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ChainsawAsh said:

Which part?

HAL said he’ll be providing the lossless audio in PCM format as a W64 file (as WAV has a file size limit). If you open the MKV in either mkvtoolnix or tsmuxer, you can add the W64 file and create a new MKV or a BDMV folder with the lossless PCM audio instead of (or in addition to) the Dolby Digital audio.

As for the other part, I can’t get any of HAL’s projects to burn to a Blu-Ray disc and play without errors in my PS4. Other people have had similar issues, but none of the proposed solutions have worked for me. I’m hopeful that the fact that I now have a standalone player (not a game console) will fix the problem for me.

That actually made sense hahaha. Thanks. Hope the Blu-Ray works now, and new awesome addition to your collection I presume. 😄

I didn’t mind the weaponization of lightspeed. I think the objects would have to have a logical size in order to be effective (X-Wing + Hyperdrive + Death Star wouldn’t work), and I don’t remember any other occasion where it would’ve been worth to lightspeed yourself into something. Both the Rebel Alliance and the Resistance were always short on resources which would make hyperdriving one ship into something way too costly, a too big of a sacrifice to be worth it.

I think in the end we all agreed Luke was choking them?

Ash, man, I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.

Thank you guys. It was great rewatching Donnie Darko’s theatrical cut. Maybe in the next few months I’ll try to watch the director’s cut.

Special thanks to ChainsawAsh, that with his profile picture made me want to watch Futurama again and I’ve been having a blast! Thanks!

The thread got pretty toxic too, so I don’t think it’s worth reading all of its 160 pages. Maybe read the first 50 if you’re really interested, because after that the same arguments just kept coming back again and again.

I don’t like sand.

ChainsawAsh said:

Luke in exile because he failed at training Han and Leia’s child was straight from Lucas’ outline he sold to Disney in 2012. The biggest difference was, in his outline, that would have been part of the story told in VII, rather than something that happened between VI and VII. Luke would exile himself in VII after a character based on Darth Talon literally seduced Han and Leia’s kid to the dark side with Luke failing at preventing this, then Luke would have to be found by “Kira” (later Rey) in VIII.

Lucas hired Arndt to write VII, but he had a problem with Luke in VII taking too much focus away from the new leads. It was Abrams’ and Kasdan’s idea to make finding Luke the MacGuffin of VII, pushing his appearance to the ending to avoid overshadowing the new leads, which also meant that the fall of Ben Solo had to happen off-screen before VII.

There’s more of Lucas’ ST in the final product than many are claiming, but his VII pretty much got split between the final version of VII and VIII.

Where did you find all this info?

That’s too bad, this was one of the projects I was looking forward to the most.

ZkinandBonez said:

Hehe

A not so gentle restructure.

It really seemed like Finn was more than able to destroy the cannon to me. He was still going relatively fast in the cannon’s direction, while all the others turned back, which it in itself is a plot hole (how did Rose even get to him?) and something I noticed upon first viewing.

suspiciouscoffee said:

Hi again. I’d like to thank everyone for the well wishes, and return such wishes, especially to Bingo right now.

Some new developments have come up recently with Phil, which is not his name, but what I will call him for the remainder of this post. I came out to Phil a couple of days ago. Crush notwithstanding, we’ve been good friends for a while and I figured it was okay to tell him. He said he already suspected for a while, which struck me as odd, as all my other irl friends who are currently in-the-know seemed to be surprised by my coming-out. Phil went on to say that he had-and I promise, I’m not making this up-been analyzing my sense of humor for months and reached the conclusion that I wasn’t straight. The next day, I apologized for coming out (I apologize for everything regardless of whether I have any reason to, it’s a thing). He replied by saying, “no, no, this is good!” and gave me a surprisingly enthusiastic smile and thumbs up.

