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HansiG said:

Could someone please send me a spare spleen invite? Please :3

PM’ed

poita said:

Final scans have arrived and I am working on them now. Unfortunately for the past 48 hours I and most of the rest of the family have been laid up with a particularly violent vomit bug. The kind where you think you are going to die, and then start wishing you would.

The print is very beatup in places, I have been working on some algorithms to help automate the process. I’ll pop out a low rez grindhouse, and a first cleaning pass version soon, so you can all follow along with the process.
Basically I analyse the film, work out some semi-automated routines, run those passes and then look for what didn’t work, and then start finessing it from there.
I’d be appreciative if people could join in and help ID the sections where my routines fail so I can modify them and then finally go through and do a manual pass to clean up any remaining problem areas.
It is particularly tricky due to the CRT flickering screens and fine details in some scenes, but overall it is great to watch a ‘film version’ even if it is in a language I don’t speak. It is a mostly visual film anyway 😃

I’d love to help. I speak a bit of Italian, so watching it would actually be good practice for me. What sort of stuff would I be looking for?

I’ll hop on that bandwagon and offer my existing 7 MySpleen invites, now that 2.7 has been released. Just PM me. I’ll delete this when they’re all gone.

EDIT: All gone.

towne32 said:

Since JP seems to be away for now, if anyone else who is familiar with the film would like to take a look, send me a PM. If you’re familiar with the SE changes, that’s great! If not, you can see if I missed anything here: http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=5229907 but that’s what I used as a guide, and it’s missing at least one thing.

If there are no errors, it should be the final video stream, but still needs to be muxed to a DTS track (it has lossy English audio included). Many of the SE shots look quite good. There’s a few that aren’t as impressive, but overall I think it looks decent.

What is the source of the DTS track?

Harmy said:

I love 3D - I have it at home and on a 10ft screen viewed from 10ft away, 3D feels much larger than 2D does - I suppose, it’s because when watching 2D, the brain realizes that the screen is still quite tiny compared to a real cinema but in 3D, the comparative distance is not so easy to discern.
Also, the image quality looks better to me in 3D - I would appreciate 4K in my projector when watching 2D, because I can still see the individual pixels but I can’t see them at all when watching a movie in 3D - I suppose it’s because the brain is getting twice as much picture information in 3D. I never had a problem with headaches or anything.
Actually, the 3D setup I have at home is better than in both local multiplexes - it produces nice, bright image and has no ghosting whatsoever, which is a problem I always had in the cinema, so now I don’t really go see 3D movies in cinema, see the 2D version and if it looks like it would be good 3D, I buy the 3D Blu-Ray, which is why I’m quite terrified by the news of BD3D losing support.

As for DVD, sure, for some movies, it is perfectly serviceable, if you’re watching on some tiny screen, but HD will still look better, which will then make the entire experience better.

Totally agree with you on 3D, Harmy, and I watch 3D on a 51" plasma.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Colson said:

Honestly, I wouldn’t mind a little pop-up before the movie on Blu-Rays asking which track it should play and explaining that those listening on TVs should choose the basic stereo.

There’s actually precedent for that. When DTS first hit the home media scene, not all DVD players supported it, so there would be a screen with a description of DTS and the option to enable it or choose Dolby Digital before taking you to the main menu.

Actually, now that I think about it, my Hell Freezes Over concert DVD has that.

yotsuya said:

Mockingjay PT 2 had such a track. I think all home video should default to a matrixed stereo track and full encoded surround should be an alternate.

Totally agree. Those of us with 5.1 setups are aware enough to remember to switch the track. Honestly, I wouldn’t mind a little pop-up before the movie on Blu-Rays asking which track it should play and explaining that those listening on TVs should choose the basic stereo.

yotsuya said:

I think 4k displays are a great thing. I think 4k (or higher) preservations of of titles is awesome. I think 4k home media is largely a waste. For most titles, DVD is still good. For high detail films, Blu-ray is pretty much all you need. Going higher produces diminishing returns and it won’t help most titles. Most titles aren’t 4k ready. I believe that 4k maxes out what 35mm film can capture. Higher is good for things shot on larger film stock, but those aren’t as common. I don’t think the average person is going to be able to tell the difference between 1080p and 4k. I think the extra display pixels will do more for the content than increasing the resolution of the content.

I know there are many people out there who will have a setup that enables them to really tell the difference, but they are a minority (though I’m not so sure that this site doesn’t lean the other way). 4k is more suited to 3D and gaming than motion pictures.

Just as a counter, I find DVD to be a last-ditch when (a) a Blu-Ray is not available and I really want to see a movie or (b) the Blu-Ray is of worse quality than the DVD.

Are you a wizard, DrDre? Maybe a Jedi? These look phenomenal.

burleybrawler said:

Hi guys.
Can’t believe I’ve just herd about this project.
Any chance of getting a spleen invite or link? Happy to seed forever.
Thanks

PM’ed

dahmage said:

Colson said:

TV’s Frink said:

I bought a 40" 4k TV and immediately noticed the difference.

I too noticed the difference. It definitely isn’t an SD-to-HD jump, but it is beautiful stuff. I will say that I really just love the depth of color on all of these new 4K TVs, with HDR and everything. The higher resolution is nice, but the color on a 4K OLED TV with an HDR Blu-Ray is unreal (or more real, I guess).

I love my current 1080p plasma from Samsung, but I won’t be buying another TV until I can get a 4K OLED screen for a decent price.

