Colson

towne32 said:

Colson said:

Why is the DCP copy not considered a fantastic copy? It’s certainly better than the Blu-Ray and is pretty much perfect. It’s already available on the spleen.

I believe some people find it to be ruined because of the color of the skateboard wheels in one shot.

We are indeed a fickle bunch.

All right, you lunatics. I’m going to fix it, or try anyway. Don’t say I never did anything for you.

Why is the DCP copy not considered a fantastic copy? It’s certainly better than the Blu-Ray and is pretty much perfect. It’s already available on the spleen.

TServo2049 said:

I believe HDNet Movies still runs the 20th Anniversary version when they show the movie. Hiwever, if it happens to come on during their kids’ programming block, I believe they have their bug up more often (possibly over the whole movie). Or they at least did that in the past…

In theory, we could do a Harmy-style rotoscope so we don’t have to use the whole frame.

I know this is a dumb question with a simple answer, but:

What is the Team Blu version mentioned in the OP? I’ve only been around on the forum for a few months and am unaware of this version. What other releases has this Team Blu put out? Didn’t they do a GOUT upscale?

I’m going to put it on the spleen. This version of the movie is already there and is allowed, so I’m sure a higher quality copy will be fine.

EDIT: It’s up.

SnooPac said:

Wazzles said:

What about those of us who have triangular tablets?

You can do it towne

Unleash the power of the Pyramid!

poita said:

Beautiful.

DestronTC said:

Wazzles said:

DestronTC said:

So, I don’t know if anyone has discussed this yet, but I noticed on Jedi 2.5’s isolated score track that some of the lyrics in Lapti Nek play in the wrong order then they do in the film normally.

Also, out of curiosity, how did you guys manage to isolate Lapti Nek in the first place?

I think it’s the version from the soundtrack or the one that was released as a single. It happens to be different from the one that’s in the film itself.

But the version on the soundtrack has completely different vocals by a different singer. The version in despecialized’s isolated score has the film version’s vocals, just in a different order. That’s not how it was ever released to my knowledge.

I’ve just compared the two (isolated score vs. GOUT) and I can’t seem to find the differences. What are they?

SilverWook said:

And both get into trouble following crazy old guys around. 😉

Both have strange romantic involvements with immediate family members.

Fortunately, the changes are not extensive like in Star Wars, but a 35mm scan would be pretty awesome.

FrankT said:

Yes, it is.

So we’ve got the protagonists from the two best trilogies in movie history? Awesome.

FrankT said:

Well, that’s just uncanny!

Is yours Luke? I think it is, but I’m just not 100% sure.

THX11384EB said:

Completely off topic… Colson and FrankT, your avatars are too similar! lol

I call dibs.

LeLwrence said:

Memorex said:

AHandofJacks said:

Hey Towne, if your gonna make a 16:9 cropped version, can you make me a pan and scan version? It’s ideal for my CRT TV and I think most people would agree with me when I say it is the optimal way to watch Star Wars.

Sign me up for one Towne! Star Wars had no black bars in the cinema AFAIK, so I agree it’s completely ridiculous to add them to this project to begin with. I want the original version. I though this project was about the original version but clearly not. Hmpfh!

Since a few of you actually want pan and scan, this is a project you can do yourself and post on these forums. Just like Towne32 did a color correction of Harmy’s Despecialized and TN1’s SSE, you can take these sources and create your own pan and scan version.

I think/hope the two you quoted were joking.

thxita said:

Did I forget your name? Sorry Colson, I’ll fix it when I’m home.

Haha no worries 😃 I’m just glad the scan is happening. Eventually, it’ll be the copy I watch for my first ever viewing of the film. I’m waiting until then to watch it.

TJT said:

As a final note, after trying it - my opinion is that cropping to 1.85:1 is not ideal for Star Wars on TV… the screen becomes a bit too stuffed and image too near. I would say something like 2.21 or slightly less would be optimal preference for me… the image becomes slightly larger but doesn’t lose anything important from the sides really.

