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I really liked the clip. I felt like the audio was a bit “abrupt” when Obi-Wan started talking, and it “breaks off” with the tradition of every SW movie end with a silent scene, but ultimately I’m ok with it. Great job.
Wow Dom, great job! I actually think it’s perfect, the “crescendo” helps to build tension to Obi-Wan and Yoda going back to the temple, even if you cut the scene of them facing the clone troopers. Honestly, I think it’s great.
Yeah I saw it too, amazing. Can’t wait to see the final product next year.
Wow! I loved the way you made them both jump one right after the other. Not entirely sure about the audio pieces though.
White Christmas lmao
I think some of the criticism that’s been directed at TLJ should be directed at TFA instead. TFA set up its sequels with having to answer so many questions that should’ve been answered by TFA itself. It worked as a first part in a two parter, and it should’ve been a standalone film to set things up, like Star Wars and even The Phantom Menace were.
One example is Snoke and the First Order. Why not just tell us how he rose to power and how the First Order came to be in TFA? Why leave it to the other movies? But no, screw it. TFA shouldn’t have left a mystery box for the other movies to fill.
Possible. What do we do about Rose’s injuries? I also like the kiss, I think we can utilize deleted scenes on the Star Destroyer to build up Finn and Rose’s relationship a bit more (supposedly there’s a scene where Finn tries to flatten Rose’s hair, a small character moment but I think it could be nice), but the “It’s not about who you hate, it’s about who you love” line needs to go. Finn asks her why she did that and she just kisses him without saying anything and passes out.
Oh, my plan was to cut everything showing Rose after the speeder run is done. It’s implied she is still with the resistance. Ooh, I thought of this idea just now as I’m writing but I really like it.
So here’s what would happen. Speeders are getting picked off left and right like how we see in the normal film. And before the last speeder gets shot, we see a shot of Rose looking afraid or something and then her speeder gets destroyed, cut to instant reaction of Finn, cut right to Poe saying they have to break off, and then cut right back to Finn saying “I won’t let them win” very passionately. So then his speeder run is an emotional response to avenging Rose.
So you’d kill Finn?
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0dqWRYwKNGcBLnOpmT-6vkshfPtS_j8V
This guy uploaded basically the closest thing we’ll get to a “Ultimate Edition” for all the SW soundtracks. This is his playlist for Star Wars, for example.
Adywan, would you say you’re focusing more on this project or on RotJ:R?
(Sorry for asking so many questions)
Yeah, this is a criticism I don’t understand. Why are people expecting this movie to obey the laws of physics if they give all other 8 a pass?
Regarding the Leia scene, I just think the execution was goofy and I don’t like the idea that she was alive in outer space after the room she was in blew up. That just feels weird.
Going to an isolated tranquil place to live out the rest of one’s life/to die is not the same as suicide. If Luke wanted to kill himself there are faster ways to do it in an X-Wing.
Hadn’t thought of it that way. Good enough reason for me.
People complain about Jyn being an underdeveloped character in R1, but where we are now after TFA and TLJ, she’s got a lot more depth than Rey does at this stage and that’s after only one movie.
I felt like Cassian had more of a character arc than Rey.
I see Rey’s fast progress as playing catchup to Kylo. Everything she has learned as been from him. He tries to read her mind and then she reads his. He tries to use the force on her and then she uses it on the Stormtrooper. He is skilled with the lightsaber and she uses the same trick. Kylo is her teacher, not Luke. That is why she has what she needs already. Plus the patience. Her conflict is with Kylo, her equal in nearly every area. Yes, she is picking up these incredible powers, but she is facing an adversary even more powerful and practiced. I see that as her character’s main conflict. Luke’s was learning the patience to do things right. Rey has the patience and she just needs the skills and some clue how to deal with Kylo and save the galaxy. I don’t think things are as easy for her as some are making it out. The force powers are not her challenge. Kylo is her challenge. No one else who has faced him has had any impact on him. So I don’t find her fast learning of force powers to make her a Mary Sue because they only put her on equal footing with her adversary. He character journey is defined in other ways, not by the force powers she is learning. When you look at her scenes with Kylo, she has not had it easy at all. Things have not gone her way. She doesn’t have it too easy by any means.
Vader was also better than Luke in every way possible until Return of the Jedi. In the other 2 OT movies Vader beat Luke (including in Luke’s area of expertise: flying). So Luke had to overcome his adversary and become his superior in order to win, like Rey, AND learn to be patient and about the ways of the force, having to face many challenges along the way.
You say Kylo is Rey’s challenge - I respectfully disagree. She’s better than him in every single way possible. She hasn’t been bested by him at all, she in fact kicked his a**, and the second movie in a trilogy should be the character’s low point, where they suffer, where they lose. Yet Rey didn’t suffer in this movie at all. She had to face the reality of who her parents are, yes, but she never cared about that after those 1 or 2 scenes anyway.
I just wanted her to be a more compelling character, a more well developed character, because she’s extremely charismatic, and would be such a likeable protagonist, but unfortunately she’s just a bland and flat character to me.
