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#1155547
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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ray_afraid said:

Collipso said:

I don’t think we need important things happening all the time.

Anybody else think it’d be cool if TFA was titled Ep. 10? Even if a middle trilogy was never made (and I’d hope it wasn’t), it would inspire imagination the way titling ANH Ep. 4 did and be a cool way to acknowledge that some important things have happened in the meantime. Maybe just me.

Yes, I would’ve loved that. It feels so much more like an Episode X than an Episode VII. The way it was made it feel like it needs a prequel, a lot more than the OT needed.

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#1155526
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Revenge of the Sith (The New Canon Cut) [ON HOLD INDEFINITELY]
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NFBisms said:

The audio for the elevator sequence got corrupted when I transferred the files from my laptop to my computer, so I have re-edit that portion, but that should be pretty easy. I have class tomorrow though, so I think the “let-it-render-while-I’m-at-school” plan will have to wait until I can start re-editing over next weekend, then I can probably render next Monday.

sorry about that lol

Don’t be sorry! I’m super excited to see the final product! Hope you have a good school week!

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#1155521
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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DominicCobb said:

Part of the thing is that Luke/Leia/Han are no longer the central heroes. So expecting them to show us these big events in their lives is expecting a different approach entirely. They are no longer the focus.

Plus, part of the idea here is starting at the lowest point (or near close to it) and finding the hope and fighting forward for the light from there.

I agree with you, but starting at the lowest point with a new hope is literally the plot of the OT, and we’ve already seen it.

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#1155518
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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Frank your Majesty said:

One fault of ROTS is that it basically tells us “nothing interesting happened for 20 years after this movie” and you suggest they should have done the same for episode 7? No thanks.

I disagree. I don’t think we need important things happening all the time. The natural progression post-RotJ in my view would be the eventual rise of the republic and the training of a new reformed Jedi Order that has almost nothing to do with the PT-Jedi Order because Luke is nothing like them. Apparently the latter didn’t happen, but the Republic thing did. But that’s not really exciting, and is nothing unexpected that would need to be documetned.

But there was this crazy thing in the Jedi temple where Kylo Ren killed everyone. There was turmoil in the republic and Leia going rogue and forming a resistance. The weak remnants of the Empire growing super strong. So that are things that if you just tell me that they happen I won’t really believe it.

My argument will eventually go back to the FO and Snoke being severely underdeveloped, combining it with the 3 flashbacks trying to sell me that Luke would almost kill his nephew. No thanks.

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#1155517
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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Jeebus said:

Collipso said:

Frank your Majesty said:

They skipped 30 years because George took a break after ROTJ and here is no way to go back to that period, now.

But they chose to make it a period where several important things happened, rather than progressing the story in a more natural way, so that we could have Empire vs rebels again.

What do you think would’ve been a natural progression of the story?

What I mean is that we saw such a huge jump from RotJ reality to TFA reality with barely any explanation that it doesn’t feel very natural to me. Like I said in a previous post, I believe that the ST is a possible future, but several plot points aren’t developed enough to make me believe that all that happened and everything that has to happen would actually happen.

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#1155504
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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Frank your Majesty said:

They skipped 30 years because George took a break after ROTJ and here is no way to go back to that period, now.

But they chose to make it a period where several important things happened, rather than progressing the story in a more natural way, so that we could have Empire vs rebels again.

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#1155501
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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DominicCobb said:

ray_afraid said:

DominicCobb said:

People who are mad that things got turned upside down in the ST didn’t truly want the ST to begin with (and that’s okay).

That’s not true. Just because someone didn’t want things reset to our heroes being a small band of rebels against a huge empire again doesn’t at all mean that they didn’t want more stories. It’s not as if there’s no other story to tell.

I’m not saying the ST had to be this exact story, but, barring something stupid as shit like an extragalactic threat, it was always going to be some sort of version of this.

For the ST to have stakes and not be entirely worthless and without meaning, the victory at the end of ROTJ had to be challenged to some extent, and the characters had to be something other than the boring, irreproachable and unharmable “heroes” we got in the EU.