That’s how I prefer to do it, crop slightly but not too much, of course depending on a film.
Somehow this is seen as blasphemy here and deserves all kinds of vicious name calling and abuse.

Hard to believe that nobody here would never crop a film at all…for example one with 2.77:1 original aspect ratio… black bars become just too dominant and the image too narrow and small, at least on my TV. One option would be to move closer to TV but that of course is even worse - that is not how human vision works, is straining for the eyes and leads to actually less cinematic experience. So my final opinion on this is that cropping IS ok and people claiming otherwise are simply following the current norm, no doubt initiated by the auteur theory where a film maker’s vision is always seen as the correct one. If the sides were included in original film then that is how you must watch it, right? Ironically Lucas’ claim is that the special editions were actually his original vision so where does that lead the “widescreen purists” here…

So there.

Sorry to drudge this back up, but I’ve just returned to this thread after an absence and I just have to give my input here.

The issue is that almost everyone (and I do mean almost everyone) wants to see more of the movie, not less of it. To suggest that cropping the movie in any way would improve it seems a bit ridiculous; after all, you’d be seeing less movie! The blame rests with our 16:9 TVs, as they are not big enough horizontally to display the movie without black bars. So rather than foregoing all of that video on the sides, we make the whole thing fir the screen with letterboxing, because we want to see more Star Wars, not less.

Sorry guys, carry on.

Holy bajeezus. ow I just need to find some money.

thxita said:

I’ve updated the list of benefactors with a new entry.

Ahem 😃

Dek Rollins said:

Technically (and not taking the quality of said transfers into account), you would be correct. But, I love 35mm grain. That, the contrast, and of course, the color, would be the most enjoyable way to watch. It’s my preference. Also, even though the BD is transferred from the ON, it probably has a good level of DNR (not scrubbed, though).

In regards to 35mm grain, which would you prefer:

(1) A 35mm print with grain intact or
(2) A hypothetical transfer of this print with all detail and color intact, but without the grain

Dek Rollins said:

I know I would prefer a 35mm version over the BD, even if colour corrected.

May I ask why? Wouldn’t a 70mm transfer (the Blu-Ray) be better than a 35mm transfer?

poita said:

This is true for a negative, but for prints, especially release prints, there is rarely much information above 4K, and generally many films struggle to represent 2K resolution.

The blu-ray often has more detail than a release print, but not always and not consistently.

It is a bit hard to explain, but being able to scan from the negative lets you capture detail that never made it to the print, but sometimes there is fine detail in the print that is lost when you downscale to 1080P.

Grain is definitely a ‘fault’, it is the very definition of noise that obstructs the signal, but in many cases it was ‘used’ to help hide matte lines, blend separate elements or breathe a bit of life into a static shot. In other words, it was a known limitation, and was factored in to the final look of the film, and that makes it worth preserving in many cases.

Thanks for the explanation! My knowledge is severely limited.

Jp4195 said:

there was no HD back then

35mm film has an effective resolution way above 1080p and therefore has more detail. There was no “HD” in the sense that everything was analog, but there was more detail in the picture than on a modern 1080p Blu-Ray.

poita said:

Thanks to our trusty scanner, here is a quick sample, with some colour correction applied (the print is mostly pink).

http://tinyurl.com/thshinning (Shhhh… Ya wanta get sued?)

As usual the damage is worst at the start and end of each reel.

Wow, that second one looks incredible. The first one is super dirty, though that’s to be expected right at the beginning of a reel, as you mentioned.

It’s fascinating seeing this open matte.

boytcam said:

Stupid question maybe. Harmys is the only version of the OT I haven’t seen. I own blurays, DVDs, vhs, and even laserdiscs. Here’s the issue. I don’t have a PC, let alone bd burner or download programs. Is there anyway to get blu ray copies from somewhere? I can get access to a work PC to print my own labels, but I’d kill to have a nice bluray.

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