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#313107
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Since adywan is soon taking a very well deserved break after all the amazing work he's done, perhaps this isn't the best time to suggest changes, but I caught one watching ESB the other day and couldn't help myself. It's kinda anal, but a lot of other changes have been too, so please bare with me.

In the first scene with The Empire, Vader walks up to Piett and Ozzel. As he walks by, the camera zooms down on the pits below, where crew men look up at Vader in fear as he passes them.

One of them is an officer, the problem is that he is wearing the wrong rank insignia. 3 red squares, with 3 blue squares under and only one rank cylinder: that is the badge of a navy captain. The problem is that Piett was the captain of the Executor at this time.

Apparantly, decipher names a him a Lt. Commander, which presents a solution: Just give him two additional cylinders (those pen shaped things in their pockets), one at the right and one at the left. He's only on screen for like a couple of seconds, so hopefully it won't be too hard to do.
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#312873
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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Originally posted by: adywan
The badge problem is due to the 2004 DVD transfer. It is really washed out in that one too. I tried boosting the orange colour but it looked a mess so i left the colour for the badge alone. As you can see here some of the colour is missing on the badge on the 2004 DVD so there was not a lot i could do about it. The saturation wasn't touched for the badge and remains the same as it is in the 2004 DVD. It just shows what a mess the colouring of the official DVD was. And you've just got to love the guy's purple uniform in the official DVD.


Those badges are sort of a pet peeve of mine, but this is very anal of me and I don't expect anyone else to care about this. But I've recently grown very annoyed with the rank badge system in ANH. It seems totally random with a confusing mix of red, blue and yellow squares. Tarkin is the only one that seems to have a somewhat proper insignia.

Fast forward to The Empire Strikes Back: a new and much more logical system has now been concieved. If one is familiar with how the insignias work, it is then very simple to look at Piett and know that he is a captain (at the beginning) becaue he has a rank badge with 6 rank squares and 1 rank cylinder. Veers is also easily distincgushed a major general, Ozzel as a fleet admiral, etc. My personal fantasy would be to replace the ANH badges with ESB style ones, because those in ANH are confusing and kind of look more like toys (can't explain it, just a feeling). At least, if there is any sort of exact system to the ANh rank badge system, I'm not seeing it. Unfortuantely I came in way to late to this thread to suggest this. But as I say, I doubt many people acre or even notice this minor thing anyway. I guess it's just the neurotic in me speaking
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#312087
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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In my opinion, improving the duel between Vader ans Obi-Wan was neccessary. not just something fun. The gap between that duel and the great one between Luke and Vader in ESB was just too big. Vader went from looking like a hack swirling a stick to a rather impressive swordsman in just one film. Adywan's edit erases that problem. So I think this partícular change was more than just a fun thing to se.

Of course, there are other things in the dit that are more for fun. Like the buiser batte of Yavin that you mentioned, as well as the extended Death Star introduction.
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#311578
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I'm glad to hear that you've already made the changes, Adywan, thanks for listening. I'm also glad your leaving Kenobi's dialogue alone. I'm constantly dumbfounded how many people want to make drastic changes to the OT so it's more in line with the PT. The PT is the fucked up trilogy, not the OT. If drastic changes are going to be made to the story, they should be made to the PT so it flows more evenly with the OT.

Changing "the" to "a" it not a drastic change. It's just one word.

But I know what you mean otherwise. When possible, the PT should be altered instead of the OT. Of course, in this case changing TPM instead will mean one hell of a lot more of work for adywan than just changing one word. But if he's cool with that, I'm fine either way.

Wow, I never thought someone else though about that, I always thought that Obi-Wan should have been a knight/master at the start of TPM and Qui-Gon either be a friend he went to Naboo with or ran into at the temple and make the story of Obi-wan in the PT flow more accurately with what he says in RoTJ: "when I first knew him he was already a great pilot.....I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi" if we picture this line disregarding the PT, it would appear that Obi-wan met a young hot-shot pilot (18 or 20 years old) in one of his adventures and and was impressed with Anakin's ability and Force attunement, and he "took it upon himself" to train him disregarding what Yoda said, which in turn makes him more like Qui-Gon in certain ways. If we follow this train of thought the rebelious "hot shot" attitude of *that* Anakin would make him more suitable to the phrase "Vader was seduced by the dark side" as in Anakin would exhibit rebelious and adventure-seeking behavior and be seduced by the promise of more power. This scenario makes it difficult for Padme to appear as well as other things in the current PT, but makes the whole saga flow as a whole, without white lies and racionalizations.