I’d argue that they skipped a trilogy worth of stories that happened in 30 years in order to reset the galaxy to the same old status quo. And that the ST was one of the possible futures of all that happened.

But they could’ve made Episode VII and VIII different with the same status quo without undoing everything our heroes did.

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#1155472
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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Matt.F said:

Got to love this forum. Post a no name you tuber review and it gets + comments, but quote an expert like Mark Kermode or Chris Taylor and it gets dismissed…

Why should his interpretation of the ending of a 1983 movie matter more than mine? What makes him an expert in analyzing Star Wars endings? I mean, I know he looked deep into it, but I think we all did that too. I totally respect him and stuff, but I’m pretty sure I’ve watched RotJ at least 20x more than he.

Victories in the real world don’t last, yes, but I’m not sure if the point of Star Wars was ever to be realistic or “peace doesn’t last” sort of message. In fact, I thought Lucas went out of his way while making Return of the Jedi to ensure that the movie would have a happy ending. Yeah I guess the ST would undone this anyway, but I don’t like the approach of “systematically destroying everything our OT heroes built”.

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#1155396
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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So I just read something that really made me think, and honestly I agree with pretty much everything. It is as follows:

"At the end of episode VI, the protagonists had achieved something. The Jedi. Redemption. Republic. All those things were systematically annihilated to the point of no return. With TLJ, the current artists have said that there is no impact done by the heroes of the original trilogy, and have set to kill them all, break down what they have built, and salt the earth. Not a single thing they have built stood, and it has all been washed away. This was not necessary to tell a story: you could tell a story where a Jedi Order or a Republic existed, even if far away, in another corner of the galaxy. You could tell good stories with that. But they have decided, explicitly, to destroy everything the heroes have built, show their success means nothing, and kill them all.

And if they did not intend to do that, well. Are they incapable of thinking? Because that is what they did.

They have shown that victory is fleeting and has no meaning, for all evil has to do is sneeze and remove everything that has been won from the board. All of it. All will crumble so easily. I don’t… really feel good about Star Wars, and may even skip Episode IX at this moment, since… if they win? What then? It will be another desperate fight to the last moment against a superior foe (and hint, if you don’t want geeks to wank to your villains, you should not make them superior to the heroes in every way, at all times) until they win in the end, at which point, like the end of this, we are told it is all good… but it isn’t, really. They will all just die, and all they did, will just crumble, right around the corner.

Or, worse, they will not. Johnston may go on to direct his trilogy, where heroes will win, and live happily ever after, and gain the rewards of retirement.

This is how artists tend to work, after all - especially the ones beloved of geekdom. Send off your heroes into the sunset. Murder those other people created in ways that make them appear pathetic, lesser, and unimportant. Much like the people who made this movie, geekdom loves the things of their childhoods but also feel so ashamed they want to destroy them to… prove something. I’m not sure what.

I love the current crew. I love Finn, and Rey, and particularly Poe, who may be my favorite Star Wars character of all time (on the note I was on #TeamSkywalker on the original trilogy)… but they are not that much better than the OT crew that the OT crew deserved to have their works annihilated, their successes pissed on, and their lives taken just for their aggrandizement. If anything, this makes me like characters I loved - the new ones - far less. The movie is either very confused on that fact, or pretty clear when it points out Finn shouldn’t sacrifice himself, but then has Luke… sacrifices himself.

And all as tax. He dies because he lost his will to live, without even so much as strangling and having to give birth; all because they had to kill one OT hero per movie, at least. All for something as mechanic as a tax.

He could have just… survived. Been able to go on, to teach a new generation, to learn from his failures rather than to die as one. But that was not allowed.

It just leaves me rather hollow with their views on storytelling, on collaborative storytelling, and on characters, in general."

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#1155391
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Which franchise is bigger and more iconic Star Wars or Harry Potter
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one69chev said:

I understand that Harry Potter has a huge fan base, but Star Wars quite literally revolutionized the way movies were made. I don’t see how the same could be said about the HP franchise.

