I really have no time for you
The contradictions in Georges storytelling between the OT & PT are well known,…I’m not going to retell them to you,…watch th films with a critical eye
J
Sure, but the issue you are harping on is not a contradiction in any way.
Yep,…but he hadn’t figured it out yet so he crammed it in along with the Plagus thing
J
And now you’ve moved the goalposts.
You said he forgot. I provided proof that he didn’t.same thing
j
Not even close. I proved your original claim objectively wrong. We’re done here.
The point is George crammed it in,…whether he forgot or thought he had plenty of time to explain the vanishing trick…he ran out of time & tried to tie up heaps of loose ends in his final episode,…contradicting himself all over the place…now if you want to draw out my ‘forgot’ statement as though Geordie had some master plan,…we all know he didn’t…he makes it up as he goes
j
???
I literally just proved to you that he
I’d say the ROTS resolution is perfectly reasonable. Really can’t see an angle where Yoda’s talk with Kenobi about Qui-Gon is unclear or contradictory.
Yep,…but he hadn’t figured it out yet so he crammed it in along with the Plagus thing
J
And now you’ve moved the goalposts.
You said he forgot. I provided proof that he didn’t.same thing
j
Not even close. I proved your original claim objectively wrong. We’re done here.
Yep,…but he hadn’t figured it out yet so he crammed it in along with the Plagus thing
J
And now you’ve moved the goalposts.
You said he forgot. I provided proof that he didn’t.
There is a scene in ROTS with Yoda and Obi on the Tantive, which explains this very thing. Yoda, Kenobi, Qui-Gon and Anakin are the only Jedi so far in to come back in ghost form, not all of them.
Well since two of those four disappeared and the other two didn’t, I fail to see how a scene in ROTS explains anything.
Qui-Gon is the first guy to figure it out though.
He “learned the path to immortality, and returned from the netherworld of the force”. He learned to manifest sometime after death, not before. So no disappearing.As for Vader in ROTJ they either goofed, or Anakin had to learn from the rest of them after he died, since he likely never learned it in life, unlike Yoda and Obi-Wan who learned it from Qui-Gon.
Palpatine stole the technique from his master & promised to teach Anakin in ROTS,…to save Padme…Luring Anakin to the Dark Side (daft I know)…Palps continued to teach Vader,…but unfortunately a Sith can’t live on through the Force when he dies,…only a Jedi…(a bit like Heaven…sinners are bad),…but Vader redeemed himself at the end,…Luke incinerated his body & the spirit of Anakin lives on with the Force (daft I know).
Qui Gon died & was cremated at the end of TPM,…George totally forgot about this plot hole so he crammed in that Qui-Gon has been studying this technique but had not completely mastered it,…but after his body was torched,…he lived on through the Force…& came back as a spirit to Yoda & told him the special trick,…so Yoda told Obi-Wan to give Qui Gon’s spirit a shout while he was being a hermit on Tattooine so that he could to the live on through the Force thing…(daft I know)
J
So what you’re saying is that George forgot but he didn’t forget?
Yep totally forgot until the last episode (3)…better explain that disappearing thing
…crammed it in
have you watched the films?
J
2 things.
First, Qui-Gon can be heard in AotC as a force ghost, meaning it was on George’s mind.
Second, this article from 1999, http://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/star-wars-archive-george-lucas-1999-interview/ says the following…
INTERVIEWER: In A New Hope, R2-D2 and C-3PO land on Tatooine and haven’t got a clue where they are. Yet in The Phantom Menace, R2 travels to Tatooine and C-3PO was built there. How so?
LUCAS: How so? That will all be coming up. (laughs) There’s a lot of little things that’ll be cleared up. The other one that gets asked a lot is why doesn’t Qui-Gon disappear like everybody else. That’s a plot point that centres around Obi-Wan saying to Vader/Anakin in the first one, “If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.” There is an issue about The Force and that will be revealed.
So as you can see, it (the ROTS resolution) was on his mind from the beginning (1999).
There is a scene in ROTS with Yoda and Obi on the Tantive, which explains this very thing. Yoda, Kenobi, Qui-Gon and Anakin are the only Jedi so far in to come back in ghost form, not all of them.
Well since two of those four disappeared and the other two didn’t, I fail to see how a scene in ROTS explains anything.
Qui-Gon is the first guy to figure it out though.
He “learned the path to immortality, and returned from the netherworld of the force”. He learned to manifest sometime after death, not before. So no disappearing.As for Vader in ROTJ they either goofed, or Anakin had to learn from the rest of them after he died, since he likely never learned it in life, unlike Yoda and Obi-Wan who learned it from Qui-Gon.
Palpatine stole the technique from his master & promised to teach Anakin in ROTS,…to save Padme…Luring Anakin to the Dark Side (daft I know)…Palps continued to teach Vader,…but unfortunately a Sith can’t live on through the Force when he dies,…only a Jedi…(a bit like Heaven…sinners are bad),…but Vader redeemed himself at the end,…Luke incinerated his body & the spirit of Anakin lives on with the Force (daft I know).
Qui Gon died & was cremated at the end of TPM,…George totally forgot about this plot hole so he crammed in that Qui-Gon has been studying this technique but had not completely mastered it,…but after his body was torched,…he lived on through the Force…& came back as a spirit to Yoda & told him the special trick,…so Yoda told Obi-Wan to give Qui Gon’s spirit a shout while he was being a hermit on Tattooine so that he could to the live on through the Force thing…(daft I know)
J
So what you’re saying is that George forgot but he didn’t forget?
double post
My headcanon for Owen not remembering 3-PO is that
- The odds are so astronomical that 3-PO would show up at his doorstep 20 years later in a Jawa sandcrawler that he doesn’t even consider that it could be a droid he once owned
- most protocol droids sound similar (TC-14 sounds prissy too).