I too have a Samsung plasma which I love. I hope to never buy an LCD TV, but wait for better tech like oled or something else

Same here. I don’t want to have an LCD, so I’ll wait for a 4K OLED.

Discostu said:

It shouldn’t be forgotten that many films of the last decades had a 2K digital intermediate and can’t benefit from the jump to 4K technology.

Edit: at least not in resolution, color depth might be a different matter

Indeed, I’m far more interested in the color benefits than the resolution jump.

HansiG said:

You people give too much crap.

I understand being angry about the changes in OT, I myself hate those changes too. They change things directly in the movie, they interrupt the flow, they don’t fit in.

But being angry about a soundtrack being louder/less loud, a new sound effect, a removal of sound effect etc.? All movies do stuff that when they arrive on home video, because otherwise the sound would be awful.

I tend to agree. Most movies’ soundtracks are remixed slightly for home video to accommodate the different viewing circumstances.

TV’s Frink said:

I bought a 40" 4k TV and immediately noticed the difference.

I too noticed the difference. It definitely isn’t an SD-to-HD jump, but it is beautiful stuff. I will say that I really just love the depth of color on all of these new 4K TVs, with HDR and everything. The higher resolution is nice, but the color on a 4K OLED TV with an HDR Blu-Ray is unreal (or more real, I guess).

I love my current 1080p plasma from Samsung, but I won’t be buying another TV until I can get a 4K OLED screen for a decent price.

Mavimao said:

FrankT said:

Mavimao said:

FrankT said:

Oh no, they changed the sound mix? There’s always something, isn’t there?

I don’t know why people are surprised… Sound mixes are always remixed for home cinemas on Bluray.

Maybe they retained it for the 4K version.

I don’t know why that would change anything… Films are remixed to account for the audio dynamics of a certain space. Big theatre =/= living room.

Potentially they could include all of the mixes on the larger disc, since there’s room.

Papai2013 said:

Yes, we’ve seen that. But for this 35mm print, we want to see the whole thing - fill width and full height. The 1.33:1 and 1.85:1 versions are already available in abundance on home video media. The print is unique and many of us are interested in seeing the entire image.

I totally agree. If the entire movie is cropped in the same way in the 1.85:1 version, I’ll volunteer to make a 1.85 version of the final scanned print for anyone who wants it.

Darth Lucas said:

Colson said:

Darth Lucas said:

yoda-sama said:

towne32 said:

Navigating folders at all on a mac makes me sad. As does finding if someone bothered to port a piece of software to it. 😃

Oh, I agree, Mac navigation is terrible (you seem to need to inherently know what you’re doing and where things are to simply get around). I think it is already pretty well known I’m a Linux guy.

I guess when you’ve used macs your whole life it seems pretty intuitive. Haha

I don’t think it’s hard, just different.

As a Windows guy, I’ll agree with you. It’s largely just a matter of knowing what you’re accustomed to, as far as the ease of use of the different OSes goes.

Yeah cuz when I use Windows, I’m completely lost. Haha

Which to me is funny, because OS X is a maze to me 😃

Darth Lucas said:

yoda-sama said:

towne32 said:

Navigating folders at all on a mac makes me sad. As does finding if someone bothered to port a piece of software to it. 😃

Oh, I agree, Mac navigation is terrible (you seem to need to inherently know what you’re doing and where things are to simply get around). I think it is already pretty well known I’m a Linux guy.

I guess when you’ve used macs your whole life it seems pretty intuitive. Haha

I don’t think it’s hard, just different.

As a Windows guy, I’ll agree with you. It’s largely just a matter of knowing what you’re accustomed to, as far as the ease of use of the different OSes goes.

BobaJett said:

Colson said:

What do you mean you had in a drawer? What is it?

Its one of those 70mm collector frames they made years ago. I had asked sometime back where they got the frames for those and was told they were “made” specifically for those collector thingees to sell. What does that mean? Did they just make faux prints from another source to look like it was cut from an actual 70mm reel? Anyways, I just wanted an excuse to scan it so I could actually make out the detail in it.
Also, being that I have difficulty discerning color anomalies, I thought Id post it in this thread for those of you who have a better eye. It helps me recognize certain things that I might not even realize without it being pointed out.

Awesome, thanks.

ToasterBoy said:

Awesome! Except I don’t have myspleen.

PM’ed

What do you mean you had in a drawer? What is it?

PDB said:

Thanks guys, glad you enjoyed it. Since I wanted to put this together quickly a few issues have been pointed out so I might have to do a version 2 sometime or release the 4K version cut down to the international cut, which is what I worked on first.

I would be super interested in any improvements or iterations on this. What are the problems mentioned?

Sluggo said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I hate the line in its current ESB SE spot, but I’ve never thought it sounded like anyone but James Earl Jones.  I don’t know where people are getting that idea.

The line doesn’t sound like JEJ to me.  It doesn’t sound like Vader does in the rest of the original movie or like the new Vader lines recorded for the new dialogue with the Emperor for the 2004 release.

I agree with you. I just looked it up, and that does not sound like JEJ to me at all.

CatBus said:

it had a different tone like it was spliced in from a totally different audio source, and it just made no sense at all in context.

That’s pretty much what the English version sounds like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3u70WELSEg

TR2N said:

Colson said:

TR2N said:

clutchins said:

So now we have to find the theatrical mix?

I can offer the German one.

German dub?

Yepp

Well poop.

TR2N said:

clutchins said:

So now we have to find the theatrical mix?

I can offer the German one.

German dub?