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#155852
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Comics Fans
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I'm actually looking forward to the possible Aquaman TV show. There are so many DC characters with so little exposure it's good whenever one of them gets out there in the public eye. What gets me nowadays is that there can never be a straight-up superhero series. Smallville as a young Clark Kent was a great, original idea. But lest we forget it's origins are from the aborted young Bruce Wayne series. Then "Birds of Prey" came and went, set in a post-Batman Gotham City, and don't forget the abandoned Flash series that wasn't even close to the comic character at all. Now here comes a young Aquaman show.

Nothing against these new takes on various points in comic book history, but what's so wrong with shows in the same vein as "Lois and Clark," "The Flash," "Wonder Woman," and even the 60s "Batman"? I eagerly await the next superhero seires featuring the main character suiting up in full hero persona to fight for truth, justice, and whatever else they might stand for.
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#155851
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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This may not be the best way, but it's the way I came up with editing everything together:
-Anakin and Obi-Wan approach Dooku.
-"You're gonna pay for all the Jedi you killed today Dooku," or a similar line.
-New Dooku line in wideshot: "Indeed" from Clone Wars (I know it's not Christopher Lee but it sounds exactly like him in that instance). He knows the Jedi are no match for him, and is amused by Anakin's statement.
-"We'll take him together."
-Dooku ignites saber and salutes Jedi (from begining of Yoda duel).
Obi-Wan charges at Dooku, they fight. All dialogue is cut.
-Anakin watches not knowing how or when to intervene (possibly coming from cropping full screen DVD, zooming in on Anakin and slowing down footage with duel soundeffects in background).
-Dooku cuts Obi-Wan, says to Anakin, "As you can see my Jedi powers are far beyond yours." (not sure how to accomplish this exchange) "Abilities" or "skills" would be a preferable term to plug into that line though. Heck, maybe even, "As you can see, my skills with a lightsaber are far beyond yours," or any combination of unused lines from the Yoda duel.
-Dooku raises saber for the kill. No twirling or hesitation, or CGI jumping Anakin. His saber comes out of nowhere to save Obi-Wan.
-"Brave of you boy. I would have thought you'd had learned your lesson." "I am a slow learner." Dooku is referring to making quick work of Obi-Wan.
-Duel continues, Anakin's second saber is cut away by Dooku.
-CUT to Padme recovered in the desert.
-CUT back to duel, Anakin and Dooku fighting in shadow.
-TM's plans from then on: Yoda, etc. Padme arrives with clones to shoot at Dooku's ship and embrace Anakin.

Not perfect, but a rough outline of a possible scenario.
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EDIT: I moved Dooku turning on his saber to inbetween Obi-Wan's line and his action. This way the cut isn't to choppy.
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#155700
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Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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The editing of the Mace/Anakin scene is great. Something always seemed off about that whole exchange. The one change I'd suggest in addition to yours would be:
Anakin: He won't give up his power. I just learned [EDIT] Chancellor Palpatine is a Sith Lord.

However, I think the scene were Palpatine gradually reveals himself to Anakin is wonderful and no alterations are necessary.
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#155698
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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Originally posted by: MTHaslett
Here's what I might mean:

Anakin and Kenobi rush in and skirt Dukoo's space warily. Kenobi says "We'll take him together" and Anakin never says a damned thing.

Dukoo draws his sword and Kenobi rushes him. Kenobi and Dukoo fight in close up after close up. No pauses. No dialogue. Just all the fighting cut together. No cut away to Padme. Just fighting. Cut to Anakin in close up, standing. The context implies he can't find a way to get into the fight. Then-- Dukoo wounds Kenobi and down he goes. Without hesitation, Dukoo goes for the kill--

And Anakin jumps in. Kenobi tosses him the other sabre and the fight continues. No halting, no pausing (except to see Yoda coming) until Dukoo cuts off Anakin's arm-- (GREAT IDEA UPTHREAD TO MAKE THIS BEAT TERRIFYING WITH A HOWLING SCREAM SIMILAR TO WHEN LUKE LOSES HIS HAND).

Anakin gets tossed over to Kenobi and Dukoo finally pauses to catch his breath.

That's the idea in a nutshell -- let the relentlessness of Dukoo's attack make this fight special -- this would be the most relentless fight of the trilogy. Dukoo would become the guy who just doesn't f**k around.

