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It does look fairly convincing. It looks like a real beard, it just doesnāt look as uniform as Ewanās beard.
Ewan also could have had some other project scheduled between the end of principal photography and the eventual reshoots months later.
Just seems weird that he wouldnāt just keep the beard/plan to grow it back out in time.
His beard in the movie isnāt even that long.
Glad I grew up (21) with AotC on VHS and I couldnāt tell that the beard was fake in some shots.
Then again it looks fine to me even now, since the the beard and the fake beard alternate so much, even within a scene. Itās less jarring than if he, say, had the real one for first half the movie then had the fake one for the second half.
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Hmmā¦ well, I just canāt trust a faceless account.
Youāre weird.
And now the shoe is in the other house.
iāve always wondered- why does Ewan have a fake beard in the re-shoots? Why did he shave if he knew they were coming back?
Because he didnāt know they were coming back?
That seems unlikely.
Iām sorry I tried having a conversation with you. Iāll try again at a later date.
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Iām not trying to be rude or anything, iām just asking what the equivalent of the ROTS Vader/Padme crosscutting is in ROTK.
Youāre the one who brought up LOTR in relation to my comment about crosscuttingā¦
Though I do not have a transcript of their probably private conversation, the Extended ROTK and ROTS endings have a very similar feel and flow, unless youāve never seen the former, Iām sure others here know what Iām talking about.
I have seen the extended ROTK, and iām not sure what youāre talking about. What is the equivalent of the ROTS Padme/Vader crosscutting in ROTK?
Both movies do a multiple ending/wrap up sequences thing, but thatās different.
And TPM beat Jackson to the punch as far as multipronged climaxes go.
Because during the filming of the LOTR Trilogy Peter Jackson specifically discussed conversations he had about ideas with George Lucas? I could be wrong, wouldnāt be the first time.
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I just mean that my editing example was very specific, and we donāt know what Jackson and Lucas talked about.
but Lucas did interesting (IMO) things in the PT such as intercutting Vaderās ābirthā with > Padmeās death that Red Tails didnāt do.)
Iām guessing this idea came from the discussion he had with Peter Jackson during the LOTR filming.
What makes you think that?
No way to know, it seems.
But we can guess based on the sharp decline in quality in many of the green screen sequences. Itās the same in the PT, to a lesser degree. Whenever AOTC cuts to a green-screen re-shoot, the performance takes a nose dive.
I mean, why would you guess against the video evidence of Hemingway directing green screen cockpit footage?
Also, iāve always wondered- why does Ewan have a fake beard in the re-shoots? Why did he shave if he knew they were coming back?
No way to know, it seems.
The IMDB claims Lucas directed reshoots, as Hemingway was busy on another project by that time.
Maybe he did, but Hemingway directed cockpit footage too, as per my above youtube link.
āRed Tailsā was the best film Lucas had made for some time but itās still got those Prequel problems. I suspect Lucas used the same modus operandi, shoot the movie, see what you got and then re-shoot 50% of it against a green screen. The difference is that unlike the prequels, there was a decent Director and solid cast for principle photography.
I disagree, I think the PT is much better than Red Tails.
At the very least it was better in terms of musical Score, cinematography (Tattersall>Aronson), and editing (Burtt did both, but Lucas did interesting (IMO) things in the PT such as intercutting Vaderās ābirthā with Padmeās death that Red Tails didnāt do.)
Iād bet Lucas did all that cockpit stuff on a green screen himself afterwards (Just my theory), as Hemingway is a proven talent with actors. He Directed half of āThe People v. O. J. Simpsonā which was one of the best Directed/Acted TV shows of recent years IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EioYvZ_jaAc
I see Hemingway directing the cockpit footage. (1:25).
Lucas is in the background in other shots, but heās not telling the actors what to do. Hemingway is.
Unwatchable
Nah, just very outmoded and bland.
Still better than the CW superhero shows that I watch/used to watch before I gave up on them.
I just watched Red Tails, and WOW. I like the Prequels and even I thought it was an almost total flatline. It wasnāt even outright bad per se, just very very bland, and felt like it was missing someā¦ key ingredient.
I mean, where to start. Even the editing. The delivery of lines. The lines themselves.
Red Tails to me is how most of you here see the PT, I imagine.
Itās funny because I noticed/liked the opening text/color of the text in relation to the other colors on screen and it reminded me of the title card/credits of the documentary George did on Coppolaās movie The Rain People. (I think it was Rain People).
Iād say one of the biggest things that dragged the movie down was the constant cockpit dialogue.
The acting was good/fine outside of those.
Is Ben Burtt a bad editor? Is Anthony Hemingway a bad director? Is John Ridley a bad writer?
How much did GL shoot himself? Do we know specifics?
What does our dear leader Frink think of John Kasich?
Except that the SE color timing is supposedly part of Lucasā original creative vision. Magenta Leia and all.
Has he said original or just that thatās how he wants them to look?
Rey was able to do a mind trick without even seeing it done or being trained regarding it, but she did experience Kylo reading her thoughts, so she isnāt entirely unfamiliar with the idea of manipulating with someoneās mind.
This is the thing that bugs me, and itās because of the execution - we donāt see her thought process at all. I came to this conclusion as well, but I shouldnāt have to mentally edit the film for them.
It seemed pretty obvious to me.
Iām gonna second Mocata and say that I thought the mind trick scene seemed very āout of universeā. Like a āremember this??ā.
