Commander Courage

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Post: #256652
Topic: Star Wars: REBORN - The Complete Saga (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/256652/action/topic#256652
Time: 13-Nov-2006 11:21 PM

Great work! I think I like that one better than the RotJ trailer!

Not that this matters in the grand scheme of things, but my only issue with the trailer was that there seemed to be an excessive amount of the "white noise" buildup to the next section of music, in particular right before "He will join us or die," and Luke chopping off Vader's head.

Post: #256651
Topic: Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/256651/action/topic#256651
Time: 13-Nov-2006 11:13 PM

Originally posted by: THX
To my eyes, 11B is perfect - or at least as good as it can get (the only thing that hasn't been experimented with is making the outer "Star Wars" box outline rather than solid). All the 11s look professional to me, while all the 12s look amateur. I think this is because of the squashed top row. Differently scaled lettering is fine, but you shouldn't mess with the (ahem) aspect ratio. None of the OT logos do, not even the "Faces" ones. Not that they should be used as a reference, IMHO, since they are the SE logos.

So 11B is my choice. Ultimately, though, there is only one opinion that counts - Trooperman's.

I agree with THX 100%.

Post: #256316
Topic: Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/256316/action/topic#256316
Time: 11-Nov-2006 2:31 PM

That's a good start to the cover. What I would suggest is "blending" the picture so the Clonetroopers are in front of the droids and Trade Federation ship. This would allow the entire painting to be used on one side, as if we're going for a movie poster style we wouldn't want a "wrap-around" cover. Then the "concept art characters" could be photoshopped in over the crashed ship, though I have no idea what character artwork to use. Am I making sense?

Post: #256108
Topic: Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/256108/action/topic#256108
Time: 10-Nov-2006 1:29 PM

9A or 10 B for me. Great work all around, klokwerk.

Post: #256107
Topic: STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/256107/action/topic#256107
Time: 10-Nov-2006 1:27 PM

I would be willing to contribute to the Adywan fund as well. Just say the word.

Eros: I am of the same mind when it comes to the gunport sequence; it's slow, unecessary, and dare I say, boring. However, it does establish that Luke can hold his own in space combat, which I think was one of the intentions of the scene (that and to have some space action before all the exposition preceeding the final battle). This is one of the most memorable sequnces in ANH, even if it is a bit dissapointing when compared to the space battles of ESB, RotJ, and the PT, and would be a difficult thing to cut. I don't know what Adywan has planned for this, but just making the Falcon move instead of standing still in space would greatly improve the sequence.

Post: #255604
Topic: Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255604/action/topic#255604
Time: 8-Nov-2006 3:02 PM

The font and logo concepts look great, but I do have a problem with the latest cover art suggestion. Don't get me wrong, I like it a lot, but it's pre-Episode II fan art, and depicts something that does not happen in the actual film. I'm all for stylized OT-esque covers, but there is so much "official" material to work with I don't think we need to settle for a five year old fan manipulation.

Post: #255601
Topic: STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255601/action/topic#255601
Time: 8-Nov-2006 2:54 PM

Originally posted by: adywan
I've tried a few different colours & planets and the blue is definately the best. Any other colour just stands out too much with the grey pallet of the death star & ships. I used a plate that had no land mass so it looks more like a water planet than Alderaan.

Hmmm...Kamino?

It is a "hidden" system, after all.

Post: #255122
Topic: STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255122/action/topic#255122
Time: 6-Nov-2006 4:51 PM

Adywan: AMAZING. In my opinion if you're going to do a fan edit, it needs to be done professionally. If there's anything that isn't seemless or takes you out of the movie, you've undermined what you've set out to do. And you sir have done a knockout job thusfar. From the radical new special effects shots to the subtle additional music, this is shaping up to be the edit to end all edits. I'm sure we all can understand the "real world" issues that take prescedence and will gladly wait however long it takes for this project to be completed.