The Anakin story up to this point is that of an apprentice who feels challenged, then loses faith, then finds faith again and goes into battle with his mentor -- In watching Dukoo and Kenobi fight, Anakin is building up his courage to jump in and play with the big Jedi -- something he hasn't had to do before. But when it counts-- he comes through.

The Padme material should, in my opinion, ALL be cut. She doesn't need to be seen here. Let the sequence end as Yoda gets his stick back and sees his crumpled allies and realizes they're in serious trouble. He sighs and we wipe out before Padme and the clones run in.
This would be a great improvement to the duel. It would cut the Dooku/Obi-Wan dialogue that doesn't make any sense, and tie into the RotS line, implying Anakin needs to get right into the battle that time around. My only reservation would be cutting Dooku and Anakin's little exchange: "Brave of you boy. I would have thought you'd had learned your lesson," "I am a slow learner." That's my favorite Anakin line from the film, but it just won't fit into this scenario unless Dooku's line can be altered to refer to taking care of Obi-Wan so quickly (which is possible). Also may I suggest the shot of Dooku activating his saber come from the Yoda portion of the duel, as that salute he does is a great shot, far better than when he turns on his blade to face Obi-Wan.

Originally posted by: MTHaslett
Here's my solution: As Dukoo gets away and Yoda picks up his stick, looking pretty down in the mouth-- the music hits a somber key and we cut to the shot of Padme lying lifeless in the sand until a clone runs up to her and she stirs to life... Cut to Anakin lying in a heap and continue from there. Postpone their reunion until we hear that Anakin's taking her back to Naboo and then cut to the wedding.

With Trooperman's ability to add Anakin dialogue, I think that the one place it might be nice to add some is at the wedding. If Anakin said a great line of dialogue that was charming and at the same time indicated his change and resolution to dedicate himself to the Republic and everything Padme stands for -- it would bring a resolution to the film that is really lacking. The original cut really just kind of ends.

Padme's stuff creates quite a problem indeed. The scene where she wakes up in the sand is pretty lame, but I don't think it would work if she just comes charging in with the clones at the end firing at Dooku's ship, would it? And where would her recovery fit? Anyway, these are great ideas and I hopw TM doesn't mind having to re-cut the duel again to incorporate them.

As for the end of the film, I see what you're saying MTH, but in keeping in true Star Wars tradition, the film must end with music and music alone.

Originally posted by: InfoDroid
And Trooperman, PLEASE consider excising the Banking Clan guy from Dooku's conference room! Seriously, he looks like the stretched-out corpse of Peter Cushing. It needs to go.

I second that! People complain about the Tech Union dude, I actually liked him. But that Banking Clan guy...*cringe*.
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#155394
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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Ian in ESB is a total botch job. The dialouge changes which could have been good turned out for the worse. The make up was horrible. The performance forgetable. Not a good scene. In the original the Emperor was a mysterious, intriguing figure. In the new version it seems Ian was filmed in between takes on one of his worst make up days on RotS. Hopefully fan editors can rectify this unfortunate turn of events. My suggestion would be mixing both audio and video of both Emperors for the optimum result.

(When I say audio I'm mostly referring to "Yes...yes." If Ian can be replaced by Clive there w/out it being too noticeable it would do wonders.)
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#155387
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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That's an excellent breakdown of what Episode 2 is all about, MTH.

With that structure in mind, after Anakin "stays the course" as you put it, he should be a committed, cool headed Jedi. His rushing in to face Dooku fits with his early character as an overconfident rebel, but over the course of the film he's matured. So the question becomes how to rectify the situation? In TM's original plans he was just going to cut away from the duel as soon the the three confronted each other, then cut back to reveal Anakin had been made quick work of. This would be very choppy however, and just wouldn't feel right. Add to that the RotS line, "This time we'll take him together." The idea was to remove force lightning from the duel, which is essential as well. But how can Anakin be taken out of the duel? A force push? The fact of the matter is it is a poorly conceived confrontation, and Dooku was made far too powerful for the sole purpose of giving Yoda someone to fight (which should have, and will be in this edit, been saved for Episode III). I honestly have no good ideas on solving this, but I’m sure someone in our esteemed think tank will be able to come up with something.