Anakin couldn't have been 18-20, because Luke was roughtly that age in ESB according to Yoda, and Yoda called him "too old to begin the training". That means that even in the OT, Jedi were envisoned to start their traning at a fearly young age. Probably no older than 15 at the very least.

Lucas's first story ideas for The Phantom Menace included Obi-Wan finding Anakin on Tatooine. Qui-Gon was a Jedi friend that Obi-Wan met later at Coruscant. Lucas apparantly disregarded this plot idea because he didn't want the young Anakin to se Obi-Wan as a father figure, since they are more like brothers. Qui-Gon then stepped in to become Anakin's "father" for a brief period.

Even though I like the idea of Qui-Gon finding Anakin, I must say that I would prefer if Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan were friends in TPM rather than Master/Padawan. It could be sort of like Obi-Wan and Anakin's friendship in ROTS.

But ady has a lot of work to do if he wants to do this. All refernces to Obi-Wan being a padawan, getting knighted by Yoda, every single time he calls Qui-Gon "master" (which is a lot) needs to be edited out of the movie for this idea to work. But I must admit it is very interesting.

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#311499
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Alright , alright. I concede defeat. I se I'm outnumbered here. I guess it doesn't matter too much anyway.

This whole thing really only hit me when I was having a star wars marathon with a few casual star wars fans (meaning those that don't browse star wars boards like us). When that scene came up and Obi-Wan said this line, they just laughed a little and said "uh... no".

But I guess this edit is mostly for die hard fans who care enough to post on this board, so then it doesn't matter, I guess.

Edit: Just for clarity, Sevb32, maybe it's because english is not my native languish, but if you had said "the english teacher" I would have assumed that it was your only english teacher in high school. But again, maybe that's just me.
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#311441
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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"The jedi master" Suggests that Yoda was the only person who taught him. That would be a lie, regardless of Qui-Gon being dead.

"A Jedi" suggests that Yoda was one of the Jedi that taught him.

It's such an easy thing to fix. Which IMO it should. It's not like I'm gonna lose sleep over it, but Obi-Wan tells enough white lies to Luke in ANH. No need to add more.

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#311422
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Obi-Wan says to Luke "there you will learn from Yoda, the Jedi master who instructed me"

I light of the PT, this sounds kinda weird. Qui-Gon was his main master, and in any case Obi-Wan was trained by several Jedi not just one as this statement suggests.

A suggestion has been made to change this to: "there you will learn from Yoda, a Jedi master who instructed me". I must say that I agree. It sounds like a simple way to solve a plot error with ease.
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#311223
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Apparantly Ian gained some weight mainly between AotC and ROTS. And it doesn't really matter that he looks different in ROTS. We don't se him again for nearly 25 years. The ESB hologram is problematic though. Some work can be done on it, but I imagine that getting to look like he does in ROTJ is very difficult. That's why I mentioned that he could be "hidden" with only parts of his face visible. I'm no fx artist by any means, but it sounds like that would be less work for ady (forgive me if this is an incorrect statement) and would also work to give it scary feel and mysterious feel as well as to preserve the "face reveal" to ROTJ. Of course in light with the PT, it would be more of a re-introduction. But that works fine too IMO.

Lucas changed some things way before 97, like Beru's voice and apparantly some other things as well I've heard. It would have been nice if he re-did the hologram already back in 1983 so that he could have looked exactly the same. But nothing can be done about that now anyway. Just a bit of a shame, is all.
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#311219
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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I could go either way on that. It does sound like a cool idea to se Coruscant (as long as Palpatine is shown from the back only) and would tie it with the PT more. As long as it also doesn't have too much of a ROTS feel to it, it could really work in the context of the movie.

On the other hand, I feel a bit apprehensive about showing Palpatine in the flesh before ROTJ. I'm so used to the gradual revelation: mentioned in ANH, seen as a hologram in ESB, and finally revealed in person in ROTJ. But maybe I'm just being nostalgic and should look more objectively on this? Very possibly.
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#310830
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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One last thing. There will be no PT music added to ESB.


Agreed, ady.

