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#157509
Topic
redeeming lucas
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/157509/action/topic#157509
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Originally posted by: theredbaron
Redemption, IMHO, would take quite a lot: reunite with Kurtz, Kasdan, and Kershner to re-write and re-film the prequels, then de-assify the OT and give us a special edition without storyline changes.

Although he has no need to redeem himself IMO, that would be amazing nonetheless. And then we'd have a trilogy of trilogies after all.
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#157383
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Idea: MY phantom edit
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/157383/action/topic#157383
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Originally posted by: Rebel Scumb
the more different our edits are from each other the better
most fun that way

Agreed. Things would get rather dull in the fan edit community if every edit was just a slight variation of another. Here's to radical changes on all fronts, and if things get too extreme for you, there's always the offical version!
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#157301
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Idea: MY phantom edit
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/157301/action/topic#157301
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Originally posted by: THX
The idea of making Darth Maul & General Grievous into one character basically stems from neither of them being a good enough villain on their own. So the obvious alternative is to cut them both.

Your point does have some validity, Grievous being more guilty of this. And I'll just assume you're being sarcastic there at the end.
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#157298
Topic
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/157298/action/topic#157298
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Lord of the Rings would a great source for more Dooku dialogue as Christopher Lee plays pretty much the same character. Nice suggestion. LotR is not my forte though, so someone else will have to get to work on that right away.

As for the Anakin/Dooku exchange, I still believe inferring Padme’s death is not necessary. It’s been revealed to the Jedi Dooku was behind the assassination attempts all along, and that should be enough motive for Anakin to have a vendetta against him. It’d be great to incorporate something along the lines of:
Anakin: You’re the one who’s been trying to kill Padme all along. That’s the last mistake you’ll ever make, Dooku!
Dooku: Indeed.
Anakin’s line mirroring Luke’s to Jabba in RotJ, and it’s best to keep it simple for Dooku until we can find some suitable Lee dialogue.
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#157295
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Yoda & Emperor PT vs OT
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/157295/action/topic#157295
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Originally posted by: Number20
As for the Emperor's look in ROTS, if you compare how Palpatine looks in AOTC, it looks like they started with the darkside corruption/rapid aging, then decided to shift to the goofy force lighting scarred him. He looks younger in ROTS to me than he did in AOTC. I don't see why they needed to have him get really old really fast for ROTS. Just have him look older still. After all, it was 25 years between ROTS and ESB. And the ESB makeup looks nothing like the ROTJ Emperor anyway. Did Lucas even bother to watch ROTJ before designing the makeup? Maybe that will be the next change. Making ROTJ emperor look like ROTS/ESB emperor.

McDiarmid has said Lucas changed his mind on the nature of Palpatine's disfigurement. That still doesn't explain the AotC/RotS inconsistency though, as they could have just as easily applied the same make up for "normal Palpatine" until he transformed into Sidious. Just because they went the bizzare scarring route didn't mean Palpatine had to look younger at the beginning of the movie. And yes, there's just something not right with the Emperor makeup for a majority of the film. I've come to accept it and it almost doesn't bother me, but it's still just not right. I will however give credit where credit is due as he looks perfect on Mustafar and during Vader's birth. But then I get mad again because if they could get it right then why couldn't they get it right the rest of the movie?
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#157292
Topic
Lucas's future changes for the OT to come... (with quotes)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/157292/action/topic#157292
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Originally posted by: Wesyeed
Make luke's fight against vader in rotj not look so pathetic. It's powerful stuff, but after the pt, the baseball bat swinging thing just doesn't cut it anymore. cgi it. realize it. sell it. That's the way.

I know your list was not to be taken seriously, but I would not be opposed to some alteration/extension of the RotJ duel. Both fighters seem to have regressed since ESB, and the fight itself is very short. It is THE climactic confrontation of the saga after all.
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#157134
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Idea: MY phantom edit
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/157134/action/topic#157134
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Originally posted by: MTHaslett
With that being the case-- Palpatine can certainly bend this "rule" as the most powerful Sith ever. He can plan to revive a mechanical Darth Maul in the person of Grievous as an "extra" apprentice. He's planning on losing Dukoo anyway-- and Grievous as well. Yet he could use both their help in the meantime. He is, after all, orchestrating the destruction of all Jedi.

Exactly. Dooku and Maul/Grievous are both needed by Palpatine to accomplish his goals. And seriously, Grievous was a Sith in all but name in RotS anyway.

No one ever knew Maul's name, so they wouldn't know Grievous' name either until he became an important player in the Clone Wars. I think the question here is do we want to keep DM=GG a surprise of sorts or not. I can see what you mean by saving the reveal until the duel, but I think the connections would be lost if there is no reference to Grievous as the Sith from Episode 1 beforehand. If you reserve that until Obi-Wan finds out, it will seem a totally random and out of place twist. The character of Grievous should be established and explained in a way or things will be very confusing.

