto a revelation.

I never thought about it this way. That is more of a "Captain's Log" way to say things than a conversation. I suppose it should go. I don't think that line would meld into the talk in the desert though. But I totally agree that scene needs to be reworked, as Obi-Wan is just disrespectful. Also, certain shot will need to be flipped to account for Obi-Wan's braid being on the wrong side.

Qui-Gon/Shmi scene: It has been suggested this be moved to later when Anakin leaves home. If so some of the dialogue would have to be altered. Thoughts? (I think it’s fine where it is.) Other than that I think it's a wonderful scene with no editing required. Cutting out midichlorines doesn't make it necessary to cut out the virgin birth. Something has to be especially special about Anakin to make him the Chosen One, something that I think was lost in MagnoliaFan's version when cutting this plotpoint.

I like 3PO and R2’s quips about Jar-Jar, but for the good of the scene we should probably cut them, starting the “activating the pod” scene with Kister saying “You don’t even know if this thing’s gonna run!” Then it would continue as per the original version.

The Pod Race is something to come back to, agreed.

-After the podrace we have the scene with watto and quigon, which is pretty good all the way through. I don't really have any problems. Adding some music to the scene will put some character into it. I'll look at it again and see if there is any dialouge that can be trimmed down.

No dialogue trimming, but definitely some music. MagnoliaFan added some of Jabba's theme when Qui-Gon mentions the Hutts. That's what we want to go for.

-When quigon is going back with anakin to their house I would cut out the dialouge they have "these are yours"...."YES!". Just music and the image of him handing the boy his prize.

Good idea. I'm on the fence as to whether the Greedo fight should be re-inserted.

Freedom scene:
Cut:
-“Did you here that?”
-”Now you can make your dreams come true, Ani. You’re free.”
-”You mean I get to go with you, in your starship?” (if we can cut it)
-”Yipee!”
-”You’re coming with us aren’t you mom? (accompanying shot and Qui-Gon reaction)
The 3PO goodbye scene definitely needs work. Thoughts?
Cut:
-“Yes…I guess.”
-”Then we will se each other again.”
-”I will come back and free you mom, I promise.”

Re-insert deleted probe droid scene (just the part after Jira). Then comes the Maul/Probe Droid scene. Cut “Qui-Gon sir wait, I’m tired!” In the ship cut:
-“What are we going to do about it?”
-”We should be patient.”
-”You’re a Jedi too?”
There was the idea of playing “Pleased to meet you” over the ship leaving Tatooine (because of the goofy visuals). Thoughts?

I have sent the Master List to ID and TJ. Just so everyone is in the know, much of the opening has been revamped, as many of the ideas we were trying for just didn't translate well when edited together. Our goal here at Starkiller Ranch is to present the best possible version of Star Wars, and that's what we intend to do.
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#171804
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The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/171804/action/topic#171804
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What are you referring to, ID?

As for Jar-Jar stepping in poodoo, I think if we cut to the next shot right after Padme says, "Like us," then it won't be a problem.

Also keep in mind (as TJ has already pointed out), these are very rough cuts. Things to be added include: Natalie Portman Dialogue as she joins the group traveling into town, an extended hike from the ship to the city (compositing the characters into other desert footage is the tentative plan), Watto humming the Cantina theme before the group enters his shop, and Anakin's first line "Are you an angel?" being telepathic, echoing on Padme's head, not to mention the dubbed and subtitled Jar-Jar and a new musical flow. This clip is far from finished, and the danger of posting such material is negative reaction, but the idea was to inject some life back into the thread, so in that sense I think it was effective.
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#171573
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The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/171573/action/topic#171573
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Look what happens when my internet goes down: progress! I'm actually not on my own computer right now so this is going to be brief, but here's my input on the latest developments:

-Script: I'd definitely be up for helping out, and in fact was going to suggest doing seeing how much MTH has been doing (and how little I've been contributing lateley).
-Sebulba's Introduction: "I hate Gungans" may be the best option, but we'll have to take a look at the footage and what we have to work with. I've always thought the group tagging along with Anakin to buy fruit was odd, but maybe offscreen he offered to buy them some, as he gives them to Qui-Gon. Making Anakin intuitively sense Qui-Gon is a Jedi would be a nice touch, but doing so would lose some of the best dialogue in the movie. "Perhaps I killed a Jedi and took it from him./I don't think so. No one can kill a Jedi./I wish that were so." So I'd say leave the fruit stand/lightsaber reveal in.
-Pod Race: I think MagnoliaFan did an excellent job with this, and we should definitely use his as a blueprint. Editing out Jabba, the announcers, the majority of the introductions, and utilizing some of the extended scenes from the DVD was all great. The Shadows of the Empire music was perfect as well.
-Threepio: I don't know how much we can alter his dialouge, but Anthony Daniels has done so much Star Wars material over the years there's certainly a multitude of sources to draw from.
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#170373
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/170373/action/topic#170373
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TM:

-I'm glad you like my revised dialogue suggestions and hope you incorporate them in your final edit.
-Sifo-Dyas/Qui-Gon: The logistics of this will have to be hammered out, but if you're open to the idea I hope we can find a way of getting it done. This will tie into the extended ending with Sidious and Dooku, as that's where an explanation will be needed.
-The Lama-Su dialogue is good. I don't know if you'd had a chance yet but I'd again suggest checking out "The Island" to see if there's anything you can use on the Obi-Wan end of the cloning discussion.
-My final opinion on Padme's bedroom scene: cut it entirely.
-I love what you'ce done with the chase.
-Shmi's funeral at sunset: brilliant! It would be great if you could accomplish this all the way through. I would suggest a wipe transition between Geonosis and Tatooine though. And obviously Cliegg's dialogue will need to be muted.
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#169058
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Random: Webpage Sound Effect Question
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/169058/action/topic#169058
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This is a completely random question, but I think this is the best place for it on the forum. I'm wanting to make a webpage with a repeated image and a looping sound effect. Maybe some of you remember back when RotS came out and making fun of Darth Vader's "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" was the thing to do. There was a webpage like this with a picture of the scene and the looping sound effect. This is what I'm, going for. I want a picture of screaming Superman in the junkyard from Superman III with a looping scream. I know it's silly, but if anyone can help me out I'd appreciate it.
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#168416
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The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/168416/action/topic#168416
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
We can't call Episode II "Dark Force Rising." That title is reserved for the second entry in the great Thrawn trilogy of novels.

Yes, I know. That's where I got the idea.

And if you haven't noticed this project has totally disregarded the EU. If we wanted to to title the movies...

Episode I: Cloak of Deception
Episode II: Dark Force Rising
Episode III: Labyrinth of Evil
Episode IV: The New Rebellion
Episode V: Shadows of the Empire
Episode VI: Destiny's Way

...we could.
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#168412
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/168412/action/topic#168412
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This is my going through your notes and commenting on things I felt the need to comment on. It will be very long, and I'm sure there will be more in the future, but for now:

CROP FRAME WHEREVER POSSIBLE TO REMOVE ANAKIN’S PONYTAIL
A noble idea, but futile when it comes down to it. It's impossible to remove in every shot, and Obi-Wan's will br prominent in Episode I as well. So I would say don't concern yourself too much with this.

CUT ALL UTTERANCES OF “MOM” and “DAD”, and “BOYFRIEND/GIRLFRIEND”

I agree, these casual references to people just don't seem right for these characters in these circumstances.

REMOVE “ANNIE” EXCEPT FOR SHMI

I think I suggested this, but maybe we both thought of it independently. Anyway, this is a MUST for the entire PT.

Conference Room Scene Suggestion:
(This is a bit different from yours. Notice Padme does not ask "Do you have any idea who's behind this attack," because Mace's answer would be total BS. Don't ask, don't tell.)
EXT. Chancellor's office - Day
INT. Chancellor's office - Continuous
Ki-Adi-Mundi: He is a political idealist, not a murderer.
Mace: You know Dooku was once a jedi. He couldn't assassinate anyone.
Palpatine: But more and more star systems are joining the seperatists. I don't know how much longer I can hold off...
Palpatine: ...I don't know how much longer I can...
Mace: If they do break away...
Palpatine: My negotiations will not fail.
Mace: If they do, you must realize that there aren't enough Jedi to protect the Republic. We're keepers of the peace not soldiers.
Palpatine: Master Yoda, do you really think it will come to war?
Yoda: The dark side clouds everything. Impossible to see, the future is.
Rodian: The loyalist committee has arrived, Chancellor. They await your convenience.
Palpatine: Send them in.
Yoda: Senator Amidala. In grave danger, you are.
Palpatine: Master Jedi, may I suggest the senator be placed under the protection of your graces.
Padme: If I may comment, I don't believe the situation...
Palpatine:...is that serious? Oh but I do [your majesty].
(Rest of scene as you laid out)

Deleting the elevator scene is excellent. That of course brings us to the character of Jar-Jar. I don't think any of us have a clear idea of what we want to do with his character at this point. I do like him commenting on Obi-Wan's beard, though. The rest of the scene is great, and yes Obi-Wan SHOULD call her "Padme." A better transition between this scene and the next with Obi-Wan and Anakin might be some shots of the city (that's what MagnoliaFan did in TCW), but if the fade-to-blacks work well I say keep them as they are nice editing continuity from ANH.

We've already discussed the Ceti Alpha V Eel. It's a good concept, but if it won't blend in seemlessly I say we're best without it. Everthing regarding the Coruscant chase sounds great. I look forward to your music choices as well. If at all possible I'd really like to include "I've heard this lesson before," "You haven't learned anything Anakin." I see no problem with Zam's reference to "bounty hunter" and think it should remain. Those of Jango's profession are referred to as such in ESB.