But what about the Emperor's Theme from ROTJ? I think a subtle rendition would be just perfect for the hologram scene, give it an eerie (sp?) feel. It's kinda smiliar to the subtle musical backdrop to the conference scene in ANH that you added.
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#310813
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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I'm glad that scene never made it, it just sounds like the Emperors receptionist is screening his calls, and it really belittles Vader's importance if he's ranked lower than the grand vizier. besides in the movie it is the emperor that requests Vader to make contact.

I would agree, if it wasn't for the mention of the Emperor's foul mood. It sounds like excellent build-up to his eventual appearance.

As it stands now, when Piett says the Emperor requests contact, instead of going "alright, we get to se the foul mooded Emperor than can scare freaking Darth Vader! This is gonna be sweet!" they are instead more likely to just say "there's an Emperor?". At least that's how I reacted.

Besides, I don't think it implies Vader to be below Pestage. More like equals, just as Lucas said on the ANH commentary.

But I guess this dicussion is kinda pointless since it will never be in ady's edit, it couldn't be. So I'll stop now.

can the AT-AT's walk throught them or does the shield just not reach all the way to the ground?


I think the At-AT's can walk through the sheild, sort of like the federation battle droids. But I'm not sure, so don't quote me on that,
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#310732
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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also, just to get it out of my system, if/when you get round to doing ROTJ, would there be any way of putting Mas Amedda (that blue guy from the prequels) just skulking around with the emperors advisers. it would make a nice link with the old/new. theres a robot chicken sketch with him, an advisor and palpatine in the chancellors office and it looks so right seeing them all together!


I love that sketch, it's really funny! The only thing that bugged me was that they were hanging out in the chancellor's office. Like Palpatine wouldn't have taken the 20 years to build a really impressive throne room instead, one that would make the one on the second death star look tiny. But since its a spoof, I guess it doesn't matter.

I like the idea of adding Mas Amedda too, if done right. But no advisors in the hologram, its a private chat and would look wierd.

I also don't think the Jedi ghosts should be added. I understand tieing it to the PT but I think you also has to consider those that chose to watch it in production order. And then they would be very confused. Anyway, this is a bit off-topic since this is the ESB thread so maybe we should postpone that part of the discussion?

You mention Vader being prepped by an advisor before his chat with the Emperor. That was Sate Pestage and it was a deleted scene from the movie. I would really like to se that but even if they filmed it, adywan would probably not have access to it. Its sealed away at Skywalker ranch or something like that.

Anyway, this is the scene I think you're talking about:

286 INT VADER'S STAR DESTROYER - VADER'S CHAMBER 286

Darth Vader stands before a shimmering holographic
image which slowly comes into focus. The image is
that of SATE PESTAGE, Grand Vizier to His Eminence,
Emperor.

VADER
Sate Pestage, I would see the
Emperor. He commands it.

PESTAGE
I must warn you, Lord Vader,
The Emperor is in a foul mood.
He bids you wait. Have you any
progress to report?

VADER
The rebel base on Hoth has been
destroyed. I am tracking down
the survivors.

PESTAGE
The Emperor will be with you in
time.

VADER
I wait at his convenience.


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#310611
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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I say cut the sequence of Vader arriving at the Executor altogether. But if not, at least remove Jerjerrod from the scene (but don't replace him with Piett- he is busy at the bridge where Vader walks up to him later on).

The only part of this new sequence that I think should be kept is the brief shot of Vader's shuttle flying towards the Executor. That's only one that (IMO) doesn't disrupt the pacing of the Falcon's escape from Cloud City.


Edit: ady, I agree with you that the music is near perfect in this movie, but I wanted to run anothr suggestion by you (and the other users here). In 1980, the Emperor's theme had yet to be writen. I think it would be great if a subtle, slow and sinister Emperor's theme (sort of like the one playing when they walk through the hangar bay in ROTJ) could be added to the Vader-Emperor conversation. I think that would make it more unsettling and tie it ROTJ.

What do you guys think?
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#310576
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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I agree with you ady, that only darkening the hologram wouldn't be enough since he is simply too different from his ROTJ version.

But zombie84 has a good point: the hologram is too brightly lit and shows too much. It takes away the air of mystery and makes it less scary.

Perhaps what the Emperor needs is to have the hologram considerably darkened AND the remaining facial features made to look more like return of the jedi?


