Chewtobacca

TheBoost said:

The plot of TPM hinges on that the blockade by the Federation is banal (something to do with taxes... it really doesn't matter) and that it's a front for something sinister.

The dude in the video pulls five minutes out of rambling about 'space trade' and how he doesn't understand something that is ultimately not even a part of the plot.

I fail to see how the reason for the Trade Federation blockading the planet does not form part of the plot.  It's the whole reason for the Trade Federation to be there - whatever the Trade Federation is.   I think most of Redlettermedia's criticisms are indeed spot on, and while I agree that the humor is questionable, I feel his criticisms need a more convincing response than "it doesn't matter."

Bingowings said:

Which is why I suggested someone taking notes and turning his and other detractors observations into a more universally palatable manifesto of what doesn't work which fan editors and cinema buffs can refer to without letting the presentation style get in the way.

I agree that a document outlining the problems with TMP would extremely useful.

RickWJ324 said:

That's a lot of gigs to download multiple times. 

Tell me about it!  The audio is still slightly out for RTOJ anyway, even with the audio fix.  Maybe WG will make a BD-25 of this at some point with fully corected audio.  We can only hope!

I couldn't complete the download of ROTJ either.  I tried three times.

I assume, RickWJ324, that you decoded the incomplete blocks?  It often helps.  There's nothing else I can suggest. 

Ewokgroomer's ROTJ looks rather good, and I believe the quality loss is small.  I know it's not quite what you wanted, but frankly I don't believe the BD-50 size is necessary.  I only tried to download it as there was no BD-25, and Adywan's AVCHD will be a while yet (WG's BD-25 of ROTS looks great though).  I would encourage you to give Ewokgroomer's release a go.  It's much smaller and won't take long to download, and if you're not happy, you can keep trying to find WG's, and you've lost nothing. :-)

Absolutely :-)

Darth Editous said:

 

The only issue might be your TV, but I would imagine you won't have any problems.

 

That's what I thought, but someone over at doom9 told me we are still in the ridiculous situation of TVs made for the European market being able to take NTSC input, but most American TVs won't take PAL. YMMV.

DE

Really?  Gosh!  I thought there had been progress on this issue in the American market over the last couple of years.   I'm amazed to hear the situation is still as bad as it ever was.  Crazy!  Thanks for the update. :-)

vaderios said:

i ll try not posting here drunk :P

Thats why i make mockups. 1 mockup: 100000000000 words, 5 secs to take a snapshot, 20 mins in photoshop. A good comment: priceless

Your mockups are astoundingly cool, vaderios.  You have such good ideas for ESB: Revisited. 

Spoiler!

I did see the new Family Guy spoof.  One moment that tickled me was the stormtrooper's response when Boba Fett tells him to put Captain Solo in the cargo hold. "Duh!"  I had never thought about that before.  I suppose it would be heresy to suggest cutting that line in ESB:R, especially as poor Boba doesn't have much of a speaking role anyway; but I'll suggest it anyway.  Cut! Cut! Cut!  :-)

Obi-Wan said:

Sorry, I didn't want to sound rude in any way.

You didn't as far as I am concerned.  :-)  I hope you have better luck with what I last sent you.  PM me whenever you like if you have problems, and I'll try to help. 

asterisk8 said:

Chewtobacca said:

Sorry if I snapped a bit, but bad grammar tends to irk me.

Keep in mind that English is not the first language of everyone on the internet. :)

That's actually pretty obvious, and I don't need a reminder, thanks.  What was posted above was unintelligible.  It seems to have been resolved now, so it doesn't really matter; but I can write in more than one language myself.  It doesn't take fluency in a langauge to consult one of many online dictionaries to check your spelling or realize that you have written a word twice.  I'm doubly careful when I post in another language, and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect people to take a basic level of care. 

vaderios said:

I know, i rock sometimes :P

Well when Vader chokes needa and he falls/kneels down the camera focus changes. Because the timing of the focus changing and the fall of needa is so close it looks like Needa bends the floor. I suggest it to ady to fix it as an error but at the end its just an awkward camera effect :)

Ah!  I understand now. :-)  I suppose the camera focus changes in ESB will have to remain then. 