The in-story reasoning was non-existent.
Iād rather not repeat arguments Iāve had here ad naseum, but Iāll say thereās only one egregious use of abilities from Rey, and thatās the mind trick. Using the force in the duel is easily explained. Mazās words were specifically that the force has always been there in her and if she closes her eyes she can feel it.
But then again you called Maz āorange Yodaā so I donāt know why Iām bothering.
I mean, they make a point to one up Yoda by saying sheās not 900 years old, no, sheās 1000 years old.
And sheās a little knee high thing, and sheās wise.Oh sorry, didnāt realize that made them the exact same character. By that logic, at least 50% of all SW characters are rehashes of each other.
What is a joke?
Obviously she is not literally "Yoda, but orange."
BUT, she is used as a plot device for the for a similar purpose. She tells Rey about the force. And as I said, sheās about as old as Yoda, she is also dimunitive, and she is also wise.Again, I donāt know why I bothered. Joke or not, youāre still making a lame and really strained comparison. Just to poke one whole in, how is Yoda not āObi-Wan, but small and greenā?
Because my comparison was about both appearance and characteristics.
I can see thereās no helping you.
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Iād rather not repeat arguments Iāve had here ad naseum
I will just point out theyāre wrong
From a certain point of view.
Sure, one that lacks empathy or context or understanding, but sure.
I disagree with your assessment.
Iād rather not repeat arguments Iāve had here ad naseum, but Iāll say thereās only one egregious use of abilities from Rey, and thatās the mind trick. Using the force in the duel is easily explained. Mazās words were specifically that the force has always been there in her and if she closes her eyes she can feel it.
But then again you called Maz āorange Yodaā so I donāt know why Iām bothering.
I mean, they make a point to one up Yoda by saying sheās not 900 years old, no, sheās 1000 years old.
And sheās a little knee high thing, and sheās wise.Oh sorry, didnāt realize that made them the exact same character. By that logic, at least 50% of all SW characters are rehashes of each other.
What is a joke?
Obviously she is not literally "Yoda, but orange."
BUT, she is used as a plot device for the for a similar purpose. She tells Rey about the force. And as I said, sheās about as old as Yoda, she is also dimunitive, and she is also wise.Again, I donāt know why I bothered. Joke or not, youāre still making a lame and really strained comparison. Just to poke one whole in, how is Yoda not āObi-Wan, but small and greenā?
Because my comparison was about both appearance and characteristics.
Iād rather not repeat arguments Iāve had here ad naseum
I will just point out theyāre wrong
From a certain point of view.
In an odd bit of coincidence, just saw this article posted today:
http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/04/25/for-the-last-time-rey-is-not-a-mary-sueHavenāt read it yet but with a headline like that, must be good.
That article isnāt very convincing, as it tries to make a false equivalence with Lukeās much less one man journey in ANH.
Iād rather not repeat arguments Iāve had here ad naseum, but Iāll say thereās only one egregious use of abilities from Rey, and thatās the mind trick. Using the force in the duel is easily explained. Mazās words were specifically that the force has always been there in her and if she closes her eyes she can feel it.
But then again you called Maz āorange Yodaā so I donāt know why Iām bothering.
I mean, they make a point to one up Yoda by saying sheās not 900 years old, no, sheās 1000 years old.
And sheās a little knee high thing, and sheās wise.Oh sorry, didnāt realize that made them the exact same character. By that logic, at least 50% of all SW characters are rehashes of each other.
What is a joke?
Obviously she is not literally "Yoda, but orange."
BUT, she is used as a plot device for the for a similar purpose. She tells Rey about the force. And as I said, sheās about as old as Yoda, she is also dimunitive, and she is also wise.
Iād rather not repeat arguments Iāve had here ad naseum, but Iāll say thereās only one egregious use of abilities from Rey, and thatās the mind trick. Using the force in the duel is easily explained. Mazās words were specifically that the force has always been there in her and if she closes her eyes she can feel it.
But then again you called Maz āorange Yodaā so I donāt know why Iām bothering.
I mean, they make a point to one up Yoda by saying sheās not 900 years old, no, sheās 1000 years old.
And sheās a little knee high thing, and sheās wise.
Haha donāt think Iāve ever seen that done before in this conversation. Good job? I guess?
I wish the debate would die. With the Mary Sue thing, I feel like Iāve said this waaay too many times, but the thing is that with the term there are misogynistic implications. Hypothetically that kind of criticism could be thrown against characters of any gender, but they rarely do. When people specifically mention her gender when talking about how implausible her abilities are, thatās when the unfortunate implications become clear.
Ultimately, the term is just downright lazy. If people actually had well reasoned and thought out arguments about Reyās characterization and how it affected the story/drama, Iād be more willing to engage with them. But if theyāre just going to skip to name calling, thatās where Iāll brush them aside. If youāre just going to regurgitate something someone else has said on the internet, thereās no point in wasting my time.
Mary Sue in this instance is usually less āI have an issue with womenā and more āshorthand for the numerous times she does things without earning them, perhaps in comparison to Lukeā.
For instance, Luke had to see Kenobi do a mind trick- Rey somehow just knows the technique. Luke had Kenobi tell him to use the force in the trench run- Rey just gets a power-up in the forest by closing her eyes and remembering the force- both Luke and Rey had people tell the them about the force earlier in the movie (Kenobi and orange Yoda), but only Rey somehow just remembered the sageās words and levelād up.
etc.