A couple of suggestion, if I may:

-There was the idea (I believe it was ErikStormtrooper's) in the Starkiller Ranch thread that the 2nd Death Star was in construction over Mustafar. I that case I disagreed, as in its condition above Endor I didn't think it would be going anywhere. That said, if you're going to use a planet in the background of the DS1's into, why not Mustafar? The only drawback there I could see would be a lack of available "background plates" for the lava planet.

-While the "Imperial March" is an essential piece to be included, what do you think about retaining ANH's "Imperial Theme" througout the saga as the "Death Star Theme"? This way you could keep the ANH theme in the films, and mix up the music of the Empire a bit, as you wouldn't want to overplay the March.

Post: #254785
Topic: What did the Prequel Trilogy need?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254785/action/topic#254785
Time: 4-Nov-2006 12:37 AM

I thought I could find the quote on the web:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sequel_trilogy

Post: #254771
Topic: What did the Prequel Trilogy need?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254771/action/topic#254771
Time: 3-Nov-2006 10:26 PM

Originally posted by: JamesEightBitStar
In another topic, Go-Mer said he had once heard a rumor about a character getting frozen in the prequel trilogy, and then getting thawed out in the sequel.

Yes, IIRC, that came from a RotJ-era interview about future Star Wars movies. Lucas said the sequels would be about "a character frozen in Star Wars III, and their adventures." Maybe someone else knows the exact context.

In this thread we've already discussed Han being frozen for the 20 year span between Episode VI and VII. That's similar to the plotpoint you brought up.

Post: #254614
Topic: What did the Prequel Trilogy need?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254614/action/topic#254614
Time: 2-Nov-2006 11:54 PM

The way I see it, if we're doing away with the concept of "Darth" being a Sith title, it shouldn't be a personalized Sith title, either. I understand and agree with you wanting to show how the Jedi and Sith are two sides of the same coin, but this is one area where I think a direct parallel isn't necessary. In fact, it's a reversal of how things go in Lucas' universe in which the Jedi go through no name changes as they work their way through the ranks, but all Sith are dubbed "Darth ____" when joining the order.

Post: #254338
Topic: Another bloody edit of TPM (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254338/action/topic#254338
Time: 1-Nov-2006 2:35 PM

I really like that crawl, Erik. The last paragraph could use some work but on the whole, a great job. The opening sentence is worthy of "Star Wars."

On "this being Starkiller Ep1": I wouldn't like to commit to that at this stage. We've barely met! I'm not ready yet... I haven't even finished the training!

I understand; that's just something to think about. It's a big responsibility after all.

Post: #254251
Topic: Another bloody edit of TPM (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254251/action/topic#254251
Time: 31-Oct-2006 11:53 PM

Welcome to the boards, lth!

As the current "spokesperson" for Starkiller Ranch, let me say I am very happy that you wish to make a compatible edit. I don't know if you are aware of the Ranch's current condition, but it's in a bit of a state of limbo as I am unable to take on the load of the project at this time and as of yet no one else has stepped up to "take the reins." Your ideas seem very close to what was discussed in the Ranch thread, so if you're willing, I don't see why your edit can't BE Starkiller Ranch: Episode I. There would be some other things to discuss of course, but that's an option that's out there for you. But for now, just some general comments on your outline:

-The Title:
For whatever reason, I realy like "Master and Apprentice." Maybe because it's so different from anything that's been suggested before.
-The Beginning:
There have been suggestions to go straight to the running the blockade scene aftet the opening crawl. I think this WAY to drastic an edit as you lose a lot of good Jedi action on the Trade Federation ship. Not to mention cut a a HUGE chunk of the movie. The Naboo and Gungan stuff can be edited down, but the set-up on Naboo is essential for the return and end battles to work.
-Viceroy and the Sith:
If you were wanting to keep in the spirit of Starkiller Ranch, originally we had planned on Darth Sidious not appearing in Episode I. He is only hinted at in dialogue and the Nemoidians are the ones who call the shots, as far as the audience is concerned. With some special effects trickery, Gunray was supposed to order around Darth Maul via hologram. What are your thoguhts on this kind of alteration?
Also, if you're looking for languages, I've said this before and I'll say it again, "The Passion of the Christ" dialogue fits the Nemoidians PERFECTLY. Of course there the is the question of there being enough source material, but I would love to see this happen in an edit if possible.
-The Droids:
I'm of the opinon the droids should both be in every film, but Anakin building C-3PO is just unacceptable. There is another way of working 3PO into Episode I you could consider, but I don't want to spoil it for everyone.

