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#1152985
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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joefavs said:

Poe still gave the order, though. Even if it was supposed to be a kamikaze run, the plan was off by that point.

It wasn’t supposed to be a kamikaze run. Finn was the one who decided to go for a kamikaze run against Poe’s orders (after Poe ordered the retreat), so that he could save everyone. But Rose stopped that, theoretically dooming all of the rebels except for her and Finn.

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#1152984
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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TV’s Frink said:

Ryan said:

chyron8472 said:

Ryan said:

lovelikewinter said:

Ryan said:

One thing I didn’t like was you have Return of the Jedi. And then a couple of movies later you have The Last Jedi with apparently Luke being the last Jedi. It kind of makes the “Return” rather pointless.

Return of the Jedi= Vader turning back to the light.

It can be both. But Luke does become a Jedi inbetween Empire and Jedi.

No he doesn’t.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUB6Un9TR7o&t=46s

“Not yet. One thing remains…”

Well, then Luke becomes a Jedi at the end of the movie? Fits even better with Return of the Jedi being Luke becomes a “new” Jedi since 30+ years prior.

What?

I think it was a period instead of a question mark on his reply.

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#1152972
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General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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Ok, I’ll start with the original. Thanks guys.

The only reason I even considered R1 is because I think that R1 nowadays is an easier movie to watch than the original, especially in this case with a girl as protagonist (since I’d be showing it to my girlfriend; and more girls in general in the movie). However, I have noted in previous viewings that it doesn’t have “introductory qualities” like the original has, so it doesn’t function as well as the introduction to the SW saga to someone new. Plus it’s so different from all the others that the first time viewer might find some recurring things in the rest of the saga odd.

Again, thanks guys.

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#1152968
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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joefavs said:

Porkins4real said:

flametitan said:

This isn’t a criticism of the film, but kind of a Fridge moment for me: How does Finn know how to pilot a sandskimmer? (Vaguely; he forgets to engage a certain stabilization thing but seems to have no issues after that) Wasn’t the whole reason he teamed up with Poe in TFA because he didn’t know how to pilot aircraft? I don’t think it has to do with being unfamiliar with a TIE and familiar with the sandskimmer. After all, Star wars seems to imply that piloting experience is a transferable skill; piloting one ship means you’re good at piloting them all. Nevermind that the Sandskimmer seems like it’s supposed to be a vehicle that was outdated before Finn was born, so he’d likely never be trained to pilot one.

Very true. Frankly, I was more confused but what the plan was. They had no weapons that could be of any effect, so was it a Kamakazi run? If so then Rose is a total douche for letting everyone but her and Fin die before deciding it was a bad idea.

How is that on Rose? It was Poe who called off the attack. Finn ignored the order and Rose went after him.

I think he’s talking about how she prevented Finn from suiciding therefore dooming all the other rebels except for her and Finn.

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#1152891
Topic
Rate 'The Last Jedi' (NO SPOILERS) (was: Rate TFA (NO SPOILERS))
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TV’s Frink said:

Collipso said:

TFA Han Solo was some fanfic writing material.

Hard disagree. One of the best parts of TFA.

Lemme guess - ROTJ Han Solo would never become TFA Han Solo?

Nah, just the aspect that they could’ve done whatever they wanted with him and they decided that we’d have ANH Han Solo again, and that particular thing felt like it was product of fan fiction. It’s extremely minor however, and these character moments that I’m referring to barely last a minute, so it doesn’t really matter and it’s not nearly enough to bother me.

In short, I was joking, and don’t actually think that.

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#1152808
Topic
If you need to C*mplain about the CGI Grand Moff Tarkin in <em>Rogue One</em>... this is the place
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Well, had no one told me, I wouldn’t have noticed he’s CGI at all. I was mind blown while watching the movie about how they had found an actor that looks so much like Peter Cushing. I wouldn’t have noticed Leia either, but it was easier to believe that she’s CGI than that Tarkin’s CGI for me.

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#1152701
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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chyron8472 said:

Collipso said:

Matt.F said:

Nitpick, complain, whine, whinge… throw toys out of the pram! However you want to word it, there’s an awful lot of it going on.

It comes down to people complaining that there is a bad thing in the Sequel Trilogy, and you hold up the mirror and say well look, that same bad thing happened in the Original Trilogy.

Nitpick would be like “why are the bombs dropping if there’s no gravity”.

But there is gravity. They are near a planet. Objects in orbit of planets still experience gravity. That’s why they orbit. Also, saying “no gravity” assumes there is no artificial gravity on the lower part of the ship that gives way to inertia once the bombs leave it; or that the bombs aren’t being ejected by some mechanism.

I was just giving an example of a nitpick. It’s not a complaint I have against the movie.

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#1152676
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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Matt.F said:

Nitpick, complain, whine, whinge… throw toys out of the pram! However you want to word it, there’s an awful lot of it going on.

It comes down to people complaining that there is a bad thing in the Sequel Trilogy, and you hold up the mirror and say well look, that same bad thing happened in the Original Trilogy.

Nitpick would be like “why are the bombs dropping if there’s no gravity”. The complaint about Luke’s characterization is not a nitpick at all.