You seem to have a very clear idea of what you're doing with the dreams. Although I would prefer some consistency in the dreams (from II to III), you've said they will be totally different in style, and I have my reservations on overlaying the dream footage with Anakin in bed, but if you say it works...

Missing Kamino Scene Suggestion:
(Entire library scene)
Jocosta Nu: If an item does not appear in our records, it does not exist!
She walks off, Obi-Wan stares at computer.
Wide shot of Obi-Wan sitting at computer, Yoda (V.O.): The data must have been erased.
CUT to end of Younglings scene, continuing conversation.
Obi-Wan: But Master Yoda who could have erased information from the archives? That's impossible, isn't it?
Yoda: Dangerous and disturbing this puzzle is. Only a Jedi could have erased those files. But who and why, harder to answer. Meditate on this, I will. May the Force be with you.
(I don't see why you altered the end dialogue the way you did. The only problem I could see would be "only a Jedi..." but we're inferring it's Dooku so that won't be a problem. Also w/out that "who and why" don't make any sense. So I say leave the dialogue there as-is).

I think the order of Padme's family scene should be: Arrival, Dinner, Kitchen, Room. Maybe even delete the room scene all together. Portman's delivery is especially flat there, and there's no real appeal to the scene. The "you die if you're unable to adapt" message of course, but still I think it might be best if it was jettisoned. Also putting it before the dinner scene makes little sense as that's when they first talk to the family (at dinner). Surely they would have done so previously on the way to her room. I hope I'm making sense.

I still think replacing "Sypho-Dias" with "Qui-Gon" would be a neat way to do things if appropriate readings by McGregor could be found. Then at the end of the film it could be inferred that Dooku ordered the clones in his former apprentice's name. Too complicated? Maybe. But much more intriguing than the current strategy.

Yes, cut the hair-combing scene in III and utilize the dialogue for the balcony/fireplace scene.

Nute Gunray: we need to establish what exactly we're doing with this character. Is he going to die in I? I'm still not convinced of the logistics of that. That will obviously have a major impact on where we go in II with either him or his brother Carl.

Voice of Qui-Gon: The repeated clip of "Anakin!" is very obvious. Either plug in a different, more subdued reading in the place on the fist one, or just cut it down to one "Anakin!" As for the "No!", in Narnia the Beaver yells "No!" and although it's not Neeson I couldn't help but think how much it sounded like him. That's the best source for an alternate "No!" here I've heard. It would be a shame to have to wait until an official DVD to utilixe it or any of the other great dialogue Neeson has as Aslan...

We've discussed the Battle of Geonosis to death, so I think we've got all that down pretty well.

The ending scene between Dooku and Sidious must be extended one way or another. Establishing who ordered the clones and erased the files if we can. Then there is of course the possible Greivous construction scene. Still in need of greater discussion.

Everything else we've either talked about so much I'm in total agreement or I just dont care anymore.
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#168324
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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Trooperman: I've read over your notes, very interesting and I'll be sure to put together an organized response when I get the time. For now though, I've been wondering how do you change the key of all those music tracks? I assume it's with some type of music orchestration program but I could be way off. Such knowledge would be beneficial to us over at Starkiller Ranch.
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#168320
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The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/168320/action/topic#168320
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Though for now I am leaning toward STAR WARS: Episode _ for all the titles, one title in particular I've had in mind for Episode II for a long time is "Dark Force Rising" or "Dark Force Ascendent." That seems like an appropriate title for the Episode I of this saga, but with II being "Shroud of the Dark Side" that would probably be too much "Darkness" in our titles.
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#167803
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The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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The Titles:
-If we're going for a saga feel, it would be nice to have alternate titles for all the movies.
-The idea of the first film being simply "Star Wars" does have it's appeal.
-To set this saga apart, ID's suggestion of solely episode #s just might do it for me.

The dilemma with the third option would be whether or not to subtitle the first film "Episode I," as all the others would be "Episode _". And what would TM think of not using "Shroud of the Dark Side"?

Arrival on Tatooine:
I'm all for changing things, but if it becomes obvious some changes are not going to be seemless, I have no problem in leaving things the way they were originally. That's where I stand on this sequence. Utilizing the Tatooine music from ANH is acceptable only if it is cleverly edited and not tracked. Trooperman often changes the key in music making it different enough as to not be a complete repeat. That's another route we can take (though I don't know what he uses to make those changes). "Dune" would also be a good source for desert footage, and would certainly blend in a lot better than "Lawrence of Arabia" (one would think so at least).

Liam Neeson:
It would be a great help to have a complete resource of Liam Neeson dialogue along the same lines as the Christopher Lee posts a few pages back. Batman Begins, Kingdom of Heaven, and The Chronicles of Narnia are all excellent sources for alternate/additional Qui-Gon dialogue. BB is going to be the easy one to document, as it's ver popular and many of us on this board own it. KoH, not so much, and Narnia is a ways off from being officially released. Any help in this area would be greatly appreciated.