Another nitpicky thing: why was Luke alive? If he wanted to die, honestly, why didn’t he just kill himself? Like, really, it took him a long while to decide that he should do something worthwhile.
“I came here to die” well just jump from the cliff buddy you’ll be dead in 5 sec!! It would have been the easiest way for the Jedi to end and etc. (and this is actually a very serious matter)
The blue elephant in the room here is ROTJ. In ANH and TESB, the Force was basically space-yoga. It was something that anyone with the correct discipline/attitude etc could learn and perfect - the only caveat being that it was really difficult. It was implied that Luke might follow in his old man’s footsteps and have an aptitude for it, but that’s no crazier than potentially being a great footballer 'cos your Dad was. There was also nothing to suggest that Obi Wan and Yoda had plans for Luke. Obi was in retirement and Yoda seemed to have quit the Jedi business entirely.
ROTJ threw this all out the window by making Luke and Leia a potential threat by birthright alone (necessitated by making Leia the ‘other’ despite no previous Jedi connections whatsoever) and creating that ‘hidden from the Emperor’ nonsense. So now these abilities were inherited. Suddenly Leia was all cosmically aware (“he wasn’t, I can feel it”) purely because she was a Skywalker.
This continues from my previous response to you and affirms my own obsessive nerd qualities.
I am an unrepentant ROTJ apologist and I fancy myself the blue elephant in the room, as you can see from my name.
I see nothing wrong with the idea that Force sensitivity can run in families. That doesn’t mean anyone born into a family will have it nor that anybody else can’t.
Leia could well have been suppressing that part of her psyche because it was at odds with her upbringing or simply uncomfortable for her to admit. Don’t forget that Leia was the one to sense Luke hanging out under Cloud City in ESB. You could say that was all Luke’s doing or recognize it was the first inklings that Leia had latent sensitivity to the Force.
In ROTJ, when Vader referenced the possibility of using turning Leia to the dark side, that was clearly a threatening tactic, not total confidence that Leia would be powerful simply by virtue of her relation.
The idea that anybody could harness the Force if only they tried is far less compelling to me.
But when The Empire Strikes Back was released Leia wasn’t Luke’s sister.
And for purpose of narrative it makes the later reveal make all the more sense.
Behind the scenes intentions that we now know about are a different matter.
Yeah, you’re right.
The blue elephant in the room here is ROTJ. In ANH and TESB, the Force was basically space-yoga. It was something that anyone with the correct discipline/attitude etc could learn and perfect - the only caveat being that it was really difficult. It was implied that Luke might follow in his old man’s footsteps and have an aptitude for it, but that’s no crazier than potentially being a great footballer 'cos your Dad was. There was also nothing to suggest that Obi Wan and Yoda had plans for Luke. Obi was in retirement and Yoda seemed to have quit the Jedi business entirely.
ROTJ threw this all out the window by making Luke and Leia a potential threat by birthright alone (necessitated by making Leia the ‘other’ despite no previous Jedi connections whatsoever) and creating that ‘hidden from the Emperor’ nonsense. So now these abilities were inherited. Suddenly Leia was all cosmically aware (“he wasn’t, I can feel it”) purely because she was a Skywalker.
This continues from my previous response to you and affirms my own obsessive nerd qualities.
I am an unrepentant ROTJ apologist and I fancy myself the blue elephant in the room, as you can see from my name.
I see nothing wrong with the idea that Force sensitivity can run in families. That doesn’t mean anyone born into a family will have it nor that anybody else can’t.
Leia could well have been suppressing that part of her psyche because it was at odds with her upbringing or simply uncomfortable for her to admit. Don’t forget that Leia was the one to sense Luke hanging out under Cloud City in ESB. You could say that was all Luke’s doing or recognize it was the first inklings that Leia had latent sensitivity to the Force.
In ROTJ, when Vader referenced the possibility of using turning Leia to the dark side, that was clearly a threatening tactic, not total confidence that Leia would be powerful simply by virtue of her relation.
The idea that anybody could harness the Force if only they tried is far less compelling to me.
But when The Empire Strikes Back was released Leia wasn’t Luke’s sister.
But, later Maz tells Rey “Han told [her]” about how she wants to remain on Jakku. The movie just didn’t want us to watch Han tell Maz what we already know.
Uhh I didn’t catch that. Nice! In another topic, in what formats is V2.1 going to come out? Thanks!
^ I won’t be doing that. I think TFA reads perfectly reasonably with that (lack of) revelation in mind. Going by TFA alone, I think the logical conclusion is that she is, at the very least, not related to any of the other important characters. All Han would have told Maz is just that she joined up with them and is wanting to stay on Jakku because of her family.
I do feel that TLJ is deeply incongruous with TFA, but oddly enough the Rey thing isn’t really why.
I agree with you. Still though, the only line that I feel was a “we’re hiding something” was Maz asking who’s the girl and the movie cutting away before Han could “reveal” anything.