-Qui-Gon:
We are on the same wavelength when it comes to Qui-Gon. Though I think the Pod Race is too early for a Force connection between him and Anakin, the space battle is a must. However, we thuroughly examined what we had to work with when doing the Ranch and could just not find the shots necessary for this to work. That was incredibly furstrating b/c making the TPM/ANH parallel was essential in our eyes to making this edit work. Maybe you can find a way to accomplish this.
-The End:
Ending the film with Qui-Gon's funeral never worked for me personally as the celebration seemed so mandatory, but lately I've come to see the advantages of such an edit and would support it as long as it flowed.

I look forward to dicussing this more with you.

Post: #254246
Topic: What did the Prequel Trilogy need?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254246/action/topic#254246
Time: 31-Oct-2006 11:18 PM

I'm not too sure about those names, aural. I do like the concept, but it just sounds...weird. A good compromise would be Darth Vader always being Darth Vader, as he never becomes a Jedi Knight and he is not required to change his name to become a Sith. I can live with Anakin being Jai-Yun for a while; Obi-Wan and Padme would call him "Anakin" anyway.

Post: #253997
Topic: Star Wars: REBORN - The Complete Saga (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253997/action/topic#253997
Time: 29-Oct-2006 9:32 PM

Originally posted by: Trooperman
This is a shame CC- I wasn't aware of this. Hopefully after SOTDS is released, some other adventurous person with some spare time will want to continue the series.

Yes, in the end Starkiller Ranch proved too big a project to tackle, especially for a newcomer like myself. The Ranch isn't dead, it's just...resting. I'm sure it will rise again, either when I finally have the time and resources or when another brave soul is willing to commit himself to it. With projects like this one and Adywan's on the way, there's plenty to look forward to in the immediate future. Who knows, one of these other projects may supplant the need for The Ranch. In any event, the Ranch thread is full of in-depth discussion about editing the saga, so it remains a valuble resource of ideas for any similar endeavours.

Post: #253878
Topic: STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253878/action/topic#253878
Time: 28-Oct-2006 2:55 PM

OK, I'm thinking waaay far ahead to ROTJ...any lines exchanged between Han forgiving Lando...or Lando asking forgiveness or something like that? Because you *could* have a little exchange with them over the intercom (while Luke is listening in his xwing)...wild thought...any comments?

Well for starters although Billy Dee Williams did play Lando in the ESB Radio Drama, he didn't in the RotJ one. And Han Solo is played by Perry King, not Harrison Ford, in the Radio Drama trilogy. So this kind of cut-and-paste is out of the question. But just FYI, the RD does have a scene between Han and Lando just after the escape from Tatooine which addresses this. It's a good scene and one of the many reasons I think the RotJ RD is better than the actual film (story wise, at least).

The best bet for a "reconcilation" scene between the two in the actual film would be the deleted sandstorm sequence. If Lucas decides to finally make it available as part of the 2007 release (as OT deleted scenes have been rumored/promised on that release), then we might have something to work with.

Post: #253876
Topic: Star Wars: REBORN - The Complete Saga (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253876/action/topic#253876
Time: 28-Oct-2006 2:45 PM

It's good to see you guys back and working on Star Wars. This project already seem to be more on track than Starkiller Ranch ever was. Unfortunately being a full-time student and working a part-time job doesn't allow for as much Star Wars as it used to, so that project is on an indefinite hiatus as far as I go. I think we all bit off more than we could chew with the Ranch; this project seems to be much more managable. In Star Wars: Reborn's format you can keep the parts of the prequels worth keeping and simply do-away with the rest. So no week-long debates over how the Nemoidians should be dubbed or what to do with Jar-Jar and Boss Nass.