Sorry if I snapped a bit, but bad grammar tends to irk me.  I should have put in a smiley really.  I wish this forum had emoticons: they are really useful.

Darth Editous said:

 

I was equally eager when I was hunting down the PAL DVD-9.  The NTSC was made from the PAL, so the PAL has better picture quality.  I would imagine Obi-Wan has similar reasons.

 

PAL is inherently better quality in any case - 20% more pixels and no pulldown.

DE

Yes; I know.  ;-) 

Monroville said:

Is there any way to play PAL movies on a PS3?  I know it still has the issue of region codes too, but just asking...

I can't imagine US PS3s wouldn't be able to play PAL.  The only issue might be your TV, but I would imagine you won't have any problems. 

Regon codes are usually only put on commercial releases.  I cannot imagine that Adywan put them on his releases - it's almost unthinkable - so you should be able to play the PAL ANH:R.

zee944 said:

Isn't the GOUT faithful to the original? Or at least the most consistent? Is there any better version (official or non-official) than that? I haven't seen Adywan's work, but even if looks good, it may not be accurate.

At the present state, I think the fixed GOUT should be used as a reference and guide, unless someone can name a better source, which can be presumed "original" as far as colours goes.

This is of course a reasonable approach,and I respect your view, but as the GOUT was never restored prior to release, the fact that it is the best we have shouldn't stop people from experimenting to see what works and employing common sense.  True accuracy is just a dream, so I'll take a release with sensible color correction that looks good.   I'm not saying one shouldn't look at the limited material we have for inspiration, but I don't care much for the idea of presuming one source to be original.  It's a waste of time, in my opinion. 

I frankly have no idea what your second and third "sentences" mean.

Moth3r said:

Out of interest, why are you so eager to get the PAL version? The NTSC disc has the same content and should work on the majority of PAL players.

I was equally eager when I was hunting down the PAL DVD-9.  The NTSC was made from the PAL, so the PAL has better picture quality.  I would imagine Obi-Wan has similar reasons. 

Darth Editous said:

This happens a few times during Empire Strikes Back.  The picture seems to stretch.

That's down to the camera focus changing. You don't see it in every film so I assume it's down to the kind of lens/aperture being used - you can see it in Goldeneye when they're demonstrating the helicopter.

I'm not sure from a quick look at the clip whether it can be completely fixed - I suspect some part of the picture will always be stretching relative to the rest.

DE

Thank you for your information, DE.  In fact, it happens a great deal in Goldeneye!  I find it quite irritating.  I wonder if Ady will attempt to fix it; if so, I shall try to find the other moments it happens. 

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJD6fUC7VxY&feature=related

 

Is anything being done about what looks like a slight change in aspect ratio?  I'm not saying it's just in the clip; it's in the original film.  It occurs just after 3PO says, "The chances of ... blah-blah-blah", and it cuts to Chewie howling.  It's at about 2:06 on the clip. 

This happens a few times during Empire Strikes Back.  The picture seems to stretch.

I apologize if this has been mentioned before, but I meant to mention this happening at another point, so I thought I'd bring it up here, as it affects this clip too.

It really should fit on a DVD-9.  The file size should be approximately 7.5 GB.  My AVCHD of Episode V is 7.87 GB. 

Sometimes downloads come in the form of an archive within an archive: I've no idea why.  I would just burn the ISO and play it on your blu-ray player or PS3.  Playing on a PC isn't ideal in most cases. 

I had problems downloading WG's releases too.  I think they need to be re-uploaded. 

FYI:  A poster has uploaded Ewokgroomer's BD-50 > DVD-9 conversions of Wookie Groomer's original trilogy releases on the newsgroup.  These are quite recent posts and appear to be working.  I am downloading the ROTJ conversion now, as it is always handy to have a copy you can burn for people.

People having a problem downloading WG's releases might consider these.  I'll post an update, when my download has finished, and try to comment on what the quality is like after the re-encoding.

edit --  ROTJ downloaded fine.  The audio is AC-3 5.1.  The par2 files are in a separate NZB.