(But I loved the payoff so I wouldn’t cut any of the lines 😄)
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About the last minute small changes to get a better alignment between TFA and its sequel, don’t you think the following lines should be removed ? (as mentioned in the TLJ-fanedit ideas topic)
Maz’s “Who’s the girl ?”
Kylo’s “The girl I’ve heard so much about”
Not sure if that’s the purpose of this edit.
There’s something special about Rey. Since it’s highly unlikely that it’s a case of famous parents, the other obvious explanation is that the Force was awakened in her for some purpose, and I think it’s logical to conclude that it’s for the purpose of finding Luke due to her proximity to the Falcon and so forth.
I don’t think that just anyone can be a Jedi, you have to have a special talent for it. But to some extent, everyone in this universe can be attuned to the Force. The Force controls a person’s actions, but very few manage to get the Force to obey their commands.
Yeah but I’d argue that this isn’t believable, because nothing like this ever happened before and we have a huge pre existing and established lore for Star Wars. So it gets a bit unbelievable.
- Move the throne room sequence to after The Resistance lands on Crait.
I think that’s a great idea, as that whole scene felt like the climax, even though the movie still had a half-hour left. That said, you’d have to move Holdo’s sacrifice, and come skip Phasma’s scenes entirely to allow Finn and Rose to escape before being caught, as they only survived due to Holdo’s sacrifice. This also would result in cutting out DJ’s betrayal, but if you cut out Canto Blight, you could out his character entirely.
But didn’t Holdo’s sacrifice pretty much destroyed Snoke’s ship? So wouldn’t it be weird if the throne room scene occurred with half of the ship blown up and he’s just there doing nothing and so are Ren and Rey?
Well, I’d drop my 0.02 in about the jokes and what to cut and what not cut.
-For starters, I would like to cut the “can you hear me?” joke, it removes the tension from the first act, and does not give the audience time to change emotions when Paige dies.
-The Luke and Rey antics at Ach-To, I personally do not like Luke throwing the saber, it kind of makes Luke more of a dick, and it also breaks the tension. But if that was meant to break it, then they executed it horribly. From memory, if you cut that joke out, then it leaves a bit of a continuity error where Rey suddenly picks up the lightsaber from a different place.
-Some jokes that I like during the Luke/Rey scenes were the “Jakku is pretty much nowhere” joke and the “I can feel it” joke. The first one shows Luke’s naiveness and that it reminds us that he is still the same guy who whines about going to Tosche Station. The second joke is also of similar note.
-The BB8 antics are too reminiscent of the Prequels and the Droids cartoon, and also gets annoying at times.
-During the battle between Hologram Luke vs Kylo Ren at Crait, he brushes himself off in a sarcastic way after bombarded by AT-M6’s. And I think it does not need to omitted since it shows his cockiness and again, reminds us of the same Luke Skywalker in the OT.Well, thats it.
I second this.
For me, I hated this movie but I can see myself trying to improve it. The goal of my edit would be to focus the film on Luke, Kylo, and Rey.
Cut “Canto Bight” subplot: Was pointless to the film and only served to pad runtime. (To be replaced by deleted scenes of Luke training Rey perhaps?) We pick up with Finn and Rose talking to JD in hyperspace.
Move the throne room sequence to after The Resistance lands on Crait.
Cut Poe’s “Prank Call” to Hux
Make Luke more heroic
Minimize “Marvel-Style” humor
That’s for starters.
How would you make Luke even more heroic?
Eh I get that you’re excited about Rey redefining what means to be a Jedi but isn’t that exactly what Luke did/was expected to do post-RotJ??? I mean, they literally picked his character arc, re skinned it and just gave him anew character arc to fit in with the new Luke. So, in a way, Luke’s also just plot device. Only in a way though.
That’s not entirely true. Yoda wanted Luke to ‘pass on what you have learned’, implying that the Jedi would come back, or return, as they were before the purge. There was no talk of ‘redefining what it means to be a Jedi’. In TLJ, Luke explicitly states that the Jedi should end, and specifically avoids teaching Rey the rules and dogma of the Jedi. She really is free to make her own way.
Yeah but Luke learned things so differently than the Jedi from the past. He was the Jedi that Vader wanted to be and the council wouldn’t let him because of the Jedi code. Luke knew nothing of the code and strict rules and habits of the old Jedi. He had his idea of what being a Jedi really meant, and he was going to pass THAT on. But apparently he decided to become a pond of the Jedi council, ultimately failing and making his Jedi Order seem like a WW1 to Rey’s Jedi Order being WW2. (In a sense that WW1 is the “forgotten” war and WW2 the “important” one)
At the point of the OT, both Yoda and Obi-Wan had more loose views on the Jedi code too, and that’s what they taught Luke, and even so Luke challenged them and did what he thought was right, becoming the “best Jedi”.
That’s always been my understanding of it, what I thought had happened. That’s one of the main reasons why the new Star Wars got mixed feelings from me.
Sorry if you already answered this Adywan (or someone that knows), but will the 720p version have a PURIST version too? And is Vader going to have his lightsaber ignited from the start, and Obi-Wan ignite his in the normal time?