I know right. In terms of importance, I’d argue maybe Jurassic Park for special effects, or maybe Lord of the Rings.

Honestly though, I don’t think any franchise gets close to how iconic and how big Star Wars is.

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#1155228
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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Hardcore Legend said:

Collipso said:

What’s the problem with Rey’s vision of seeing her parents leave in a spaceship? I’m sure that would be extremely traumatic. Why do they have to be important people simply because she saw them leaving? Yes, the way it was setup left the audience wondering who are those people, and if we knew them. But the characters weren’t giving any fucks at all, except for Rey. I don’t see what’s the big deal about it. Simply because we saw them leave, it doesn’t make them more important or less, or changes who they are.

They were junkers that sold her for beer money but had a fancy ship they could leave the planet on? I guess they could have sold her for passage off the planet but Kylo says they are buried there on the planet.

Furthermore, it is implied Kylo knows her (or at least JJ was leaning that way). Besides the “what girl” line, in the novelization he says to her in the forest “it IS you!”

The novelizations are full of contradictions nowadays, even after Disney canon and stuff. And I don’t see why they couldn’t have gone back to the planet, even told Rey that they planned to come back at some point (hence her desire in believing that they’ll come back) but not necessarily come back to her or anything like that.

I can see why you guys think that, but it really didn’t cross my mind at all. I was just ok with it I guess. Maybe I’m an apologist now??? 😮

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#1155214
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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What’s the problem with Rey’s vision of seeing her parents leave in a spaceship? I’m sure that would be extremely traumatic. Why do they have to be important people simply because she saw them leaving? Yes, the way it was setup left the audience wondering who are those people, and if we knew them. But the characters apparently don’t care at all, except for Rey. I don’t see what’s the big deal about it. Simply because we saw them leave, it doesn’t make them more important or less, or changes who they are.

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#1155212
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Han - Solo Movie ** Spoilers **
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About the 2008 Clone Wars cartoon: I like some of it, but I think most of its content conflicts with the actual movies way too much. Am I supposed to believe that “it’s unfair!” Anakin from Episode III or “he’s jealous! He’s holding me back!” Anakin from Episode II wasn’t granted the rank of master for whatever reason, even though he was a good teacher and a great general? I mean, it would suit Darth Vader, for sure, but not RotS Anakin, and even less AotC Anakin.

Also the whole chip idea is stupid, but apparently it was necessary due to their approach to the clone troopers. I loved the Star Wars: Battlefront 2 (2005) campaign and the idea that the clones knew what they had to do from the start, and that is still canon in my heart.

So the cartoon is good like 60% of the time and really bad and childish in others, but it simply doesn’t fit with the movies for me. I personally think Star Wars: Clone Wars (2003) is better in every way.

But this should either have its own thread or be discussed in a neutral thread.

About Solo, I’m going in with 0 expectations. I’m not even thinking about what I want or anything like that, I really don’t know what they could do. I hope I’m pleasantly surprised. Only thing I’m hoping for is for it not to have some Rogue One-type cameos more specifically the guys from the bar being in Jedha, but I’ll give R2 and 3PO cameos a pass, because apparently they should appear in every movie.

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#1155158
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The Force Awakens: Starlight (V1.1 Released!)
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NeverarGreat said:

I don’t know how I’d improve on the lightsaber battle. I had some ideas the other night about how Rey might appear to Kylo Ren near the end. The image in my mind was that Rey could take on a more menacing appearance as a result of channeling what is pretty clearly the Dark Side, and Ren is so taken aback by this that he cedes ground to her in surprise and fear. But it’s not a priority for this edit, since I think it was done fairly competently in the original version.

I was watching Ironman23’s TFA edit, and he cut out a few shots before they reach the cliff and after Rey goes into overpowered mode more towards the end of the fight, and I actually really liked how it turned out. Better than the original form. It makes it more believable to me, I think. Because she just wins, and barely now, instead of literally kicking his butt.

I have the link for his edit, so PM me if you’d want to watch it.

He also takes out several bad joke attempts that I thoroughly agree with. But I really just commented because of the lightsaber fight thing.