When it comes to oscuring him, something like this is what I had in mind:

http://www.skywlkr.net/idc/expansions/downloads/wotc/card%20images/emperor%20palpatine%20d.jpg

What do you think?
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#310482
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In my opinion, Boba's old voice is much more badass and should be restored. If you want it to make sense, storywise, just imagine that he has a voice-altering device under the helmet.

Remember how different Leia sounded when she was disguised as a bounty hunter in Return of the Jedi? That's how much a device can alter one's voice.


I like that you will try to make the Emperor hologram look closer to how he looked in ROTJ, but I still maintain that the best and simplest thing to do is simply to darken the hologram so that most of his face is not visable.

Think of the scene in ROTJ when Palpatine lands in the hangar bay. As he and Vader walks and talks, only his mouth, chin and the lower part of his left cheek is visible. That's how I think it should be in ESB as well.


I also think you should try and increase the distance between the Slave I and the Falcon while Boba Fett is tailing them; he is flying way too close.

I'm really exaciting about this project, ady. If it's even half as good as the ANH edit, it's gonna be great.
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#309387
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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After finally finding a break in my schedule to watch this, I am literally blown away. What you've done with this edit is nothing short of fantastic. Never has the picture quality been so amazing, nevr has the images been so alive and sparkling with color. I'm also very happy that you undid many of the saturation problems with the 2004 DVDs (such as pink screens). I don't know if its my imagination or if you actually chnaged this but Darth Vader looks much cooler in your edit. In some scenes, his helmet is so awesomely shiny that it feels like watching ESB. The duel between Obi-Wan and Darth Vader made by jaw drop. That is one extrordinary editing job!! I don't understand how one person could do such an azaming job, but kudos to you for this! I could have sworn that you had sped up the duel, until I came on hear and read that you didn't. The only thing I'm not sure about is Obi-Wan ignatiting his saber first.

I also was especially impressed by the hyperspace effect in the Falcon, the new Death Star introduction, and especially the improvements to the battle of Yavin. Many people have expressed dislike for it, but I heavily disagree. It now feels more like a real battle, and not so small scale. Plus, when red group reports in you can hear pilots like red 7, red 9, or red 11. We never saw how they die, but this new edit helps explain it. Great work, and must have been very difficult I can imagine.

I'm also impressed with the sound. I don't know how you did it, but many of the characters voices sounds much less 70s and muffled. It really makes a the film a lot less dated. Well done! I'm unsure about Beru's voice though. It does sound more natural, like it's actually her speaking, but I can se why Lucas dubbed her: she just isn't that good an actress. I think she rushes through her lines with too little emotion inflicted. But everyone will feel different on this one, and I really am fine with the new voice since it has the plus of sounding more genuine.

Of course I don't agree with everything. The imperial march, if put into ANH, should be a bit more low-key and subtle instead of the fullblown ESB theme. And the scene in Ben's hut really didn't need to be altered (although it was pretty cool to get an alternate take). But these are minor concerns. You have really showed Lucas and his minions how it should be done. And you did by yourself. There are still things that I would like done, like change Vader's IMO oudated voice and score a new music for the Obi-Wan-Vader duel, but that is completely out of your control. It would require Jones to re-score his lines and for Williams to write a new piece.

Finally, I just want to say congratulations. You've made the best version of ANH there ever was.
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#308886
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Info &amp; Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
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You're right that his face was pretty clearly shown in the orginal ESB, albeit a bit darker than the present version as the abobe poster mentioned.

But there is definately a gradual reveal going on in Return of the Jedi. Since the two Emperors orginally looked vastly different (the first one being an old woman with monkey eyes I believe) that wasn't a problem back in 83. But now his scene in Empire ruins his introduction in Jedi. Therefore, the hologram should shroud his face more than it does now.
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#308842
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Info &amp; Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
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Unlike ANH, I don't think these movies require as much work. Aside from fixing the most jarring fx shots and the lightsabers, as well as to remove the worst Special Edition aditions, there really isn't much that needs to be done.

Personally, I would darken the Emperor's hologram A LOT in ESB. The Emperor's face is gradually revealed in ROTJ; it starts out entirely in shadow when he first arrives and we don't get a close-up until Luke arrives. In a way, we se Palpatine at the same time as Luke does.

This gradual reveal is IMO ruined by clearly showing his face fully in ESB. In light of the PT, it could be called a gradual re-introduction. Either way, the Emperor hologram should be changed to be more mysterious.