He never said anything about his own sexuality, though. Maybe I’m looking too hard into this out of desperation, but straight guys don’t tend to analyze their bros’ sexuality, right? That isn’t exactly a “no homo” thing to do. Also, a mutual friend told me Phil’s never seemed interested in girls, and they’ve known each other years longer than I have.

So now I just… ¯\ _(ツ)_/¯

I do not know what kind of advice I could give you coffee, but I really hope for the best. What I can tell you is that several friends of mine turned out to be gay, and I had absolutely no idea that they were before they told me. Speaking for myself, it’s not something I find noticeable or particularly try to notice on purpose.

Was Ragnarok any good? I ended up not watching that one theatrically, unfortunately. And does anyone know when will the bluray come out?

Hal 9000 said:

The balcony scene isn’t looking too good. It doesn’t work to be placed between Grievous speaking with Palpatine and the nightmare, because Anakin and Padme already should have a rift between them by this point. Which means the only place it can really go in this edit is right after they have their conversation about her being pregnant. However, the transition into the scene is a little awkward since we transition from them to them. And the transition out of the scene is very awkward since there’s no nightmare to dramatically fade/octopus-wipe to.
If it weren’t for the necessary restructuring to meet LOE’s goals, and the basic structure were intact, I would agree with you guys about including it.

That being said, it seems I could at least borrow some of their chuckling to include over another scene, ala NFBisms. What do you guys say to including the necklace scene in Episode I, knowing full well that it never shows up again? (Anyone want to try rotoscoping it around Portman’s neck in the Boleyn footage?)

Here’s the balcony scene to prove I’m not making things up:
https://vimeo.com/250727175
password: jump

To be fair, the payoff of the necklace in the microseries would make it worth it for me. It’s also nice to show that Anakin has some sort of crush on her, which is totally believable.

Kentucky?

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

That’s the point for Poe, that he can now see when a suicide mission is a suicide mission instead of just an opportunity for heroism. The point for Finn is he doesn’t care if it’s a suicide mission or not, as long as he saves the Resistance. The point for Finn isn’t affected by Rose saving him either, because the intention is what matters here.

But my interpretation of the scene is that, had Rose not saved Finn, he would’ve killed himself and succeeded in destroying the weapon and therefore saving everyone/buying them more than enough time. If this was the case, then Rose was very selfish by saving him.

The situation in the end works for every character except for Rose.

Rose is just following through on Poe’s assessment. You could just as easily give that moment to Poe, their intentions are the exact same (and it’s not a selfish act, Rose didn’t “stop him,” she “saved him, dummy”). The reason it’s given to Rose is because that’s her role in the film, the angel on Finn’s shoulder guiding him toward the good. She taught him to become a member of the Resistance, which he follows through on, but he still has more to learn. This is just her next lesson.

Again, it’s obvious the filmmakers’ wanted you to be on Rose’s side here. It’s not something that I thought was an issue when I saw the film, but if you misinterpreted that then I guess they needed to make the pointlessness of Finn’s potential sacrifice clearer.

Their intentions are not the same because Poe was trying to save the most amount of people by calling off the attack.

Rose decided that saving Finn was more important than the rest of the Resistance.

What you’re saying doesn’t make any sense.

Poe: call off the attack, save everyone in the skimmers, let the ram blow open the door
Rose: save Finn (the only skimmer not yet falling back), let the ram blow open the door

The intentions are exactly the same. Poe explicitly orders Finn to fall back. Rose just forces him to.

Rose spells it all out, what’s important in winning the war is saving people.

I can see your point, and it does make sense. But I think that the circumstances are different enough to make their intentions different.

Poe had a plan to try to save everyone. Then he saw that his plan would not only fail in doing so, but it would definitely get all those who were involved in it killed.

He called off the attack hoping that they could still find a way to destroy the weapon and live to fight another day, and in doing so, saving the most amount of lives he possibly could.