- 3-PO is a different color to when he owned him
- He doesn’t even have the droid for any period of time before he before dies (as in, maybe he would have remembered eventually).
Point 1 is the big one though.
Not for anything, but 3PO also never tells Owen his name, and is in a completely different state of repair compared to the protocol droid he had over 20 years ago. The more worthwhile argument to have is why Obi-Wan doesn’t recognize R2, or why R2 doesn’t recognize Yoda or Dagobah after it’s been established (in the canon Clone Wars show) that they travelled there together.
There’s nothing to indicate Obi-Wan not remembering R2.
I got no answer for the Yoda thing though.
TCW plays fast and loose with continuity in general. I still think Ahsoka doesn’t really gel with ROTS.
EDIT: I saw your edit but i’ll just leave this here in case people want to jump in.
Duderte is an American hero.
That still leaves plenty of time for them to talk before the next day. If someone suddenly shows up and endangers the massive web of lies you’ve been feeding your nephew all these years, you get them out of the picture as soon as possible. Dead droids tell no tales.
Not that I believe Lucas intended back in the '70’s that the droids had ever been to Tatooine before in the first place. 😉
“Massive web of lies”.
Part of that web is tangled by the fact that as of 1977, Vader and Anakin were different people. (as in, the story was always in flux).
And i’m not saying Lucas intended it in 1977. I’m saying it fits a bit better (while still not being airtight) than people think.
Owen doesn’t remember 3-PO until Luke says that 3-PO mentioned Obi-Wan. At that point Owen tells Luke to have its memory wiped.
That brings it down to “minor contrivance” level at the very worst.
If a droid mentioning Obi Wan by name doesn’t jog his memory, nothing else will. I’m surprised he didn’t sneak down to the garage, and yank their batteries out. 😉
Of course Obi Wan doesn’t recognize the droids either, or is playing dumb.
Well as far as 3-PO saying Obi-Wan, I assumed that Owen just doesn’t want Luke hanging around Obi-Wan.
Also doesn’t he tell Luke to have their memories wiped?
“That’ll be the end of it. They belong to us now”.
That points to the fact that yes, 3-PO saying Obi Wan jogged his memory, BUT what he decided to do about it was just hit reset on the droids.
And nothing confirms that Obi Wan doesn’t remember R2.
My headcanon for Owen not remembering 3-PO is that
Point 1 is the big one though.
Where do they stand legally? Can I buy one on Amazon?
The only reason you would ever need a VPN is if you are a consistent heavy downloader of illegal content. I’m talking HEAVY downloading. If your just occasionally downloading a few fan edits then I can assure you that you won’t get any flak from your ISP or whatever.
I still can’t get past the nightmares of getting throw into jail. Do I just need a BitTorrent client for the downloads? Do I need MySpleen for the DE?
In any case, where would I get a VPN? You know, hypothetically?
Opera internet browser has a FREE built in VPN.
Ok fine, it’s still amazingly tortured, or at least amazingly retconned. Even if your solution makes sense, there’s nothing in the films to indicate that Lucas had any intention of that being the reason the four deaths happened the way they did. You’re just making assumptions, and even if there’s nothing in the films that contradicts your theory, there’s also nothing in the films that supports your theory.
The obvious reason is because Lazy Lucas, was Lazy.
Eh, I disagree. I think that’s the type of thing his OCD gets stuck on, and that he wants to make consistent.
He has talked about not caring so much about things like 3-PO having seen Owen before in comparison to things involving what he considers relevant to the themes of the saga.
double post
You are the one confusing it.
Yoda states that Qui-Gon learned the path back AFTER he diedSimple stuff.
Isn’t it a little too late to learn to the path to immortality after you’ve already died?
Apparently not in this fantasy setting, as Yoda says earlier in ROTS that the dead “transform into the force”.
Not any more out there than Gandalf getting sent back by Eru(?) if you ask me.
You are the one confusing it.
Yoda states that Qui-Gon learned the path back AFTER he died and he taught Yoda, who teaches Obi-Wan.
Yoda and Obi knew the secret before they died, and they disappeared.
Qui-Gon and Anakin didn’t know how to come back before they died, and so they didn’t disappear.
Simple stuff.
There is a scene in ROTS with Yoda and Obi on the Tantive, which explains this very thing. Yoda, Kenobi, Qui-Gon and Anakin are the only Jedi so far in to come back in ghost form, not all of them.
Well since two of those four disappeared and the other two didn’t, I fail to see how a scene in ROTS explains anything.
Qui-Gon is the first guy to figure it out though.
He “learned the path to immortality, and returned from the netherworld of the force”. He learned to manifest sometime after death, not before. So no disappearing.
As for Vader in ROTJ they either goofed, or Anakin had to learn from the rest of them after he died, since he likely never learned it in life, unlike Yoda and Obi-Wan who learned it from Qui-Gon.
Roland Blumpf is a big meanie.
Me and Fo cleared things up, so that’s all fine.
pls no
SilverWook said:
Can we all get back to discussing mediocre Lucas side projects now? Still waiting for those experimental films he’s been talking about for four decades now. 😉
I’m of the opinion that he’s actually made them. He said once that he was only going to show them to his friends.
They’re probably things like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqFOUioAz6k
(one of the best things Lucas has done IMO)
Also anakin comes back as a ghost but Vader doesn’t disappear when he dies.
Because George forgot to watch his old movies before writing the newer ones.
But Yoda disappears when he dies in the very same movie.
You guys have an irrational hatred.
Because George forgot to watch his old movies before writing the newer ones.
No?
Qui-Gon was the one who discovered (possibly re-discovered) the pathway to life after death, as per ROTS.
Lol.
Haha.