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#1152438
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

yhwx said:

DrDre said:

yhwx said:

DrDre said:

NFBisms said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

Literally the whole point of Luke showing up and making a scene is inspiring hope across the galaxy.

“The Rebellion is reborn today.”

The Resistance won’t be able to fit on the Falcon for long. This is made pretty clear in the film.

Yeah, but that all depends how the FO will rule the galaxy. It’s not two major organisations backed by various systems like in the OT. In ANH many systems were rebellung against the Empire, because it was oppressing the galaxy. Now it’s hundreds of thousands of troops versus fifty people. If the FO are smart, there won’t be a Resistance ever.

Luke didn’t just inspire little kids with brooms. He inspired everyone who sympathizes with the Resistance’s plight, including, as is implied, their allies in the Outer Rim.

Sympathy that will only last if the FO are an oppressive force. The Resistance have no allies. Their socalled allies in the outer rim didn’t answer.

If the FO set up a benevolent form of government, the Resistance will never rise again, and quickly fade into obscurity. That is as decisive a victory as victories can be. It’s completely up to the FO to drop the ball.

Not technically wrong about how the FO can win, but that’s probably not how it’s going to go lol.

They’re probably going to continue being an evil empire.

I suspect they will. 😃

If the FO continues to act as it does, then some sort of rebellion will win. All oppressive regimes eventually end. Oppression works in the short term but it will eventually lose.

I agree, but it’s an odd way to end the second part of a trilogy. It closely mirrors the end of the PT, where the bad guys win, and the good guys are decimated, and retreat in hopes to fight again one day, which may be decades away.

Isn’t that kind of how ESB ends? I mean, sure, the Resistance in TLJ is in far worse shape than the Rebellion ever was, but as Dom said, they still have the spark that could light the fire — the legend of Luke.

So is IX going to be ANH x2? Because Galaxy-wise, the ending of TLJ was pretty similar to the end of RotS with the promise of a new hope, which could also be phrased “the spark that will light the fire”. There will likely be a time gap between TLJ and IX. So we’re going to have the galactical situation of ANH x2. Is that right?

I think you’re making the mistake of assuming things that ought not be assumed.

I shall not assume them anymore.

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#1152427
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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yhwx said:

DrDre said:

yhwx said:

DrDre said:

NFBisms said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

Literally the whole point of Luke showing up and making a scene is inspiring hope across the galaxy.

“The Rebellion is reborn today.”

The Resistance won’t be able to fit on the Falcon for long. This is made pretty clear in the film.

Yeah, but that all depends how the FO will rule the galaxy. It’s not two major organisations backed by various systems like in the OT. In ANH many systems were rebellung against the Empire, because it was oppressing the galaxy. Now it’s hundreds of thousands of troops versus fifty people. If the FO are smart, there won’t be a Resistance ever.

Luke didn’t just inspire little kids with brooms. He inspired everyone who sympathizes with the Resistance’s plight, including, as is implied, their allies in the Outer Rim.

Sympathy that will only last if the FO are an oppressive force. The Resistance have no allies. Their socalled allies in the outer rim didn’t answer.

If the FO set up a benevolent form of government, the Resistance will never rise again, and quickly fade into obscurity. That is as decisive a victory as victories can be. It’s completely up to the FO to drop the ball.

Not technically wrong about how the FO can win, but that’s probably not how it’s going to go lol.

They’re probably going to continue being an evil empire.

I suspect they will. 😃

If the FO continues to act as it does, then some sort of rebellion will win. All oppressive regimes eventually end. Oppression works in the short term but it will eventually lose.

I agree, but it’s an odd way to end the second part of a trilogy. It closely mirrors the end of the PT, where the bad guys win, and the good guys are decimated, and retreat in hopes to fight again one day, which may be decades away.

Isn’t that kind of how ESB ends? I mean, sure, the Resistance in TLJ is in far worse shape than the Rebellion ever was, but as Dom said, they still have the spark that could light the fire — the legend of Luke.

So is IX going to be ANH x2? Because Galaxy-wise, the ending of TLJ was pretty similar to the end of RotS with the promise of a new hope, which could also be phrased “the spark that will light the fire”. There will likely be a time gap between TLJ and IX. So we’re going to have the galactical situation of ANH x2. Is that right?

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#1152424
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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yhwx said:

Collipso said:

yhwx said:

Collipso said:

yhwx said:

Collipso said:

  • Kylo Ren dies/is turned (probably dies not to be called RotJ rehash).

I think there’s more for the case that Ben dies than what you said. He’s already had a couple of shots at redemption but refused them both.

I thought that ship had sailed when he killed Snoke and denied Rey’s request.

That’s what I said.

I’m sorry for the redundancy then.

Sorry; just a little grumpy.

Nah don’t worry, I was just stupid

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#1152421
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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yhwx said:

Collipso said:

yhwx said:

Collipso said:

  • Kylo Ren dies/is turned (probably dies not to be called RotJ rehash).

I think there’s more for the case that Ben dies than what you said. He’s already had a couple of shots at redemption but refused them both.

I thought that ship had sailed when he killed Snoke and denied Rey’s request.

That’s what I said.

I’m sorry for the redundancy then.