Finn then found a way, but it would cost him his life. However, since he’s now willing to give himself to the cause, that’s not a problem anymore. And when he was almost there, about to succeed and save everyone, Rose saved him, spelling certain death to all the rebels that Finn would’ve saved.

The thing is, Finn didn’t “find a way,” he was just following through on the original plan (only with certain death involved). Poe knew exactly what he was doing and told him to stop.

I don’t think that was the original plan, I think they were just desperate and decided to take action. Maybe they thought the guns were operational or something.

But I don’t think anyone would go for a kamikaze mission with only 30 rebels left. So because of this, I think Finn’s sacrifice was his idea and not the original plan, and that’s why I’m not a fan of Rose stopping him from ultimately fulfilling his arc. Argh if this was Episode IX it would’ve been perfect!

Oh my, I loved the first one!

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

That’s the point for Poe, that he can now see when a suicide mission is a suicide mission instead of just an opportunity for heroism. The point for Finn is he doesn’t care if it’s a suicide mission or not, as long as he saves the Resistance. The point for Finn isn’t affected by Rose saving him either, because the intention is what matters here.

But my interpretation of the scene is that, had Rose not saved Finn, he would’ve killed himself and succeeded in destroying the weapon and therefore saving everyone/buying them more than enough time. If this was the case, then Rose was very selfish by saving him.

The situation in the end works for every character except for Rose.

Rose is just following through on Poe’s assessment. You could just as easily give that moment to Poe, their intentions are the exact same (and it’s not a selfish act, Rose didn’t “stop him,” she “saved him, dummy”). The reason it’s given to Rose is because that’s her role in the film, the angel on Finn’s shoulder guiding him toward the good. She taught him to become a member of the Resistance, which he follows through on, but he still has more to learn. This is just her next lesson.

Again, it’s obvious the filmmakers’ wanted you to be on Rose’s side here. It’s not something that I thought was an issue when I saw the film, but if you misinterpreted that then I guess they needed to make the pointlessness of Finn’s potential sacrifice clearer.

Their intentions are not the same because Poe was trying to save the most amount of people by calling off the attack.

Rose decided that saving Finn was more important than the rest of the Resistance.

What you’re saying doesn’t make any sense.

Poe: call off the attack, save everyone in the skimmers, let the ram blow open the door
Rose: save Finn (the only skimmer not yet falling back), let the ram blow open the door

The intentions are exactly the same. Poe explicitly orders Finn to fall back. Rose just forces him to.

Rose spells it all out, what’s important in winning the war is saving people.

I can see your point, and it does make sense. But I think that the circumstances are different enough to make their intentions different.

Poe had a plan to try to save everyone. Then he saw that his plan would not only fail in doing so, but it would definitely get all those who were involved in it killed.

He called off the attack hoping that they could still find a way to destroy the weapon and live to fight another day, and in doing so, saving the most amount of lives he possibly could.

Finn then found a way, but it would cost him his life. However, since he’s now willing to give himself to the cause, that’s not a problem anymore. And when he was almost there, about to succeed and save everyone, Rose saved him, spelling certain death to all the rebels that Finn would’ve saved.

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

That’s the point for Poe, that he can now see when a suicide mission is a suicide mission instead of just an opportunity for heroism. The point for Finn is he doesn’t care if it’s a suicide mission or not, as long as he saves the Resistance. The point for Finn isn’t affected by Rose saving him either, because the intention is what matters here.

But my interpretation of the scene is that, had Rose not saved Finn, he would’ve killed himself and succeeded in destroying the weapon and therefore saving everyone/buying them more than enough time. If this was the case, then Rose was very selfish by saving him.

The situation in the end works for every character except for Rose.

Rose is just following through on Poe’s assessment. You could just as easily give that moment to Poe, their intentions are the exact same (and it’s not a selfish act, Rose didn’t “stop him,” she “saved him, dummy”). The reason it’s given to Rose is because that’s her role in the film, the angel on Finn’s shoulder guiding him toward the good. She taught him to become a member of the Resistance, which he follows through on, but he still has more to learn. This is just her next lesson.