Also if your plan is to cut the Sidious scenes in TPM, how would Grievous' name be established? I think the concept of removing Sidious is a creative one, and have come to see the value of it. We don't need to see his every order to the Trade Federation, just as we didn't need to see his every command to Vader in the OT. However, key conversations should be left in, such as the introduction of his apprentice, and orders on the final battle of Naboo. You could take all his key lines and condense them into 2 conversations, especially if the Nemoidians are subtitled. I'd like the balcony scene to be included as well, but that may or may not be essential.
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#156789
Topic
timecoded rots
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/156789/action/topic#156789
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Originally posted by: ReverendBeastly
The timecoded workprint of ROTS that was leaked is no different than the theatrical version, and only different from the current DVD version with respect to one transition.

If I recall correctly, Palpatine's "Yeah!" is not present in the timecoded bootleg. There weren't any other changes I noticed though. What transition was different?
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#156444
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Idea: MY phantom edit
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/156444/action/topic#156444
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Originally posted by: Tim Lehrbach
Making Maul & Grievous the same character sounds like a bigger challenge than I'd want to undertake.

There might be less extensive ways to go about it, but not as effective. It's no easy task to meld two characters into one, even if they are very similar to begin with. The devil is in the details.

As for removing the Gungan battle, unfortunately it's essential to the plotpoint of the Naboo and Gungans putting aside their differences and coming together to save their home. Then you've got problems with what is the point of the space battle if they aren't shutting down any droids, the Gungan's role in the film in general, not to mention losing Padme's reveal as Queen Amidala at the Gungan camp.
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#156441
Topic
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/156441/action/topic#156441
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Originally posted by: MTHaslett
When I get my editing suite (and my mansion and my yacht) I'm going to edit it this way, darn it. >;-P

Hahaha, that's my situation as well.

Shamless personal ad: If anyone wants to respond to my Maul=Grievous plans in Rebel Scumb's "My Phantom Edit" thread, please do as so far I've recieved very little feedback.
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#156292
Topic
Idea: MY phantom edit
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/156292/action/topic#156292
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Well I can't seem to find my posts on the subject, but no matter (it's no like I've forgotten it all).

First off let me address the concept of making General Grievous into a resurrected Darth Maul. Clone Wars Cartoons aside, GG is an incredibly lame plot device of a character. He comes out of nowhere in RotS and is treated like the end-all be-all of the Clone Wars. That would have been fine if he had been established beforehand (in a FILM, not a cartoon), but as it stands now his characters seems nothing more than an afterthought. Not only that, the annoying coughing and ridiculous cliche dialogue take away from what could have been a menacing villain. So GG was a definite weak link in the RotS chain. Much has been made of the PT suffering from a lack of consistent villains, outside of Palpatine of course, and it’s true. This attributed to the prequels not feeling much like a trilogy at all, especially not in the same sense as the originals. RotS tried to rectify things with several connections to TPM, and it was a valiant effort which they almost pulled off. But can you imagine the drama/hype that would have resulted if Darth Maul himself had returned in a cybernetic body commanding the Separatist forces? Great stuff. I can’t believe Lucas didn’t think of that angle when conceiving Grievous. The manner of Maul’s death makes it easy to believe what was left of him was transplanted into Grievous’ cyborg body. His yellow eyes tie things together nicely, as well as his lightsaber skills. His guards’ double bladed vibroblades also contribute to the theory, a throwback to Maul’s original double bladed lightsaber. So that’s the concept.