It’s interesting to note that major problems with TPM and AotC are the lack of a story arc for Anakin. We’ve discussed this before, but his character is all over the place in both films. He seems to have gradual, though sometimes sporadic, character growth through the course of the films, but at their climax he reverts back to who he was at the beginning. Luke maintained his development and matured over the course of the OT, as he was obviously not the same person he was at the beginning of ANH or ESB when those films had concluded.
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#154734
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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Originally posted by: MTHaslett
I think these changes will really smooth out the romance and increase the OT feel by raising the charm quotient. Less is more for Anakin and more is more for R2.

Great suggestions on editing down the bedroom and refugee ship scenes. That would really make the romance more natural, especially from Padme's perspective. The Artoo stuff isn't really necessary, but either way is fine by me.
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#153741
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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SHROUD OF THE DARK SIDE

-20th Century/Lucasfilm Ltd./A Long Time Ago In a Galaxy Far, Far Away… title cards all replaced with classic logos.
-New title and opening crawl.
-Openinng shot pans down like other 5 films, instead of up as in AotC.
-Handmaiden cropped out of interior shot of ship.
-Close up of ship explosion, new sound effect. Much shorter dialogue between Padme and Typho. Wipe from dead Corde’s face to next scene.
-New musical cue from RotJ introduces conference room scene. Establishing shot reversed and de-saturated. Office master shot reversed, dialogue reworked to mention Dooku at the beginning.
-Yoda’s “warm feelings” line is cut. Replace with, "In grave danger, you are."
-Anakin is dubbed throughout the film.
-Jar-Jar is dubbed in German and subtitled throughout the film.
-Padme is still the Queen of Naboo, a born Queen. She serves as Senator in additon to her royal duties.
-Anakin/Obi-Wan argument in Padme apartment is edited and used as off screen dialogue in next scene.
-More emphasis is put on Anakin’s dreams of his mother in night conversation with Obi-Wan.
-No Jango Fett in deployment of the assassin droid scene.
-Obi-Wan/Anakin argument from previous scene inserted offscreen, heard in Padme's bedroom.
-Zam is not a changeling.
-“I’ve heard this lesson before.” “You haven’t learned anything, Anakin.”-inserted/”And I think she is a changeling.”-removed. New background music in nightclub. More ridiculous crowd shots (video game screens, etc.) replaced by shots from other films.
-Anakin goes to talk to Palpatine on his own, to infrom him of his assignment. Not requested by the Council. Fade ot black at end of scene to Anakin's dream.
-Anakin’s dream sequence is intercut with images of Tusken Raiders and Shmi in pain. Dialogue from Qui-Gon, Shmi, and young Anakin.
-Deleted Jedi Temple Analysis scene inserted. Droid is dubbed and identifies dart being from Kamino.
-Diner scene completely removed. Most of younglings scene edited out, except for end conversation with Obi-Wan and Yoda.
-Yoda/Mace/Obi-Wan scene removed. Repalced with deleted scene with Mace and Obi-Wan when he leaves in starfighter.
-Anakin and Padme's political discussion is altered to fit with Padme being both Queen and Sentor. Queen Jamillia scene is removed.
-Lama-Su dubbed. Syfo-Dias replaced by another character.
-Deleted scenes of Padme family dinner/kitchen/room scenes all inserted.
-Moral implications of cloning are mentioned by Lama-Su and Obi-Wan. Boba Fett is not a clone of Jango.
-Picnic scene edited to focus more on politics. New establishing shot from other sources. Animals totally eliminated from scene.
-Jango's mention of Tyranus removed.
-Anakin and Padme's balcony scene moved to night setting, transitions to fireside scene with overlaying dialogue.
-While Anakin meditates on balcony, noises from nightmare are heard until Padme arrives. “Your presence is soothing.”
-New music from “Rite of Spring," and new sound effects for seismic charges accompany Jango and Obi-Wan's dogfight.
-Shot of suns inserted in sunset scene to better paralled ANH. New music: Alternate Binary Sunset from ANH.
-New Dooku theme: “Uranus” from The Planets.
-Neimodians are dubbed in German and subtitled throughout the film.
-Qui-Gon’s “NO” improved in Yoda's meditation.
-Anakin does not confess his actions to Padme, but we get an idea of what he did as he talks to himself.
-Anakin and Padme's decision to rescue Obi-Wan re-edited to better reflect what's going on in the film.
-C-3PO stays onboard ship/not turned into battledroid or present at the Battle of Geonosis.
-The droid factory scene is desaturated. New music. Padme scream added which distracts Anakin.
-Deleted trail scene inserted. New subtitles added.
-“I love you” scene is edited more naturally. This is Anakin and Padme's first kiss. Love theme crescendos at kiss, instead of later.
-Padme and Anakin escape bondage first. (They have a plan, Obi-Wan is out of the loop.)
-Mace’s entrance is a surprise, shot of him approaching Dooku's box removed. His lightsaber is now blue. New music: Sail Barge fanfare from RotJ when Jedi appear.
-New music, triumphant as Yoda arrive with clones.
-New Music: “Mars” from The Planets accompanies Battle of Geonosis.
-Impact flashes are added for blaster fire (as in OT).
-Clonetroopers have microphone sounds in helmets when they talk, like Stormtroopers in OT.
-Subtitles changed in War Room scene with Death Star plans. Imperial fanfare from ANH (Death Star theme) is heard.
-Small dialogue edits on gunship. When Padme fall off, Obi-Wan calms Anakin down and Anakin theme is heard.
-Anakin rushes ahead and is force-pushed (or something) by Dooku. Force lightning totally removed from duel.
-Duel re-edited and alternate lightsaber sound effects to sound more like OT. New music: Battle of Yavin from ANH.
-Yoda enters during Anakin/Dooku portion of duel. Dooku ignores him to talk to Yoda, then Anakin lurches from shadows only to have arm cut off.
-Again, no force lightning battle between Yoda/Dooku. No lightsaber duel either.
-"I’ve become more powerful than any Jedi," is follied by Dooku bringing down crane and fleeing to his ship.
-New triumphant music heard as Yoda lifts crane..
-“Lord Tyranus” removed from final Sith scene, replaced by “Count Dooku."
-Last line of film: "The shroud of the dark side has fallen."