You mentioned a prologue, is this to be at all similar to the type of prologue we were discussing for the Ranch?

And in condensing TPM to 7 minutes, do the characters of Qui-Gon and Darth Maul now cease to exist?

I have many more questions but I'm looking forward to see how SWR develops.

PS. Awesome trailer. The best moment by far was "You were the Chosen One!" reflected in Vader's eyes. Great work.

Post: #253873
Topic: STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253873/action/topic#253873
Time: 28-Oct-2006 2:32 PM

Well i've decided to scrap the Jabba scene completely. It's really not needed as the scene with Greedo has already some of the conversation between Han & Jabba. It's going to be relagated to the deleted scenes section.
I agree, the Jabba scene only works as a curiosity in my opinon. Although your idea of a Jabba hologram from RotJ souded interesting; any chance we could see any tests you made of that just for kicks?

I'm keeping that scene because when Biggs is killed Luke now reacts (thanks to the radio dramas).

Great! The Radio Dramas are an unatapped resource in most fan edits (but then again there haven't been that many fan edits of the OT...yet). Are you planning on using their dialogue significantly anywhere else in the film? One thing you might want to consider is extending the Luke/3PO landspeeder ride so Luke can explain some of the backstory between Ben and Owen to 3PO. Seeing as how the prequels gave no indication to this dynamic, this would help explain what Obi-Wan was up to over the past 20 years and that yes, he did check in on Luke a few times.

The Super Stardestroyer has only been seen in the sample trailer and out of context with how it will appear in the final movie. It actually isn't anywhere near Yavin. It may not appear in the final version if the sequence i'm adding doesn't go according to plan (**cough**Emperor**cough**. lol)

Out of everything in this edit, this is probably what I'm looking forward to the most. I hope you can pull it off!

Post: #253006
Topic: The voice of Qui-Gon
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253006/action/topic#253006
Time: 23-Oct-2006 4:52 PM

^Oops! I forgot about that one!

Being a Qui-Gon fan, I appreciated what you tried to do with your limited resources, ADM. It comes as no surprise that the most effective V.O. comes when Yoda is meditating, as that is where it was originally intended. If the "My master, you must live!" could be smoothed out, I think it would work just as well as "Run, Luke, Run!" As it stands it sounds a bit out of place. And I understand what you were going for in the Dagobah scene, but the dialogue is just too obvioulsy cut-and-paste from TPM and ESB, in my opinion.

Has anyone considered "The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe" as a source for new Qui-Gon dialogue? Well, I'm sure we all have, but has anyone actually put something together with it yet? I wasn't released on DVD until after this and other edits were completed, so it's an untapped resource thusfar.

Post: #252996
Topic: The voice of Qui-Gon
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252996/action/topic#252996
Time: 23-Oct-2006 4:12 PM

Qui-Gon can be heard in two scenes in ADM's RotS:

INT. POLIS MASSA-OBSERVATION DOME-NIGHT

On the isolated asteroid of Polis Massa, YODA meditates.
QUI-GON: (V.O.) Do you feel responsible? Forgive yourself. If you let it, it will destroy you, as it almost did me.

AND

EXT. DAGOBAH-DAY

A small escape pod hurls toward the swamp planet and disappears in the mist.
QUI-GON: (V.O.) Are you ready to begin?
YODA: (O.S.) Yes. Will he finish what he begins?
QUI-GON: (V.O.) Finding him was the will of the Force, I have no doubt of that.
The pod has landed, and YODA descends the ramp, surveying the unfamiliar terrain.
QUI-GON: (V.O.) Master, may the Force be with you.

Post: #252780
Topic: What did the Prequel Trilogy need?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252780/action/topic#252780
Time: 22-Oct-2006 12:21 AM

I agree about RotJ. In theory it will not only need to be revised, but with the majority its finale is being moved to Episode IX, it will need an entirely new ending! That said, had you put any thought into my suggestion of ESB becoming Episode VI? I'm still clueless as for what to do with Episode V though.