Now onto the logistics. I know that RS’ plan is to remove Sidious from TPM, but assuming it wasn’t, replacing his mentions of “Maul” with “Grievous” would set things up perfectly. I prefer the name Darth Maul to Darth Grievous, but taking RotS into consideration there’s really no other way to get around it if you want them to have the same name (which I think they should). As for RotS, dubbing over GG in a deep, mechanically altered voice shouldn’t be too difficult. That’s the beauty of his lack of a mouth. The coughing would have to be eliminated as well, if for nothing else than the annoyance factor. Dialogue would obviously have to be altered, making references to his defeat by Kenobi, and having that serve as a character motivation. I’m sure someone could come up with some applicable dialogue. Either way it would be impossible for the Jedi to know this was the same Sith who they encountered in TPM, so Grievous would need to reveal this to Obi-Wan in their duel. The close ups on their eyes would be the ideal spot, as new Obi-Wan dialogue would need to be inserted as well. This just adds so much to the Obi-Wan/Grievous confrontation as Kenobi is again facing the man who killed his master, and on Grievous’ end, a chance for revenge on the Jedi who crippled him. Also the parallel of Obi-Wan hanging off the edge of the platform gets a lot more parallel when it’s once again facing Maul. I think Grievous’ lightsabers should all be red, since he would be an official Sith, but I know it would be a pain to rotoscope. I like the concept of him collecting lightsabers but now that he’s Maul that aspect wouldn’t fit (he obviously doesn’t keep them as he kicked Obi-Wan’s down the reactor shaft on Naboo). The conversation with Sidious in RotS would have to be reworked considerably, addressing him as “Lord Grievous,” but I don’t know how to approach his mention of making Anakin his new apprentice. Maybe a mention of destroying Obi-Wan as one of GG’s objectives, as Sidious trys to get rid of him (and thus his positive influence on Anakin) for most of the film. As for the rule of 2, you could always go the MagnoliaFan route and make Dooku a rogue Jedi with no affiliation with the Sith. That wouldn’t explain the three villains’ connection in RotS though. Cutting Yoda’s line down to, “Always two there are, a master and an apprentice,” would do away with the “rule” and make it more of a concept; it’s assumed that if there are more than 2 of them, the Sith will try to kill each other. This would all tie in nicely with the situation we have in the OT: “He would be a great asset,” “He will join us or die,” etc. Sidious has no problem with taking on more than once underling if it suits his purposes and he remains in charge. This dies beg the question though, what’s Maul up to in AotC? Working some Grievous into Episode 2 in some capacity would be great, but that’s something I’ve yet to come up with. One other point, in regards to everyone addressing him as “General” instead of “Darth,” Obi-Wan is also a general (add that to the Maul/Kenobi parallel list), and is called as such. Also, the Republic at large might not even know Grievous is a Sith, and as I noted before there’s certainly no way for them to know he’s the same Sith from Episode 1.

So those are my not so brief suggestion on how to make Maul into Grievous, strengthening both characters and the prequel trilogy as a whole. I eagerly await your feedback.
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#156271
Topic
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/156271/action/topic#156271
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Yes, added Anakin dialogue is the answer to everything! Hearing his reasoning on Dooku killing Padme is good, as is the final line (or some variation of it) at the wedding.

As far as cutting Sidious from TPM, I think it's a bold move on Rebel Scumb's part to do something different, but I'd be against Trooperman doing so in his Episode 1. He's rather essential to the plot, especially if you want to bring out the story of Palpatine's rise to power (one of the best of the PT). Don't forget how much of an impact dubbing and subtitles can do in regards to the Trade Federation, which TM will be doing and RS will not. That said I do look forwaed to how RS handles it in his edit.
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#156137
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Idea: MY phantom edit
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/156137/action/topic#156137
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Originally posted by: Rebel Scumb
I'm still eager to do my Katie Holmesless version of BATMAN BEGINS, and the epic task of making one good movie out of Matrix 2 and 3.

Get to work on those as soon as possible!

Also Rebel Scumb, since massive story alterations seem to be an interest of yours, have you ever considered making Darth Maul and General Grevious one in the same?
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#156136
Topic
Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/156136/action/topic#156136
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Oooooo, I really like the implication of Sidious' true face being revealed. That's something I had a big issue with in RotS, Palpatine's disfigurement by force lightning. Can't say I agree with all of your editing decisions, but that one for sure is a good one. Of course the parallel of RotJ with Anakin considering his next move while watching the lightning is lost, but I really like Palpatine being a mask for Sidious the whole time (which is how it should have been done if Lucas' didn't want to stick with the dark side deteriation explanation that had been around for so long).
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#156135
Topic
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/156135/action/topic#156135
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Originally posted by: MTHaslett
Both fighting at once is best, isn't it? If the footage were little better, it would be a no-brainer. But with creative use of what's there, I think the impression could be achieved -- as long as the underlying idea is that Dukoo is WAY TOO GOOD for them and WAY TO RELENTLESS (no chatting, no pausing). I think there has to be a unique flavor to each duel -- and this one feels the most generic of any in the PT. "Relentlessness" is my suggestion for making it unique.

I just start coming around to TM's way of thinking and look what happens. MTH has got me again here. EXCELLENT point about it being such a generic duel, that's the best way to describe it. It doesn't help that the location is such a boring one, as there are no obstacles or environment varieties to mix things up. The relentlessness would indeed make things unique, and give Dooku more much-needed character. I am still very firmly on the fence on this one. One thing I wouldn't want for sure though is the two fighting him together. Save that for RotS, and save the line that goes along with it as well.
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#156132
Topic
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/156132/action/topic#156132
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At last, Trooperman brings order to chaos!

Real life does take precedence, my friend. Some of us just have schedules that better allow for constant message board usage.