Again, it’s obvious the filmmakers’ wanted you to be on Rose’s side here. It’s not something that I thought was an issue when I saw the film, but if you misinterpreted that then I guess they needed to make the pointlessness of Finn’s potential sacrifice clearer.

Their intentions are not the same because Poe was trying to save the most amount of people by calling off the attack.

Rose decided that saving Finn was more important than the rest of the Resistance.

That’s the point for Poe, that he can now see when a suicide mission is a suicide mission instead of just an opportunity for heroism. The point for Finn is he doesn’t care if it’s a suicide mission or not, as long as he saves the Resistance. The point for Finn isn’t affected by Rose saving him either, because the intention is what matters here.

But my interpretation of the scene is that, had Rose not saved Finn, he would’ve killed himself and succeeded in destroying the weapon and therefore saving everyone/buying them more than enough time. If this was the case, then Rose was very selfish by saving him.

The situation in the end works for every character except for Rose.

DominicCobb said:

ExNihilo said:

DominicCobb said:

Even if Finn makes it, in a melted skimmer I can’t see how that’d do much.

And I meant there are other ways to blow open that big ass door, I’m sure.

It looked like just peripheries like the guns. Fuselage was intact just prior to Rose’s interception.
They are practically at the mouth of the cannon. I have trouble buying he wasn’t going to make it or he wasn’t going to do much damage.

I guess this really does come down to individual perception. I just didn’t see it the same way you did.

Well obviously the reaction says they could have made this clearer, as many people have misinterpreted the scene. I took it, when Poe called it off as a “suicide mission,” that it wasn’t worth it, and that’s all I needed to know and the rest could easily be assumed without being stated outright.

I feel like you shouldn’t act as if you’re 100% right and everyone else is wrong. What if you’re the one that misinterpreted it? (I’m not saying that’s the case here)

Great to have you back Ady, hoping for your full recovery in the next few days.

See, lots of those points are valid points. But lots of them aren’t. And if I have to do mental gymnastics in order to like the movie, then there’s something wrong. I’m sorry, I don’t believe Luke Skywalker would even on instinct ignite his lightsaber to a child that has been corrupted. Hell, in the movie he says no one’s ever truly gone. And he called Kylo Ben, so I think he believes there’s good inside Ben. And there clearly is, TFA made it pretty clear, and I don’t think TLJ took all of it from him, which is another reason why I find it hard to believe that he would be more corrupt than Vader.

About Rey facing her greatest fears… eh I guess that on paper it would be an interesting conflict within her but we have a cave scene for the sake of having a dark side cave, ending up in a somewhat shallow scene. Then we have the reveal scene and puff, no one even mentions that struggle and she seems fine with it. So I don’t believe from what I’ve seen and what was said in the movie that Rey is a character that faced any struggles that would make you really relate to her.

I like the ideas behind Kylo, but at the same time that I think TLJ made him much more interesting, it made him much more boring. I don’t know how to explain really. Maybe I should rewatch the movie, after all it has been almost a month and there’s a lot to process.

I like Rose, except for when she saves Finn, and I really liked Finn and Poe with Holdo and Leia in the movie.

NeverarGreat said:

I bet the difference of opinion that people have over Rose saving Finn largely comes down to whether they believe that there was a chance of Finn disabling the gun.

Those who viewed it as a sacrifice with a chance of disabling the weapon probably have issues with Rose. Those that viewed it as a pointless attack with no chance of disabling the weapon are probably okay with Rose, since she prevented a senseless waste of life.

I’m torn on it. I don’t think it’s well communicated that his attack would have no effect, only that it’s a suicide mission.

I believe he would’ve disabled the weapon, and that Poe only called off the attack because there was no chance to make it out alive. But that wasn’t Finn’s plan. He was willing and was fully committed to dying in order to save everyone. Only…