Also, about collaboration, I would be interested in playing a part in your re-write, auraloffalwaffle, if only as a "creative consultant." I think our ideas on the saga mesh well and as I've said I've already tried this once before. So if you need someone for in-depth discussion and feedback, I'd be willing to fill that role.

Post: #251907
Topic: Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251907/action/topic#251907
Time: 18-Oct-2006 2:08 AM

Trooperman,

I haven't been saying much lately, but at this stage, what is there left to say? It's been well over a year (heck, a year and a half!), and I can't wait to finally see the end result after all this time. Just wanted to let you know I'm still following and supporting "Shroud of the Dark Side"!

(No pressure, but after waiting this long, I'm expecting something amazing.

)

CC

Post: #251905
Topic: MagnoliaFan Edits: Ep I "Balance Of The Force", and Ep II "The Clone War" (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251905/action/topic#251905
Time: 18-Oct-2006 2:02 AM

The new crawl looks good, but I still think the reverse language tracks are distracting.

Not that you would want to use this solution, MagnoliaFan, but the absolute best Nemoidian dubbing I've seen utilized the Jewish dialogue of "The Passion of the Christ." InfoDroid made a couple of test scenes with them for Starkiller Ranch and they blended together perfectly. The only downsides of this were 1) Limited resources, and 2) Lack of proper nouns. If someone could find another film with similar language (a difficult task, I know) I really think that would be the perfect way to go with the Trade Federation. I know you're pretty late in the game as far as editing is concerned, but if you have some free time I'd encourage you to experiment with this option just to see what you could do.

Post: #251903
Topic: What did the Prequel Trilogy need?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251903/action/topic#251903
Time: 18-Oct-2006 1:40 AM

I see the 20 years as being the time required for Luke to grow into an experienced Jedi and to start rebuilding the order. I see it as the length of time required to find his sister. I see it as the length of time required by the Rebel Alliance to muster the force needed to defeat the Empire once and for all. I see it as the length of time required to turn the tide of popular opinion, as the ordinary people of the galaxy will have been force-fed Imperial propaganda for more than 50 years by the time Episode VII begins.

I like this approach and can see the twenty year gap working if handled appropriately.

Luke tracking down his sister: not only her, but finding other Jedi Knights who survived the purge perhaps? Maybe having to fight them to prove his worth, or even kill their leader? Just some more vague ideas for the Sequel Trilogy.

As for the Sith Lords, do you have any ideas on their characters outside of Vader and the Emperor? I'd like for Darth Maul to be featured one way or another, for instance. Would more than just Vader and Palpatine exist after Episode III? I would imagine so. How would they impact the Galactic Civil War?

Post: #250343
Topic: What did the Prequel Trilogy need?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250343/action/topic#250343
Time: 9-Oct-2006 12:56 AM

Your reasoning for the force spirits sounds good to me. I like the "ultimate secret" aspect of it. Perhaps having Anakin appear at some point could be explored, but other than that it seems you've nailed the concept. I would imagine Yoda would inform Obi-Wan of the immortality technique before he goes off to Tatooine though, as once he takes Luke there he's there for good until ANH.

Also, I see you have decided on the trilogy-of-trilogies structure. An excellent choice.

I also see you've had some thoughts on the timespan of the saga. When I was plotting out the trilogies I had a dilemma with the time in between episodes 6 and 7. I'd decided on a two-year gap, granting my Episode 6 was ESB, as I didn't want Han to stay frozen in Carbonite for too long a time. I don't know what your thoughts on this are exactly, but don't you think another 20 year gap is a bit long? I mean, between 3 and 4 it makes sense due to the Jedi having to go into hiding, waiting for the twins to come of age, but what would happen in that second 20 year hiatus?

CRAZY IDEA: As I was typing this up, the thought occured to me. There are many stories about people being frozen and revived in their future. What if this scenario played out for Solo, being dethawed 20 years in his future? This would be a great way to bring the audience up to speed on the events of the last two decades, using Han as the excuse for expositional dialogue explaining what's happened since episode 6. Also, this would serve as a way to have Leia grow out of Han and into Luke. Abstract ideas I know, but it's a start. What do you think?