It's good to know everything's been sorted out for the end confrontation. This new exchange between Anakin and Dooku does provide him with the motivation to charge in at him, and solves the editing issues that would go along with that, but are we the audience to assume Padme is dead? That's kind of a cheesy scenario if I may say so myself. I didn't see what the fuss what about in the original movie either: she falls to the ground and lies unconscious in the desert. Surely one of the other gunships will pick her up, which is exactly what happens. All that aside, in your edit you have Dooku's droids shooting at her, which would presumably kill her. Anakin believes so and takes it out on Dooku, only to be defeated and when it's all said and done it's revealed she was alright all along. I have no problem with the editing of the sequence, ending the Geonosis scenes with all three main characters fallen in battle. It sets the tone for the coming war. What I do have a problem with is Anakin believing Dooku killed Padme. I do like added dialogue in the duel, as you said it gives it more an OT feel. Since you're dubbing Anakin, I'd encourage you to put in more dialogue anywhere it may fit, playing it off against any cut Dooku lines you won't be using in your version of the movie.
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#156032
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Idea: MY phantom edit
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/156032/action/topic#156032
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I don't think alien dubbing and subtitling is one of Rebel Scumb's methods, and if he does it it 1 he'd have to go back to his 2 and 3 edits and do it there as well.

Also, you know I am in complete agreement with your stance on the Anakin/Qui-Gon connection at the end of Episode 1. Rest assured if no one else gets around to making those alterations, Trooperman is definitely going to address it when it comes time for his edit 2 years from now.
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#156023
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Clive Revil
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/156023/action/topic#156023
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Originally posted by: skyjedi2005
that release was full screen and the quality is crap on that walmart disc I have it, worse than the vhs tapes I have for star wars.


Yeah, but I've heard of some of the editors here superimposing fullscreen over the part of the wisescreen that they wish. ocpmovie did used technique when recreating the original Jabba scene with that Irish guy as Jabba.

It won't work and here's why: There's nowhere close to the full scene on the disc, and in the small section that is there the dialogue is not in sync with the visuals. This is a common practice on this disc to make the story as short as possible.
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#155984
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Idea: MY phantom edit
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/155984/action/topic#155984
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Originally posted by: Rebel Scumb
I fall into the catagorey of fans that dislike AOTC more then TPM. Not that TPM is perfect, but I've always felt the issues with it were mostly conceptual, and not editorial. Anakin should of been older. Naboo should of been Alderaan, Obi-wan should of filled Qui-gon's role, etc.

Agreed, which is unfortunate when you consider how much can be improved through the power of editing these days. I'd totally encourage you to edit TPM and complete your trilogy of prequel edits. From what I've read yours seem to change the most overall plot, and while I'm not yet sure if it's for better or worse, like PSYCHO_DAYV said it's always nice to see something different.

As far as specifics go, without Sidious instagating most of the plot things might be rather confusing. For instance, the actions of the Trade Federation, and purpose of Darth Maul. Of course when you look at it this way the story would seem to be from the heros point of view, as they have no clear answers to those question either.
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#155979
Topic
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/155979/action/topic#155979
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Originally posted by: MTHaslett
I see you preserve the rescue and arrival of Padme with the Clones-- I guess your take is the sequence works better with that stuff in.

Can you help me get over my problem with that footage?-- what makes that stuff work for you?
I just think it's essential to see what happened to our other main character during the course of the end battle. Also, this would pad out the duel to make it appear longer, especially since Obi-Wan is going to be taken care of so quickly. Unlike in AotC, we should care about Padme in SotDS (), and want to know what happens to her. It just wouldn't feel right IMO to have her fall off the ship, a possiibly fatal accident, and then not see her again until all of the remaining action has concluded. I'm trying to think of another example in Star Wars to support my case, but none comes to mind unfortunately. I just feel her presence is necessary for both the flow of the finale and her importane as one of the Big 3 of the PT.

Originally posted by: twister111
In my edit I was thinking of having the events play out like this at the end battle.

-Padme falls off ship
-Arguement with Anakin and, Kenobi
-They follow Dooku a little bit after
-Padme gets up while telling clone to get to the hanger
-They follow Dooku to the place that they fight
-Yoda asks for a ship
-The fighting
-Yoda comes they fight
-Padme arrives after the fighting
-The rest of the ending

That's also a good way to change things up. Though we lose the breaking-up of the duel which might result in it feeling only 2 minutes long.

Originally posted by: Arklaine
I just wanted to put forward an opposing opinion… It’s up to Trooperman in the last, and I like everything he has done so far – and I’m scared by how good this project is turning out to be!

Don't worry nobody is offended, at least they shouldn't be. This is all about sharing thoughts and suggestions to get the best possible product out of Episode 2. I can see where your argument is coming from, too. Trooperman really needs to get back in here and make a few comments before things get totally out of control.