No; both III and VI look better.  Special treatment was given to II because it has a hard time looking good.  It was filmed in soft focus to hide the actors' ages, but in spite of the extra effort, the blu-ray doesn't look much better than the upscaled PAL Director's Cut DVD. 

I am curious as to which parts are meant to have a tint to them. 

EDIT: If the images from DVD Beaver are anything to go by, the blue tint appears to be on the blu-ray release.  I actually prefer the colors on the director's cut DVD. 

PMs sent to TV's Frink and xytan4. 

zee944 said:

First we need a full, stand-alone, consistent print with the right colours of the original movies; this is what g-force will finish sometime. After that somebody should start working on the HD version, using as much scenes from the HD version of the Special Edition as possible color corrected to g-force's work, and taking the altered scenes from that, too.

I don't think there will ever be a print with the colors of the original films.  Even the original negatives will have faded by now, so even work on them involves conjecture.  Adywan's colors, whether conjectural or not, are good enough for most people, I would imagine.  If somebody can do that kind of color correction and scene restoration now, I don't see the need to wait for G-force to make his final version to make a theatrical restoration.

Moth3r said:
http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=6810

Thank you so much, Moth3r! I looked and looked, but didn't think of looking in off topic.  It seems rather on topic to me!  ;-)

TV's Frink said:

Mielr said:

 

OCP did that with his 'classic' editions. Unfortunately, the OOT segments were from laserdisc (as they were done before the GOUT DVDs were released) and they have some other flaws, but they're still fairly decent, IMO. But right now my favorite editions are the ones dark_jedi made using G-force's scripts.

 

I actually found OCP's OOT segments extremely distracting, which is what eventually led me to dark_jedi's versions.

Thank you both for the information.  I saw dark_jedi's versions, and they were good; but this latest offering from G-force really is great.  I have never seen the original trilogy looking so good.  A number of people who stopped by while I was watching it commented on how good it looked, without being aware of the problems with the official discs or realizing that it was a fan-made restoration. 

I know it took Adywan a great deal of work to remove the ronto for his ANH:R, but if this can be done it must be possible to restore the theatrical version somehow. 

Incidentally, I know what GOUT means, but what on Earth does OOT mean?  The original trilogy part is obvious, but as there is no handy list of initialisms round here, some of them have been puzzling me. :-)

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xytan4 said:

Could some one please upload Ep V to rapidshare, I can't find it.

PM sent.

You really need to post these comments in the ANH:Revisited thread, if that is what you are referring to. 

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/STAR-WARS-EP-IV-2004-REVISITED-ADYWAN-DVD-9-VERSIONS-NOW-AVAILABLE/topic/5942/

Ziz said:

Well, I'm getting there.  Downloaded it again from a torrent and burned with IMGBurn.  This time it plays but it has the sound sync problem that others have mentioned.

Next?

You might consider asking with a little more courtesy.  People are usually happy to help you, but simply writing the word next with a question mark could come across as rather abrupt.

The answer to your question is that you will have to re-encode the AVCHD.  There are instructions on how to do it if you look back through the thread.  I uploaded the corrected AVCHD a while ago, but I couldn't keep it in my account for all that long, and I don't have the upload speed to post it again.

I seem to remember that the procedure was:

1. Load the AVCHD into tsmuxer and demux the audio.  Keep tsmuxer open.

2.  Use Besweet to convert the audio from 24 fps to 25fps.

3.  Load your new audio file into eac3to and convert from 25 fps to 23.976 fps

4. Import your new audio file into tsmuxer and check the option to convert the video (24000/1001).

5.  Check the AVCHD radio button and start muxing.

6.  Burn your new AVCHD with Imgburn - UDF 2.50.

I wrote this from memory, so you might one to check back through the thread if you run into trouble.

Stevodevo is quite correct that some Sony players appear to have the problem and others do not.  Either it depends on where they are manufactured or there is a difference in settings.  I would tend to suppose that it is the latter, and it might be helpful if people with these players could post their settings, but as I have a Pioneer I cannot help with this.

Good luck!