Many, many, many more updates and changes to come.
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#153732
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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A definte good start to the conference room scene, and I'd agree with MTH and Twister's dialogue suggestions. As Twister mentioned the wipe seems a bit off, but the music intro is a great touch. The scene reversal as well, but I'd encourage you not to reverse the closeups of Palpatine in his chair; it looks rather odd. Of course if you have another reason for this I don't realize, you know best. The lightsaber duel is looking really exciting!

I've compiled a rough draft list of the SotDS edits, which I will put in it's own post to set it apart.
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#152949
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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Originally posted by: MTHaslett
Yeah, I couldn't get the link to work either-- can it be fixed?

I think someone should make the list of changes proposed/approved in this thread-- if I get a chance I'll do it because just seeing them all in one place would be a pleasure in itself. Compiling the list on the other hand...

-Same here, no file.

-I'll try to compile a list as well; maybe between the two of us we can catch everything. If not, anyone else is more than welcome to help the cause.
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#152922
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ROTS Extras: CGI TPM Yoda
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Originally posted by: JarHead413
But in general, after all that, if they don't go and fix the AotC yoda to look good (or all that CGI while they are on this whole binge) I'l actually be pissed. If unnecissarily fixing yoda is a priority there and not fixing shitty CG from a whole movie slips by them then......goddamn. But is Lucas so....whatever.....I give up.

While I would have put it more eloquently, I agree. The RotS Yoda is nearly flawless, it would be a shame if the AotC Yoda was not updated (as TPM Yoda has been) to that standard.
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#151902
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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I believe Trooperman has addressed all of the points you brought up, InfoDroid. The suggestion of a fanfare of “Yoda’s Theme” when he arrives with the clones is an excellent one, but he probably wants to save the kind of a cue for the end of the film when Yoda saves Anakin and Obi-Wan from Dooku (remember there is no Yoda/Dooku duel in SotDS).

Your comparison of Yoda arriving with the clones to Han saving Luke in ANH is apt, but flawed. Lucas says this very thing in the DVD commentary, but the difference is everyone knew there was going to be a big clone battle at the end of the film. That was a huge advertising point of AotC. Solo shooting down Vader was totally unexpected, part of why it was so great.
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#150921
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MLB
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Congratulations to the White Sox. Despite sweeping the Astros, all of the games were exciting and close. They only outscored us 20-16. And hey, you've got to get there to win it and at least we go there for the first time in franchise history. Better it be the White Sox than the Yankees, Red Sox, Braves or Cardinals. Now here's to another 88 years without a championship!

(Just kidding if course; that'd still be a better ratio than Houston!)